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11-05-2007, 06:59 AM
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Should I refinance?
Current loan is 30yr(25 left) at 6.5%. I've been paying extra so that it will be done in 2019.
I think I could refinance at 5.5% for 15 years. Make the same pmt I'm paying today and have it finished in 2018 with 10k less interest paid.
Is that enough to pull the trigger on a refinance? I'm not sure what my closing costs would be on a 0 points loan at 5.5%, but I'm looking into it.
JD
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11-05-2007, 07:25 AM
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It will likely cost you a good chunk of that 10K in refinance costs. Consider prepaying an additional 1/12th of the loan payment amount (exclude taxes and insurnace) each month. fairly painless and will save interest and shorten time line. Run the numbers here
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11-05-2007, 07:36 AM
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Ditto what Sandy said. One caveat: if you don't think you're disciplined enough to keep making that extra payment, look into the 15-year loan, just shop for the lowest cost. But watch it, those guys are tricky, and surprise costs may show up. Find someone you trust through personal experience or a friend whose worked with the business a lot. Do you have any close friends that are in real estate? They're in a whole lot of closings.
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11-05-2007, 07:44 AM
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I'm currently paying an extra 36% per month to wrap up this 30 yr loan in 12 years.
My pmt is 830 and I'm paying 1130. If I refinance to 5.5%, my pmt required would be 956. If I continue to pay 1130, I would save about 10k and a yr.
If, for some reason, I could only pay the minimum, refinancing would save me about 50k over the life of the loan.
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11-05-2007, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnDoe
Current loan is 30yr(25 left) at 6.5%. I've been paying extra so that it will be done in 2019.
I think I could refinance at 5.5% for 15 years. Make the same pmt I'm paying today and have it finished in 2018 with 10k less interest paid.
Is that enough to pull the trigger on a refinance? I'm not sure what my closing costs would be on a 0 points loan at 5.5%, but I'm looking into it.
JD
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If you could get the rate slightly lower, I think it's a good move. If it's same payment and only 1 year shorter, you have less risk in current loan.
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11-05-2007, 07:58 AM
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I dont think anybody mentioned this....but how long you are going to stay in the house to actually recoup any closing costs is the biggest key...
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11-05-2007, 11:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDoe
Current loan is 30yr(25 left) at 6.5%. I've been paying extra so that it will be done in 2019.
I think I could refinance at 5.5% for 15 years. Make the same pmt I'm paying today and have it finished in 2018 with 10k less interest paid.
Is that enough to pull the trigger on a refinance? I'm not sure what my closing costs would be on a 0 points loan at 5.5%, but I'm looking into it.
JD
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Penfed ( www.penfed.org) has a 5 year Arm at 5.375% with 0 Closing Costs 0 Points and no prepayment penalty. I know it is an ARM but it is 5.375% for 5 years before any adjustment. Maybe it would get you closer to your target year 2018 a bit cheaper for the next 5 years. Just a thought.
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11-06-2007, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by maddythebeagle
I dont think anybody mentioned this....but how long you are going to stay in the house to actually recoup any closing costs is the biggest key...
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Assuming the OP keeps his payment constant, I agree.
Consider that refinancing can have several motives:
1) cash flow. reduce current payments
2) reduce interest rate/ total amount paid
3) lock in payment period
I am sure there are a few less obvious reasons.
1) pull cash out
2) ??
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01-08-2008, 05:03 PM
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I'm glad I waited. I think I can get a rate below 5% in another month. The bank I was looking at is already down to 5.375%. Closing cost would be 2k which I would just roll back into the loan.
At a rate of 5%, I would be saving close to 20k - including the closing costs.
That's not bad. Heck, maybe I can get 4.75!
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01-09-2008, 12:08 PM
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4 1/2 years ago I was in the same boat as you but instead of making extra payments, I was investing the extra money in VFINX.
I was scheduled to have enough in the mutual fund to pay off the house in 5 1/2 years so I refinanced to a 5 year ARM at 3.75%. My payments went down and I would be paying less interest. I was then able to put even more money into the mutual fund and I am now on course to have enough in the mutual fund to pay off the house in about 8 more months (it was 5 months before the market started tanking).
Now I wonder if I should really pay it off or just refinance again to a fixed rate and let the mutual fund continue to grow. Either way, its a win / win situation.
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01-09-2008, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by utrecht
Now I wonder if I should really pay it off or just refinance again to a fixed rate and let the mutual fund continue to grow. Either way, its a win / win situation.
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If you want to refi fixed I would use the current 4.99% 10 year Pen Fed HEL with $0 closing costs - great deal.
To OP. I am going to do the Pen Fed 5/5 ARM today at 4.75 plus .625 points. What makes this deal smoking hot is they are picking up most of the closing costs and the margin is only 1% + 5 year tbill instead of 2.75%. Caps are 2/5. That is a great incentive, best I have seen on an ARM.
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01-09-2008, 01:22 PM
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I was looking into some ARMS, but I didn't see where there was much of a rate difference from a fixed.
I could do the 10 yr @ 4.99. That would bump my pmt up $50 from what I am actually paying now. With the 15 yr, it gives me a little flexability with cash flow, should it become a problem.
I think I will sit on the sidelines for a few more weeks, and watch the rates come down, and see who wants my business. (prob no one) lol
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01-16-2008, 08:41 AM
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Pen Fed down to 5%, 0 points, $1,550 est closing costs.
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