In NY below 200% FPL the plan is still $20 a month or nothing. Amazed it is still $20.
http://info.nystateofhealth.ny.gov/sites/default/files/Essential Plan Fact Sheet 2017.pdf
is that a PPO plan?
In NY below 200% FPL the plan is still $20 a month or nothing. Amazed it is still $20.
http://info.nystateofhealth.ny.gov/sites/default/files/Essential Plan Fact Sheet 2017.pdf
What is meant by "rack rate"?
If it's any consolation... I recently had a procedure miscoded, and the hospital claimed I was responsible for the payment. I asked if there was any sort of reduction since I was paying out of pocket. I was told, if I was uninsured, they would reduce the charge by 80%. Since I was insured, they were only allowed by law or contract, I forget which one at the moment, to reduce the charge by 20%.
So, oddly enough, you may pay less for care without insurance, although the premiums aren't high enough yet for me to take that risk.
1) Not all hospitals may be so 'generous'.
2) You were talking to the hospital - there can be multiple additional providers, all of whom bill you independently (doctor, surgeon, anesthetist, radiologist, et. al.), each of which may take different angles on those who don't have insurance...and all of whom are more likely to not negotiate to that level, and instead go after you and/or sell it to a collections firm if you try and negotiate it after the fact, since the small individuals don't have billions in revenue to 'pay for' discounts like this.
For young people with low SLCSP premiums, the sliding scale of subsidies often goes to zero well below 400% FPL.
What is meant by "rack rate"?
I'm not sure what you mean by all policies offered have the same options. Policies vary on premium and how much you can expect to co-pay for doctor visits, prescriptions, etc. and the total deductible and maximum out-of-pocket costs, not to mention what doctors and facilities are in the network. If you mean things like you can't be denied insurance, well I can't say I agree that's a bad thing.I live in AZ. Luckily I have a grandfathered private insurance plan (as long as it continues to exist). Once it is gone I will have to get Obamacare or a work around. But these facts are grim.
One county in AZ has only one choice -- so much for competition that could drive prices down. And even with more than 1 option, the strictures of an Obamacare policy mean all the policies offered have the same options, so no competition. Let's hope somebody fixes this b/c we have taken a system that 90% of people were happy with and turned it into a disaster. This thing is a rube golberg nightmare and it was more than foreseeable by anyone who could look at it objectively.
Also, when anyone is happy about how subsidies are increasing, let's remember that the taxpayers (we who are working) are paying for all of this. There is no free lunch. Let's hope our inept congress can somehow figure out how to interject competition into this pig and eventually make it affordable. But their usual answer (more taxpayer money for subsidies and insurance company bailouts) will only make the death spiral happen that much sooner.
My advice: If you need or can foresee any type of medical treatment, book your doctor now. In some cases, the wait in AZ is over 6 months to see a qualified doctor. If you are early retired, consider a part-time job at Starbucks or a similar company where you can get work-related healthcare that does not have the huge co-pay, narrow networks and limitations of Obamacare. This is only going to get alot worse before it gets better. Good luck all and God Bless!
1) Not all hospitals may be so 'generous'.
2) You were talking to the hospital - there can be multiple additional providers, all of whom bill you independently (doctor, surgeon, anesthetist, radiologist, et. al.), each of which may take different angles on those who don't have insurance...and all of whom are more likely to not negotiate to that level, and instead go after you and/or sell it to a collections firm if you try and negotiate it after the fact, since the small individuals don't have billions in revenue to 'pay for' discounts like this.
Then just declare bankruptcy and they get nothing.
As more insurance companies switch to HMOS don't count on providers being generous. If and when uncollectibles start to pile up don't be surprised if you get turned away before you can rack up a big bill. If you are not in network you better have your checkbook with you if you want care. They might not let you bleed to death, but the rest is up in the air if they don't feel they are going to get paid.
That's a nice attitude because someone willl pay more because you don't want to pay anything . It will be higher bills for those of us who do pay or more taxes for everyone.
SWAG.
Are you sure this is the case? The average cost of healthcare insurance in the US equals around 35% of median pretax household income (IIRC), and that doesn't even cover deductibles or other cost sharing. This is an issue of basic affordability. It only arises in discussions about ACA prices because employer group insurance costs are not made public and Medicare is heavily subsidized.More and more of the citizenry is getting this attitude. Greece was this way (and still is?).
It only arises in discussions about ACA prices because employer group insurance costs are not made public and Medicare is heavily subsidized.
Everyone's W-2s now has a box on it that shows what the employer paid for employer provided health insurance. For the past few years of working it was usually $10-15k per year (lower cost being high deductible plan; higher cost being a low-ish deductible 80% co-insurance plan). And that's just the employer's portion.
So all these $1000/month premiums for 2017 don't shock me at all since employers have had guarantee issue insurance for their employees for many many years and have been paying these high premiums. I remember back in 2010 or so our employee's share of family premiums were around $700-900 for a very average plan with moderate deductibles, limited network (major local hospital - where the ambulance would take us - not in network) and high copays.
I showed earlier that the insurance premium plus the high deductible is almost as high as the median pre-tax income of a couple our age in the county of my 2nd home. It's a whole lot more than 35%.Are you sure this is the case? The average cost of healthcare insurance in the US equals around 35% of median pretax household income (IIRC), and that doesn't even cover deductibles or other cost sharing. This is an issue of basic affordability. It only arises in discussions about ACA prices because employer group insurance costs are not made public and Medicare is heavily subsidized.
I thought you might be making a different point, and agree with this.It should cause an outrage for people to demand to know why it is that high. People should not say "it's OK with me because it is still low after my subsidy". That attitude is what I was talking about.
Good point.Everyone's W-2s now has a box on it that shows what the employer paid for employer provided health insurance.
It would show us where the money goes, and what we get in return. It does not solve the problem, but helps us define it....Making or enabling full transparency in health care prices and costs won't solve any problems but it would probably help get some focus.
This is a bigger gamble and unknown than where to invest your money...
Retire in 2017 @52, would cost over $700 per month to join DW insurance plan. COBRA will let me stay at $450 a month for up to 18 months but this is turning out to be a game that you need to re-review each year.
No long term planning with healthcare costs anymore just lots of SWAG.
It would show us where the money goes, and what we get in return. It does not solve the problem, but helps us define it.
Maybe after understanding the benefits, we will all say "it's really worth it", and become willing to spend all our own assets (not somebody else's, mind you) down to zero to get "it". But we do not really know what "it" is that costs so much.
Right now, in my area, the health insurance has gone up to more than double in just one year. Per law, insurers have to pay most of it out and not to keep it as profits. So, am I correct in saying that the healthcare cost has doubled? I assume that auditing has been done to see that insurers did not cheat on their books.
What has doubled then? Hospitals have racked up their rates to double? Drugs now cost twice as much? People are now twice as sick?
What is it? Nobody does anything. Just let Uncle Sam keep on paying. He can print more money.
BTW, my theory on the price increases is that the insurance companies are still paying for folks who went without insurance for years, joined when coverage first came available and raced to have their pre-existing conditions operated on, etc.
Perhaps some of the cheaper plans are offered by companies who waited to get into the individual state until the "rat moved through the snake" if you will, and do not have the backlog of health problems needing immediate attention.