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01-15-2020, 07:43 AM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Back woods of Fennario
Posts: 1,170
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Originally Posted by OldShooter
Yes. I think the ubiquitous "risk tolerance assessment" questionnaires found on the internet are completely useless. I have always liked Fred Schwed's discussion of the issue: There are certain things that cannot be adequately explained to a virgin either by words or pictures. Nor can any description that I might offer here even approximate what it feels like to lose a real chunk of money that you used to own.
The first hit is the worst. 1987 for us. With each subsequent wild ride it gets easier to relax and enjoy the views. We have never sold even a dime's worth of stock in any downturn.
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In those events, I was a younger man and still working and saving. I just didn't look at my "retirement account" statements when they arrived monthly in the mail.
This next downturn (assuming it ever arrives) will be the first for us when our "retirement account" is more than just the target for our saving goals. We won't have to sell equities - even if it lasts 10 years or more. But I am not sure how I'll do in the nap department. DW will do fine.
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01-15-2020, 08:40 AM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NC
Posts: 21,305
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Originally Posted by Callitaday2022
Very interesting, but I do need to leave a legacy for one of my sons care...link to other comparison please and thankyou .
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FIRECALC allows that choice too, just use it. It’s the last button on the last tab. FIRECALC is more versatile than some folks realize...
https://firecalc.com/
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Leave some money in the portfolio for my estate
There should be a minimum of $__ left in the portfolio at all times, including at the end.
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No one agrees with other people's opinions; they merely agree with their own opinions -- expressed by somebody else. Sydney Tremayne
Retired Jun 2011 at age 57
Target AA: 50% equity funds / 45% bonds / 5% cash
Target WR: Approx 1.5% Approx 20% SI (secure income, SS only)
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01-15-2020, 10:00 AM
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#43
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: City
Posts: 10,351
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Originally Posted by LRDave
In those events, I was a younger man and still working and saving. I just didn't look at my "retirement account" statements when they arrived monthly in the mail.
This next downturn (assuming it ever arrives) will be the first for us when our "retirement account" is more than just the target for our saving goals. We won't have to sell equities - even if it lasts 10 years or more. But I am not sure how I'll do in the nap department. DW will do fine.
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You'll nap well, too. Being self-aware is the first step plus you will get coaching from DW and from here. Not to worry; ten years is a more than adequate buffer.
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01-15-2020, 11:24 AM
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Full time employment: Posting here.
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: London/UK (dual US/UK citizen)
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Originally Posted by Midpack
History says you WILL “really be tested,” several times if you have more than 20 years in retirement. I’m glad I was invested in 1987, 2000 & 2008 and I read The Four Pillars of Investing* - I believe I have a good idea how I’ll react, stay the course. If history is FAR worse than anything we’ve ever seen, there may not be any $ defense anyway.
* before Dr Bernstein lost faith in all investors.
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Absolutely and I know that - I just can’t be wholly sure of my psychological reaction without a paycheck. So I do what I can to massage my own psyche — keep a year and a half expenses in cash, for example, and have a current dividend yield of about 60% of the year’s expenses. SO those together should keep me from being twitchy and doing anything silly!
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01-24-2020, 05:54 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,336
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If one of your goals is having a higher ending balance the heavier stock portfolios--90%+ show a SUBSTANTIALLY higher balance than 50/50 over a couple of decades.
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01-25-2020, 05:44 AM
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 327
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Originally Posted by Midpack
FIRECALC allows that choice too, just use it. It’s the last button on the last tab. FIRECALC is more versatile than some folks realize...
https://firecalc.com/
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Thanks, Midpack, for reminding folks about this feature.
(I use it as a long-term care backstop, setting the average cost of total (multi-year) LTC as always available. That means we may leave a legacy we don't necessarily want/need to leave, but it's a useful way to model the problem if you don't have LTC insurance.)
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01-25-2020, 06:05 AM
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gone traveling
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Washington, DC
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This is a great thread! Very interesting about the "remaining value vs % equity", and I think I will try to run the same analysis to and show the graph of remaining portfolio value as well, unless you have that information already? Would be interesting I think...
Thanks for this one!
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01-25-2020, 06:36 AM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Location: NC
Posts: 21,305
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Originally Posted by Tiger8693
This is a great thread! Very interesting about the "remaining value vs % equity", and I think I will try to run the same analysis to and show the graph of remaining portfolio value as well, unless you have that information already? Would be interesting I think...
Thanks for this one!
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The first thread included residuals, high-low-average, for 95% success at least.
http://www.early-retirement.org/foru...on-101660.html
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No one agrees with other people's opinions; they merely agree with their own opinions -- expressed by somebody else. Sydney Tremayne
Retired Jun 2011 at age 57
Target AA: 50% equity funds / 45% bonds / 5% cash
Target WR: Approx 1.5% Approx 20% SI (secure income, SS only)
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01-25-2020, 06:42 AM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,336
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Originally Posted by Midpack
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very cool
do you have a graph for 15 years?
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01-25-2020, 06:42 AM
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gone traveling
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 575
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Oh, thanks! I'll go back to that thread and check it out.
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01-25-2020, 07:58 AM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Location: NC
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Originally Posted by FREE866
very cool
do you have a graph for 15 years?
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Sorry no. My intent was only to show comparative results, not actual numbers. The numbers are past history, so I wouldn’t necessarily put too much faith in them - rear view mirror...
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No one agrees with other people's opinions; they merely agree with their own opinions -- expressed by somebody else. Sydney Tremayne
Retired Jun 2011 at age 57
Target AA: 50% equity funds / 45% bonds / 5% cash
Target WR: Approx 1.5% Approx 20% SI (secure income, SS only)
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