View Poll Results: Pick the closest thing to what you do No Rebalancing 20 21.74% Outsourced Rebalancing 5 5.43% Calendar Rebalancing 18 19.57% Corridor Range Symmetric 15 16.30% Calendar & Corridor Symmetric 13 14.13% Corridor Range Asymmetric 1 1.09% Calendar & Corridor Asymmetric 2 2.17% Frequent Calendar Rebalancing 3 3.26% Frequent & Corridor Symmetric 1 1.09% Frequent & Corridor Asymmetric 1 1.09% Other constant mix technique 3 3.26% Other non-constant mix technique 10 10.87% Voters: 92. You may not vote on this poll

Poll: Rebalancing Technique
 05-26-2017, 10:56 AM #1 Moderator   Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,536 Poll: Rebalancing Technique Based on the posts I've read here, it seems that the typical rebalancing technique here is to get a target "constant mix" (ie 60/40) asset allocation. Just for fun, I wanted to see what people say they're doing on a slightly more detailed level. There have been discussions about "calendar" (i.e. once a year in January), and limit-based (whenever the allocation extends beyond a defined corridor). Let's define, for this poll, "frequent calendar" as more than twice a year. And symmetric means that the target is the center of a corridor, like +/- 5% as opposed to, say +8% and -2%. I think most people have symmetric bands, but I could see some people saying "I don't mind having a little more than my target of such and such asset class, but I can't sleep if I'm even a little below my target". And we can talk about what the percent represents, since variations of that is not in the poll. Let's define it as the percent of the target. So if you had \$1M and you had an AA target of 40% bonds with +/-5% bands, your \$ limits would be \$400K*1.05 and \$400K*0.95. If the market can do anything, and you still do nothing until your scheduled date, then you're calendar. But if the market can do something that causes you to take action, then you have something beyond a calendar-based trigger. Outsourced would probably be where you are not a part of the decision making process, for instance, if the investment you're in does it for you, whereas no rebalancing would mean you have no formal AA targets.
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 05-26-2017, 11:12 AM #2 Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)Give me a forum ...   Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sarasota, FL & Vermont Posts: 30,120 I characterize my rebalancing as "opportunistic". When I "feel" I should rebalance then I do... for example, when Brexit hit the drop in international equity prices caused me to be underweight in international... I viewed the drop as an overreaction and rebalanced. Similarly, I think the recent Trump run is a bit of an overreaction and have rebalanced a few times (I also have a wedding to pay for soon so that has been a factor as well). Normally, I would only rebalance once a year in December, but if I "feel" that the market is too exuberant or pessimistic then I'll also rebalance. It is probably nibbling at the edges in the whole scheme of things but is entertaining as well. __________________ If something cannot endure laughter.... it cannot endure. Patience is the art of concealing your impatience. Slow and steady wins the race. Retired Jan 2012 at age 56
 05-26-2017, 11:21 AM #3 Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)Give me a forum ...   Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: City Posts: 7,095 I use the "TLAR" approach. Once a year, when my wife and I are at our lake place between Xmas and New Years, we look at our allocation. Most of the time we say "That looks about right." and that's the end of it. Once in a while we'll make a trade. I don't know where that falls among your survey options. Advocates for fussy rebalancing, like the robot systems at Betterment and Wealthfront, only claim that frequent rebalancing is good for 0.5% and even that number is very statistically suspect because of the noisy data set we have. So I don't lose a lot of sleep over it. I think that managing a precise rebalancing system is a very good hobby for people, though, so I am not at all against it.
05-26-2017, 11:43 AM   #4
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 Originally Posted by pb4uski I characterize my rebalancing as "opportunistic". When I "feel" I should rebalance then I do...
That's sort-of my approach as well. Although right now, I'm an opportunistic non-rebalancer because I think bonds have more downside potential in the near term than stocks. But I agree the Trump run may or may not have legs. I just think the economy is pretty solid and the Fed will keep raising rates.

