pb4uski
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It is true that most people claim at 62 or as soon as they stop working because they don't have any other choice.
Well, while it varies based on your year of birth because of the transition of the FRA from age 65 to age 67... for someone whose full retirement age (FRA) is 66 you get 75% of what you would get at your FRA at age 62 and 132% of what you would get at your FRA at age 70 (4 years deferred * 8% a year simple).
So for the first one (x-62)*75 = (x-70)*132.... then 75x - 4,650 = 132x - 9,240... then 4,590 = 57x... then x= 80.52. Proof = (80.52-62)*75 = 1,389 = (80.52-70)*132.
For the second one (x-62)*75 = (x-66)*100.... then 75x - 4,650 = 100x - 6,600... then 1,950 = 25x... then x= 78... 78-66=12 years (not 8 years). Proof = (78-62)*75 = 1,200 = (78-66)*100.
I read an article from Suze Orman who says: "That when you start taking SS at age 70, when you hit your early 80s your total payments will be more than if you started getting a lower benefit at age 62"
I had also heard elsewhere as an example, that if you start taking benefits at age 67, it will take you 8 years to make up for what you missed if you had started to take benefits at age 62.
Unless I am missing something, these seem to contradict each other? Perhaps her statement is misleading or I am misreading it?
Of course we do not know how long we will live and there are other variables, but I thought that generally the idea was that the intent to get about the same amount of benefits no matter when you start taking SS.
Thanks, just thought I would get some additional input.
I still don’t get why anyone cares about the breakeven point. If you want some longevity insurance and a larger amount left to a remaining spouse and can afford to, you delay. If you need the money or just want it now, you don’t.
I agree, the paper referenced by clobber is junk, regardless of which way you want to go.
It was a stupid straw man argument. Make an absurd statement and then strike it down as proof of his point.Which is not what you said. He made no statement on the "number of payments."
Like I said, this post would be unpopular in this community.
And for that reason, I'm out.
I still don’t get why anyone cares about the breakeven point. If you want some longevity insurance and a larger amount left to a remaining spouse and can afford to, you delay. If you need the money or just want it now, you don’t.
The longer we are likely to live the better off the waiting until 70 option becomes. The majority of people do take SS at 62. But I remember reading an article somewhere that did a look back of a large set of data points of people who died and determined that the majority of them in retrospect would have earned more money by waiting until 70.
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Anyhoo...The payment options for SS [-]are[/-] were supposed to be neutral from an actuarial point of view. The problem with this is that we don’t all live to the exact age of our country’s life expectancy. We have to make an assumption based on our current health and family history on how long we will live.
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I have no comment except that to see a thread with both Suze and SS is like winning the lottery in COVID times....I long for more "normal" threads...
In addition, life expectancy has increased since those numbers were determined. The chances of living past the breakeven point are greater than they were when the numbers were last adjusted. Just thought I'd add another point in favor of delaying.
I have to partially take back whatI said. I remember now that someone pointed out to me that there are plenty of people that regard the bottom line balance as more important than income, as they have so much income that the only real objective is to maximize the estate for future generations. Something like that would never be on my mind.I think this is why the break even point matters for one who doesn’t need the $ at early retirement age, but wants to make an informed decision based on their personal life expectancy.
Clobber left because someone disagreed with him, hmm.
I'm curious what article RunningBum or pb4uski would suggest for someone to read about the SS decision (when to claim benefits?).
No haircut | Haircut | |
Optimal solution | 100.0% | 100.0% |
Both now | 97.8% | 98.9% |
Both 65 | 99.0% | 99.7% |
Both at FRA | 99.2% | 99.2% |
Me 70/DW FRA | 98.7% | 96.3% |
Probably because of International funds and a few other under performing choices. I'll plug in all our funds, thanks.I think the best way to assess your returns is to compare them to a similiar portfolio using Portfolio Visualizer. But the comparisons are only relevant if you have everything at Vanguard and everything is being included in the numbers that you posted above. Such a comparison wouldn't work for me because I have fair and increasing amounts outside of Vanguard.
50/50 Vanguard Total Stock/Total Bond Inv
10 years... Apr 2010 - Mar 2020.... +7.18%
5 years..... Apr 2015 - Mar 2020.... +4.79%
3 years..... Apr 2017 - Mar 2020.... +4.82%
1 year....... Apr 2019 - Mar 2020.... +0.36%
https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com...location1_1=50&symbol2=VBMFX&allocation2_1=50
One reason NOT to is if it pushes MAGI to high for ACA Subsidies.