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Old 08-10-2022, 07:30 AM   #1
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Please,please help with transition to Vanguard brokerage questions

I got an email saying I need to transition to brokerage or I will incur fees. I have a mutual fund and a small inherited ira. I called them and I am more confused than ever, even after being transffered to an account specialist.

My questions after I transition are:
1. Will there be any fees going forward yearly or otherwise
2. Will there be a charge to take money out(I live on this money)
3. Will there be a charge for receiving my quarterly dividends(I live on this money)
4. Any charges on the inherited ira
5. Are there any charges period within the brokeage account.
6. Are there any tax implications when I transition to this brokage account
7. Can I keep my mutual fund

What else should I be aware of.
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I assume that this is Vanguard? If so, IME unless you trade a lot there are no fees or commissions.

I haven't heard anything about incurring fees if you keep the mutual fund account but from what you said that is what they wrote.

I'm frustrated with Vanguard's decaying customer service and am moving to other brokerages.... Schwab and Fidelity.
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1-5. I can't say with certainty there are no charges as there may be some special cases, but I haven't heard of anyone making the transition and start seeing new charges that they didn't see before.

6. Definitely No
7. Definitely Yes.

At tax time, you will get two sets of statements. One is for your account under the old account type up to the transition date, the other for the brokerage account after. Pretty sure the latter one comes later. So don't file your taxes until you get both statements.
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Being in a country and timezone far, far away I rarely call them but have found them to be very good at written responses so would send them a message from your account exactly as you have posted here and they should provide answers point by point.
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I have had a brokerage account for years with Vanguard. I have never paid a fee other than the normal expense ratios for the funds I hold. The transition to a brokerage account is very simple according to a friend of mine who just completed the change for the same reason you are stating. You must take your statements electronically to remain completely free. I also take money out and receive dividends-no charge.
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Please,please help with transition to Vanguard brokerage questions
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Please,please help with transition to Vanguard brokerage questions

$20 brokerage account fee, waived if your Vanguard assets exceed $1M, or if you sign up for e-delivery of all statements/documents.
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I have had a brokerage account for years with Vanguard. I have never paid a fee other than the normal expense ratios for the funds I hold. The transition to a brokerage account is very simple according to a friend of mine who just completed the change for the same reason you are stating. You must take your statements electronically to remain completely free. I also take money out and receive dividends-no charge.
Same. Although for some there are some features of the MF account platform that are preferred, for many the difference is minimal. I prefer the tax reporting for brokerage accounts.

VG will continue to de-feature the MF platform; it is a rational business move.
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I have seen some posts elsewhere about this topic recently.

Being extremely biased towards Fidelity, I suggest instead of simply moving to Vanguard brokerage account and having unanswered questions/concerns, you do a full account transfer to Fidelity, where they do not charge anything for the items you mention. I'm not sure if Fidelity would take the Vanguard mutual fund(s) you currently hold, but that's a simple question they could easily answer for you.

I believe there are many benefits which Fidelity offers over Vanguard and would provide a better level of service. If you live in/near any metro area, you likely have a Fidelity office near you, which you could visit if necessary to speak to someone in person, or to simply have a contact you would personally know.
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Thanx for all the help.
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Same. Although for some there are some features of the MF account platform that are preferred, for many the difference is minimal. I prefer the tax reporting for brokerage accounts.



VG will continue to de-feature the MF platform; it is a rational business move.
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I believe there are many benefits which Fidelity offers over Vanguard and would provide a better level of service. If you live in/near any metro area, you likely have a Fidelity office near you, which you could visit if necessary to speak to someone in person, or to simply have a contact you would personally know.
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Longtime Vanguard account holder here, but I would not recommend them over Fidelity to anyone wanting to set up a new brokerage account these days. IMHO, Vanguard's lack of support for 2FA authenticator apps and restricting ACATS transfers is reason enough to look elsewhere.
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I transitioned to a brokerage account a few years ago and it was pretty much a non-event: nothing changed for the Vanguard mutual funds I owned.