I don't have any bands and I follow no calendar or schedule. When I'm off the target AA and I think there's an opportunity by rebalancing, I do it.
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 05-26-2017, 12:04 PM #5 Full time employment: Posting here.   Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 926 We are trying to move to a larger percentage in cash and bonds as DW's retirement date approaches. So the plan was to have the AA move from 90/10 in 2014 (when I retired) to 60/40 in 2020 when she retires. So each year I rebalance to the nominal desired first of the year AA and try to guess at contributions to DW's TSP that will let us drift toward the desired AA for the next year. If there were to be a big drop in stock prices so that my bond/fixed income fraction was larger than what I wanted at the beginning of the coming year, I would first switch DW's contributions to all stock and then, if stocks continued to fall I might move some of the current fixed income holdings into stocks. So far, none of this has been necessary, the calendar year rebalancing has worked well enough.
 05-26-2017, 01:58 PM #6 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post   Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Bonita (San Diego) Posts: 1,786 Generally, I only look in January and July, but occasionally I look when there's a major market move (like this year). I rarely act until my calendar triggers, but I have before. I have yet to actually move old money as I am still accumulating and my annual contribution to savings is still roughly 10% of my total savings. Instead, I reallocate my contributions to bring me back in line with where I want to be. Recently, that's been increasing the amount going to relatively depressed international indexes vs. US indexes. This may be the last year I'm able to do that as our total savings is starting to exceed the amount we can correct by contributions alone. Which is nice. __________________ "So we beat to our own drummer in the sun; We ask for nobody's permission to run. I just wanna live in a world like that; Now I'm gonna live in a world like that!" - World Like That, O.A.R.
 05-26-2017, 02:06 PM #7 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post   Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Limerick Posts: 3,405 Since I buy and sell individual stocks, I consider the fundamentals of the company and tax consequences when I trade, so there is no set schedule. I do keep a large cash/CD stash (~40%) in case there is a major downturn in the market. I also have investment real estate.
 05-26-2017, 02:26 PM #8 Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)Give me a forum ...   Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rio Grande Valley Posts: 30,491 I listed calendar and corridor symmetric. But even in January, unless my portfolio is getting well out of whack, I don't usually bother or just trim or add to a couple of positions that are more out of whack than the rest. This reduces tax consequences. My portfolio is somewhat "self-rebalancing" in that I take distributions in cash, most of the funds pay out in December, and that usually covers my withdrawal, and since the funds that have appreciated the most usually are the ones that pay out the highest dists, they have already trimmed themselves for the most part. After 2008/2009 I widened my rebalancing bands such that it would take a pretty good bear market to trigger a rebalance. Until then it seems only minor January tweaks after withdrawal are needed. Some volatile asset classes, like REITs occasionally zoom way ahead or falls behind the others, so those get tended to whenever they go out of bounds. __________________ Retired since summer 1999.
 05-26-2017, 02:51 PM #9 Moderator Emeritus   Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Orleans Posts: 45,264 I chose calendar and corridor symmetric. (1) I always rebalance during the first week in January after withdrawing the year's spending money, unless I am already at my 45:55 AA. (2) Also, if my equity allocation is off by over 2.5% (that is, less than 42.5% or over 47.5%), I give myself the option of rebalancing at that time. This almost never happens in recent years, but was necessary several times in the past. __________________ Happily retired since 2009, at age 61.
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 Originally Posted by pb4uski I characterize my rebalancing as "opportunistic". When I "feel" I should rebalance then I do... for example, when Brexit hit the drop in international equity prices caused me to be underweight in international... I viewed the drop as an overreaction and rebalanced. Similarly, I think the recent Trump run is a bit of an overreaction and have rebalanced a few times (I also have a wedding to pay for soon so that has been a factor as well). Normally, I would only rebalance once a year in December, but if I "feel" that the market is too exuberant or pessimistic then I'll also rebalance. It is probably nibbling at the edges in the whole scheme of things but is entertaining as well.
I'm about the same. I thought that would be called "other non-constant mix" but I'm the only one who picked that, even though at least one other person said this. Maybe I picked the wrong category. Oh well, it's just an ER poll.

