Thank you for the response. Starting to make a bit of sense now. So for someone who pulls more than their original contribution total before the "5 year conversion clock", the law does not assess a penalty on the $1,000 of "old money", but does assess a penalty on the "new money". After the conversion clock ticks past 5, then both portions of the conversion become the same (come out tax free after 59 1/2).
almost........I thought we were talk pre-65 withdrawals here..........
in that case, the conversion clocks matter and what you said is true and
"new money" comes out before "old money".
After 59.5, another clock comes into play.....the age of the oldest Roth.....if > 5 yrs, everything is qualified...no tax or penalty on anything; if < 5 yrs, earnings are taxed but
no penalty.
This is the table by kawill from fairmark.com that I love because you don't need to remember or think . The table also is listed in terms of the ordering rules, the order in which withdrawals are made. The only other thing you need to know is the ordering rules for conversions. The oldest conversions come out first. Within each conversion, taxable part first, then nontaxable . :
Roth IRA Distribution Table
UNDER AGE 59.5
FIVE YEAR CONVERSION HOLDING PERIOD NOT MET
Contributions: Tax-No; Penalty-No
Conversions: Tax-No; Penalty-Yes (Taxable Portion)
Conversions: Tax-No ;Penalty-No (Nontaxable Portion)
Earnings: Tax-Yes; Penalty-Yes
UNDER AGE 59.5
FIVE YEAR CONVERSION HOLDING PERIOD MET
Contributions: Tax-No; Penalty-No
Conversions: Tax-No; Penalty-No (Taxable Portion)
Conversions: Tax-No; Penalty-No (Nontaxable Portion)
Earnings: Tax-Yes; Penalty-Yes
OVER AGE 59.5
LESS THAN FIVE YEARS SINCE OPENING FIRST ROTH IRA
Contributions: Tax-No ;Penalty-No
Conversions: Tax-No; Penalty-No (Taxable Portion)
Conversions: Tax-No; Penalty-No (Nontaxable Portion)
Earnings: Tax-Yes; Penalty-No
OVER AGE 59.5
FIVE YEARS OR MORE SINCE OPENING FIRST ROTH IRA
All Distributions Are Qualified
No Taxes
No Penalties
Note: The table is not applicable to timely distributions of excess contributions or return of regular contributions.