Since then, I decided to start using ETFs, with limit orders for purchases. You need a brokerage account to do that...
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The Vanguard rep I talked to earlier this week said Vanguard will start charging $20 per MF for non-brokerage accounts if you have less than a million dollars in MF accounts (brokerage accounts are excluded from this calculation).

Idk if this is true. I have one MF account that I havenít converted where Iíd be charged the fee, but I havenít heard anything from Vanguard yet. The Vanguard rep said the fees will happen later this year.
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Old 08-12-2022, 10:26 AM   #14
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I just received an email documenting the change in Vanguard. $20 annual fee *per* fund account

No mention of a waiver for selecting e-delivery of all statements/documents or for having $1M+ in fund assets.

Since we have never used a brokerage service nor expect to, I am not sure what we do here.

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Old 08-12-2022, 11:21 AM   #15
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I just received an email documenting the change in Vanguard. $20 annual fee *per* fund account

No mention of a waiver for selecting e-delivery of all statements/documents or for having $1M+ in fund assets.

Since we have never used a brokerage service nor expect to, I am not sure what we do here.

This becomes active after September 30, 2022.

I received the same e-mail this morning. I didnít see any references to an exception, but I would call Vanguard to see if youíre exempt.

The writing is on the wall though. Itís probably better to convert your accounts to brokerage, even if you only hold mutual funds.

I did this for all of my accounts except one. The ones that I did were easy. I was able to convert (transition) the accounts online. There is one account that I have to send in paperwork to convert, which Iíll probably do in the next few weeks.

Itís a bummer that I canít easily move this account to Fidelity instead, but Iíd have to liquidate the mutual fund first, which I donít want to do. Iíd prefer to convert the fund to ETF and then move to Fidelity, but if I do that, itís a two-step process.
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I just received an email documenting the change in Vanguard. $20 annual fee *per* fund account

No mention of a waiver for selecting e-delivery of all statements/documents or for having $1M+ in fund assets.

Since we have never used a brokerage service nor expect to, I am not sure what we do here.

This becomes active after September 30, 2022.

We haven't received the email, but see https://investor.vanguard.com/client...s/account-fees. Vanguard has two types of accounts: brokerage and mutual fund. The brokerage account charges an annual fee of $20 for the account. The mutual fund account will charge a fee of $20 for each fund.

It seems like both account types will waive fees if your "qualifying" (not sure if this is different from what it used to be) Vanguard assets exceed $1M. Also, the brokerage account fee (but not the mutual fund account fee) is waived if you sign up for e-delivery.
If/when we get the email, I'm not sure what we'll do either. One aspect of the mutual fund account I like is getting an annual statement which lists all activity for the year.
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I just received an email documenting the change in Vanguard. $20 annual fee *per* fund account

No mention of a waiver for selecting e-delivery of all statements/documents or for having $1M+ in fund assets.

Since we have never used a brokerage service nor expect to, I am not sure what we do here.

This becomes active after September 30, 2022.
I got the same notice, but my interpretation is that they will start charging a $20 fee if you do NOT switch to a brokerage account, so I did. It was painless.

P.S. You can always log on to your Vanguard account, pull up a history of all transactions for whatever time period you like and print it out if you want.
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I got the same notice, but my interpretation is that they will start charging a $20 fee if you do NOT switch to a brokerage account, so I did. It was painless.

The only WTF for me was getting multiple statements (tax) in the year in converted to brokerage.
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The transition went so smoothly for us I cannot even remember the steps we did .

Yes the dual tax reports were received for the year we converted. But since I use tax software all it meant was an additional 1099 data entry step, which took all of 47 seconds .

People mention Fidelity. It took a lot more to transition my Fidelity IRA MF account to an IRA brokerage account. I had to manually open a new account and call them to move all of the assets from the old account into the new account. Right now there does not seem to be an easy way to delete the old, empty, IRA account. I am sure if I called and pushed it could be done, but that is not something worth spend my time on at the moment .
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Old 08-12-2022, 02:04 PM   #20
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I switched several years ago, and my wife has never been notified, we have the same amount of accounts.


Or is this just taxable accounts?
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