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 Originally Posted by OldShooter I use the "TLAR" approach.
That's about what I do too. (BTW "TLAR" is "That Looks About Right"). Right now I'm about 1.5% away from target AA high on stocks but that's probably not enough to bother rebalancing, but I'm thinking about it since the market is so abnormally high now. But what the hey, it might keep on going and then I'd miss out. What to do, what to do....

When it gets to 5% or more I'll definitely rebalance.
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 Originally Posted by W2R I chose calendar and corridor symmetric. (1) I always rebalance during the first week in January after withdrawing the year's spending money, unless I am already at my 45:55 AA. (2) Also, if my equity allocation is off by over 2.5% (that is, less than 42.5% or over 47.5%), I give myself the option of rebalancing at that time. This almost never happens in recent years, but was necessary several times in the past.
That's pretty close to what I do. I don't have hard and fast rules, but I tend to take my annual withdrawal in January and rebalance at that time. If the allocation gets out of wack by more than 3% I start looking at rebalancing and will rebalance if it hits 5%. The annual rebalance has worked fine for quite a while now. When I turn 70 and start SS on my account, I will no longer do an annual withdrawal, but I will need to do RMDs, so I will probably rebalance if needed at that time.

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 Originally Posted by Walt34 That's about what I do too. (BTW "TLAR" is "That Looks About Right"). ...
Actually, thinking about TLAR made me smile a little bit. I first heard the term while learning to fly gliders. When approaching to land a glider, you may not know the elevation of the field so the altimeter does you no good. So it is TLAR that is taught --- learn what a good approach looks like and fly that every time. This is pretty important because, unlike a power plane, there are no go-arounds in gliders.

So, TLAR is maybe a particularly good tool for establishing the glide path of a portfolio. No go-arounds with portfolios either! I didn't think of that when I made my original TLAR post.

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 Originally Posted by OldShooter Actually, thinking about TLAR made me smile a little bit. I first heard the term while learning to fly gliders. When approaching to land a glider, you may not know the elevation of the field so the altimeter does you no good. So it is TLAR that is taught --- learn what a good approach looks like and fly that every time. This is pretty important because, unlike a power plane, there are no go-arounds in gliders.
Long a fan of aviation books (I was reading those in elementary school), the first time I heard the term TLAR was that legend had it that the de Havilland Tiger Moth was preliminarily designed on the floor of a hangar in chalk using the "TLAR school of design". While I doubt that's true, it does make a good story.
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 Originally Posted by Dash man Since I buy and sell individual stocks, I consider the fundamentals of the company and tax consequences when I trade, so there is no set schedule. I do keep a large cash/CD stash (~40%) in case there is a major downturn in the market. I also have investment real estate.
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Except for the investment real estate, that's me.

I've been making new portfolio highs while just lately writing covered calls. A few I've let get called away. Others I've been rolling up&out, realizing short term losses.
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 Originally Posted by Walt34 Long a fan of aviation books (I was reading those in elementary school), the first time I heard the term TLAR was that legend had it that the de Havilland Tiger Moth was preliminarily designed on the floor of a hangar in chalk using the "TLAR school of design". While I doubt that's true, it does make a good story.
Funny. I actually got an hour of dual instruction in a Tiger Moth a few years ago. I commented to the instructor that it was flying crooked. He said it wouldn't be hard to retension all the wires to get it to fly straight, but tomorrow it would fly crooked again anyway. I guess that TLAR didn't make the wings stiff enough.

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 Originally Posted by Cobra9777 That's sort-of my approach as well. Although right now, I'm an opportunistic non-rebalancer because I think bonds have more downside potential in the near term than stocks. But I agree the Trump run may or may not have legs. I just think the economy is pretty solid and the Fed will keep raising rates. I don't have any bands and I follow no calendar or schedule. When I'm off the target AA and I think there's an opportunity by rebalancing, I do it.

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My approach is also not very precise or scientific. I'm mostly in equities and am more focused on long-term portfolio growth than short-term ups and downs.

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