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Old 12-25-2017, 03:58 AM   #21
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I do not think that her benefit could ever be higher than survivor...


In you example... $700 benefit... +$400 to get to $1100 which represents 50% of yours which is $2200...

It would take more than 15 years of growth for the $700 benefit to exceed $2200 growing at 8%... you cannot get 15 years of growth...


As mentioned, once you die she can keep getting her $700 or your $2200... seems like an easy choice to me...
i think the confusion on this is more a case of the reverse .

the confusion comes from the way they do things now .

now , it is always your own benefit and any spousal increases get added on to your own benefit . in fact when my wife filed for spousal they don't call it switching to a spousal benefit anymore .

they tell you they will be adding x-amount of dollars to your own benefit as a spousal adder .

so i can see where there is some confusion as to whether that whole benefit remains as your benefit which you can let grow by taking survivor first ,than switching to your own later . .

don't forget some widows take survivor until 70 and let their own ss benefit grow , then switch , so the question becomes is "their benefit the amount they were collecting including the spousal adder or does it revert back to their own base amount ?


it looks like all spousal dies when the person who's record is being used dies , including any additional spousal dollars that were added to your benefit .
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Old 12-25-2017, 05:08 PM   #22
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I really am not a SS expert in any way.... but the little I do know is that if you are getting a 'spousal adder' as you call it then the spouse benefits are less than 50% of the main person...

Math tells me that if the benefit is less than 50% it cannot grow to be more than 100% by the time spouse reaches 70...

So, when I say survivor benefit I really do not care if they say it is the person's benefit + a survivor benefit or just survivor benefit... it is the same amount so I treat it as the same in my mind...



BUT, if you can give me an actual example with real numbers where what you say could happen I will be glad to say I was completely wrong... I just think it is impossible....
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they tell you they will be adding x-amount of dollars to your own benefit as a spousal adder .

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it looks like all spousal dies when the person whose record is being used dies , including any additional spousal dollars that were added to your benefit.
Yes, your second sentence is correct. The terminology SS uses really does muddle things.
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