Traditional IRA Inheritance Question

[Budatx]

Hello, I have questions about an estate that holds a Traditional IRA. In her Will, my relative who passed away in April 2021, left her entire estate to her heirs (about thirty heirs). She never married and had no children. The entire estate is valued at $1.4M. Besides 3 pieces of real property, and other financial accounts, there is a Traditional IRA valued at $775K. Like the estate, there is no named beneficiary designated for the IRA. According to the estate's Inventory and Appraisement form, which lists all estate assets and claims, "no claims are due and owing to the estate."

Does this mean that all taxes owed on the Traditional IRA have been paid? If so, is the $775K split among all beneficiaries just like all other assets?

Thanks for any info.

[Rocky mtn high]

I am thinking taxes will be due.

[cathy63]

No, you can't assume that taxes have been paid on the tIRA. The IRS has no current claim on that money, but they will have one as soon as the account is liquidated. The only way you escape some of the tax liability is if the original owner kept records of non-deductible contributions. The estate administrator should look at past tax returns to see if they can find a form 8606 in her records.

I don't know if the estate will have to liquidate the account since it has no beneficiary or if it can be distributed to the heirs as 31 separate inherited IRAs. If the estate liquidates it, then the fed tax due is 37% of amounts over $13K.

[JBTX]

I don’t know what the rules are for distribution of IRAs with no beneficiaries

As to taxes, the beneficiaries will have to pay taxes as their portion of the inherited IRA is distributed. The distribution / schedules depends on the individual and circumstances, but in most “normal” cases the beneficiary will need to liquidate within 10 years and taxes will be due as distribution income is realized.

[Souschef]

INAL/CPA, but "no claims are due and owing to the estate." I believe there are no creditors owed.
There are a whole series of rules about inherited IRA's. For non spouses, I believe the inheritors must take an RMD based on their age the year after the original owner died.

However, with about 30 heirs, they would each get a little over $25 K each. Depending on their tax bracket, they might want to cash it out and be done with it.
Unless I am wrong, the big PITA is that every heir must open an IRA to receive the funds.

[SecondCor521]

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Originally Posted by Souschef There are a whole series of rules about inherited IRA's. For non spouses, I believe the inheritors must take an RMD based on their age the year after the original owner died.

That used to be the rule, but as another poster mentioned, since the SECURE Act passed, most of the time they have about 10 years to distribute the entire balance.

[PaunchyPirate]

The executor of the will needs to contact the holder/broker of the Traditional IRA with details about how the IRA Is to be divided between the 30 heirs - equal shares or otherwise. The broker will then need to create 30 new Inherited IRAs, one for each heir. It is likely that each heir will need to fill out some paperwork for their account to be set up - SSNs, names, addresses, etc. Once the new accounts are set up, the broker will fund them with the proceeds from the Traditional IRA.

Since these will now be Inherited IRAs, each new owner will have 10 years to withdraw the money from them as they desire - all at once, every year, after 9 years and 360 days, etc. The investments can grow tax free until withdrawn.

The new owner will owe taxes on withdrawals in the year they make them.

[RunningBum]

The rules are different if you are a named beneficiary, or if the IRA passes to you through the estate. Less favorable for the later, which is why you should try to name beneficiaries for your IRA and keep them up to date. I'm not motivated enough to look up the exact differences but the OP can, or rely on the executor of the estate to explain it.

[JBTX]

You have a good point

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/wh...ignation-26375

Looks like the inherited IRA must be liquidated within 5 years. That is generally the rule if an IRA is not left to a specific named person with a designated lifespan. If you leave an IRA to a trust or other non person entity it usually has to be distributed in 5 years, unless the trust is a “see through” trust.

[Dash man]

The IRA funds can be distributed to the heirs by check. They can then choose to pay the taxes, or open a beneficiary IRA and deposit the check within 60 days.

[target2019]

So many changes, and so little time to ingest them.

If the decedent was taking an RMD prior to the recent legislative changes, is that IRA subject to the old rules or new ones?

For example, decedent started RMD at 70 in 2014.

[cathy63]

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Originally Posted by Dash man The IRA funds can be distributed to the heirs by check. They can then choose to pay the taxes, or open a beneficiary IRA and deposit the check within 60 days.

The 60-day rollover is not allowed for non-spousal inherited IRAs. These accounts can only be established by the IRA trustee, after which they can be transferred to a new trustee if the account holder desires.

[MissMolly]

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Originally Posted by target2019 So many changes, and so little time to ingest them. If the decedent was taking an RMD prior to the recent legislative changes, is that IRA subject to the old rules or new ones? For example, decedent started RMD at 70 in 2014.

The old rules. They are grandfathered in. The new rules took effect with people who passed away beginning Jan 1, 2020.

ETA - I guess to clarify, what counts is the date of death.

[Rianne]

Moral of the story: keep beneficiaries up to date for tIRA, Roth, and bank accounts. There are many nightmare stories out there where unintended beneficiaries reaped all the benefits.

[cathy63]

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Originally Posted by target2019 So many changes, and so little time to ingest them. If the decedent was taking an RMD prior to the recent legislative changes, is that IRA subject to the old rules or new ones? For example, decedent started RMD at 70 in 2014.

The rules that were in effect on the date of death in April 2021 apply. Those rules say if she turned 72 any time before Dec 31 2020 (i.e. born in 1948 or earlier), then she had reached the age for RMDs. In that case, the estate can continue to take withdrawals from the IRA for the expected life of the decedent. Otherwise, if the decedent was born after 1948, then the estate has up to 5 years to empty the account.

The estate has to stay open and file tax returns as long as the IRA is open, so there's a lot of incentive to do it faster.

[Budatx]

Thanks everyone for taking the time to research and respond to this quirky tIRA inheritance situation. No question, I totally agree: designate a beneficiary for all $$ accounts, and update as needed. The info on rules changes to RMDs effective in 2020, is particularly helpful. Stay cool and comfortable!!