RIP Kobe Bryant

[pb4uski]

Sad. But to be fair if a helicopter crashed with 8 or 9 people on it that didn't include any celebrities, would it even be reported nationally?

[Bestwifeever]

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Originally Posted by pb4uski Sad. But to be fair if a helicopter crashed with 8 or 9 people on it that didn't include any celebrities, would it even be reported nationally?

People here RIP all the time for musicians and other celebrities (a Monty Python comedian, recently)—would we hear of their deaths and mourn them for a minute or so had they not achieved something in their lives and become part of a collective consciousness?

[Mr. Tightwad]

I was at the Sage Hill high school basketball game on Wednesday. Kobe's oldest daughter is on the team. Kobe wasn't present, not sure if the deceased daughter was.

I was there because my daughter played against Sage Hill that evening.

[target2019]

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Originally Posted by Bestwifeever People here RIP all the time for musicians and other celebrities (a Monty Python comedian, recently)—would we hear of their deaths and mourn them for a minute or so had they not achieved something in their lives and become part of a collective consciousness?

I'm not a basketball fan, or even a Kobe Bryant fan. But I recognize when an individual achieves extraordinary things with their ability and effort.

Hearing of this accident actually made me queasy for an hour or so. I'm not entirely sure why, but all the victims' families face an uphill battle.

[Midpack]

Sad and shocking, but life is uncertain. I haven’t much followed basketball since MJ retired, but Kobe was one of the greats.

[Midpack]

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Originally Posted by pb4uski Sad. But to be fair if a helicopter crashed with 8 or 9 people on it that didn't include any celebrities, would it even be reported nationally?

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Originally Posted by Bestwifeever People here RIP all the time for musicians and other celebrities (a Monty Python comedian, recently)—would we hear of their deaths and mourn them for a minute or so had they not achieved something in their lives and become part of a collective consciousness?

We make too much of celebrity, but that’s never going to change. Everyone who died in the crash leaves behind grieving families and friends, Kobe no more or less.

[Markola]

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Originally Posted by target2019 I'm not a basketball fan, or even a Kobe Bryant fan. But I recognize when an individual achieves extraordinary things with their ability and effort. Hearing of this accident actually made me queasy for an hour or so. I'm not entirely sure why, but all the victims' families face an uphill battle.

You’re right. Something like this changes the surviving individuals and whole families. It’s not a passing news event for them but will be a lifelong impact. Very sad.

[NW-Bound]

While most dead people are missed by those who know them, celebrities are known by more people, and have more fans missing them. This is completely normal.

My father's funeral was attended by many people, more than 100, as he was the founder of a couple of associations. When I die, it will be just my family and close relatives.

[Nemo2]

Is the mourning completely for someone they never met, or is it because another chip has been removed from their own memory?

[Aerides]

Major sports figures, especially those few rare ones who achieve and sustain greatness for years/decades, have a much wider impact than "celebrities". There is a generation of younger men (and women) who grew up watching the NBA, inspired and influenced by KB, and his impact on young girls now with the junior WNBA hopefuls was just gaining traction. Millions who can tell you they remember watching a game and saying "i wanna be like him" when I grow up.

He was in living rooms, his shoes on feet, his jerseys on countless backs of a generation. Far broader impact than even the most accomplished actors or musicians or any other celebrity category.

For those that passionately follow football, it's equivalent to if this had happened to Tom Brady and one of his children.

I cannot imagine what his family is going through.

[Nemo2]

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Originally Posted by Aerides Major sports figures, especially those few rare ones who achieve and sustain greatness for years/decades, have a much wider impact than "celebrities". There is a generation of younger men (and women) who grew up watching the NBA, inspired and influenced by KB, and his impact on young girls now with the junior WNBA hopefuls was just gaining traction. Millions who can tell you they remember watching a game and saying "i wanna be like him" when I grow up. He was in living rooms, his shoes on feet, his jerseys on countless backs of a generation. Far broader impact than even the most accomplished actors or musicians or any other celebrity category. For those that passionately follow football, it's equivalent to if this had happened to Tom Brady and one of his children.

Interesting perspective, thanks. Having never in my life followed professional, (or amateur for that matter), sports, this hadn't really occurred to me.

Perhaps I should copy this to the Have You Ever Completely Changed Your Mind On A Forum Thread?

[MrLoco]

Feel sorry for his daughter and the others on board the copter, but KB was no saint. On July 18, 2003, he was charged with felony sexual assault.
YEah, yeah I know "innocent until proven guilty." Of course I'm sure many also think that OJ never butchered his wife and the other fellow cuz he was found not guilty. KB "paid off" the 19 year old girl in a civil case. Hmmmmm…money talks!!!

If you have money and the best lawyers......you get off.

Karma has a way of catching up to certain people.

[Aerides]

Equating OJ's aquittal with KB's case-dismissal is complete false equivalency. Doing so, today, so quickly, is gross.

KB's case was dismissed before it went to court as the witness refused to testify. She pursued a civil case which was settled.

[aaronc879]

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Originally Posted by MrLoco Feel sorry for his daughter and the others on board the copter, but KB was no saint. On July 18, 2003, he was charged with felony sexual assault. YEah, yeah I know "innocent until proven guilty." Of course I'm sure many also think that OJ never butchered his wife and the other fellow cuz he was found not guilty. KB "paid off" the 19 year old girl in a civil case. Hmmmmm…money talks!!! If you have money and the best lawyers......you get off. Karma has a way of catching up to certain people.

The truth is only Kobe and the accuser know what happened that night. What you are implying is one of the possibilities. It is just as likely that the two of them had consensual sex then she tried to get some money. DNA evidence proved she had sex with someone else within 15 hours after she was with Kobe. Not something that a rape victim would be likely to do. On advice from legal counsel she asked the prosecution to drop the criminal case. She later filed a civil case which was settled out of court which happens all the time whether the accused is guilt or not. What is not debateable is the substantial good Kobe did for his community in the last 15 years of his life.

[Dash man]

Here’s what happened with Kobe Bryant regarding his past:
https://www.breitbart.com/sports/202...s-life-around/

[NW-Bound]

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Originally Posted by Nemo2 Interesting perspective, thanks. Having never in my life followed professional, (or amateur for that matter), sports, this hadn't really occurred to me. Perhaps I should copy this to the Have You Ever Completely Changed Your Mind On A Forum Thread?

Same as you, I do not follow spectator sports, but I do understand people's fascination with it.

I remember idolizing the Wright Brothers, Edison, and Henry Ford as an 8-year-old kid, from a book about their inventions and successes. It made me want to be an engineer when I grew up. They were way before my time, and that spared me the grief of their death.

[HFWR]

I’m fairly satisfied that Kobe did a lot of good, even as I don’t discount probable bad behavior. At least let the poor guy’s body get cold...

As for his “faith”, as portrayed in the above posted news article, if I had a sawbuck for everyone caught with their hand in the cookie jar, but have now “found the Lord”, I’d be more visible in the Blow That Dough thread...

[MRG]

RIP.

[aaronc879]

I don't really want to talk about this kind of thing so soon but this is a finacially related forum so I think it's appropriate. Are the families of the other casualties likely to file a civil case against Kobe's estate for negligence. The helicopter that Kobe owned did not have a black box or terrain warning devices. Kobe's wife could lose 10's of millions if this goes to court. Thoughts?

[RobbieB]

May the buzzards pick the carcass clean. It's the American way!