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02-10-2022, 02:26 PM
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#41
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Location: St. Louis
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Originally Posted by corn18
Makes my head hurt.
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Tell me more about why you don't like it.
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02-10-2022, 02:27 PM
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#42
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Aug 2015
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Originally Posted by FANOFJESUS
Tell me more about why you don't like it.
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Didn't say I don't like it. Just too complex to figure out.
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02-10-2022, 05:10 PM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Location: Sarasota, FL & Vermont
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Originally Posted by gcgang
I think Bill Bernstein recommends you have 25 years of “residual spending” in cash. Residual spending is the amount you need to spend to maintain your standard of living after social security, pensions, other income.
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Cash for something like that would be stupid. If you really want to be conservative then a CD or Treasury ladder would be ultraconservative and yield more than cash.
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02-11-2022, 12:17 PM
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#44
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St. Louis
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Originally Posted by corn18
Didn't say I don't like it. Just too complex to figure out.
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Pull from the all stock bucket if it is up. If it is down pull from the 40/60 if it is down pull from the cash.
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02-15-2022, 04:22 PM
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#45
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Dryer sheet wannabe
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Northern Illinois
Posts: 19
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I just retired in December and have 3.5 years of our annual budget in cash. The rest is invested 100% in stock index funds. I move the cash around doing different bank promos, some I-bonds, and such to get a little better return on the cash.
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02-15-2022, 04:26 PM
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#46
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 98
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FANOFJESUS
Pull from the all stock bucket if it is up. If it is down pull from the 40/60 if it is down pull from the cash.
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I'd do a 40/60 allocation so you you could decide which side to draw from. Otherwise it will siphon from perhaps the wrong side.
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Right amount of cash to sleep well
02-15-2022, 05:37 PM
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Confused about dryer sheets
Join Date: Jul 2020
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Right amount of cash to sleep well
It is a personal preference, for me with no pension I sleep well knowing my my annual budget is covered by cash(MM or CD) plus planned IRA withdrawal on January 1.
During the year, I work on building the cash for the next year, so I guess I’m at 1-2 years locked in funding.
I read somewhere that people with pensions reported higher happiness in retirement. I can understand why, and that led me to this approach. If my nest egg was smaller, a lean fire, I’d probably want more year’s funding in liquid investment. In a lean fire I would I have kept the pension.
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02-16-2022, 02:35 PM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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What's the Right Cash Position?
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Cash is funny stuff. I hate to have not enough (younger days); now I that have so much (crappy yield). I hate that I get <1% on deposits. I have about 5 years worth of expenses. Too much...
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02-16-2022, 04:03 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
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Location: St. Louis
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Originally Posted by I am He
I'd do a 40/60 allocation so you you could decide which side to draw from. Otherwise it will siphon from perhaps the wrong side.
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I think pulling is very easy. I think refilling the buckets is harder. But between the cash and 60/40 you would have 15 years of money. The 60/40 will not go down that much in a bear.
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02-16-2022, 09:22 PM
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Location: Twin Cities
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The title of this post would answer itself if it was called “….What’s the Right Cash Position Given 7.5% Inflation?”
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02-17-2022, 03:43 AM
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Jan 2022
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Originally Posted by Markola
The title of this post would answer itself if it was called “….What’s the Right Cash Position Given 7.5% Inflation?”
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And since we're using crystal balls, it would also answer itself if the title was "...What's the Right Cash Position in a 50% Market Correction?"
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02-17-2022, 06:22 PM
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One has happened and one has not, but the answer is easy: When a 50% market correction happens, you should be 100% cash. It’s knowing the when part that’s annoying.
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02-18-2022, 10:16 AM
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Charleston
Posts: 105
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ncbill
Dividends get cut in bad times while the stock price is also tanking.
"What can go wrong with a blue-chip dividend payer?
The easy answer is everything.
Consider that General Motors and Eastman Kodak were two of the 10 most valuable companies on the planet a quarter century ago.
Their dividends were safe, many thought.
Want a more recent example?
The General Electric dividend was considered safe until...it was cut by 50% and investors cut the price of the stock by 60%."
https://www.advisorperspectives.com/...r-your-clients
Capital gains implies retirement savings in taxable...I can see that for someone who sold a business, but would expect most to have their retirement savings in tax-deferred, so coming from there withdrawals would probably be taxed as ordinary income.
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A little less cherry picking would be nice.
DOW 30 in 1997
AlliedSignal Incorporated (Now Honeywell)
Exxon Corporation
Merck & Co., Inc.
Aluminum Company of America (now Alcoa)
General Electric Company
Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing Company
American Express Company
General Motors Corporation
Philip Morris Companies Inc.
AT&T Corporation
Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company
The Procter & Gamble Company
The Boeing Company
Hewlett-Packard Company ↑
Sears Roebuck & Company
Caterpillar Inc.
International Business Machines Corporation
Travelers Inc. ↑
Chevron Corporation
International Paper Company
Union Carbide Corporation (now owned by DOW)
The Coca-Cola Company
Johnson & Johnson ↑
United Technologies Corporation
E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Company
J.P. Morgan & Company
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. ↑
Eastman Kodak Company
McDonald's Corporation
The Walt Disney Company
Now, let's pretend the someone bought 10K worth of each of the DOW 30 25 years ago for $300k.
1. Sears is a bust
2. Eastman Kodak div got killed
28 of them over 25 years did quite well, thank you AND paid dividends for the vast majority.
So, there's that.
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02-18-2022, 12:27 PM
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#54
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Topanga
Posts: 313
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I have pension, SS income, and dividends which meet near term cash flow needs. I use investment cash as part of my overall fixed income barbell to adjust duration.
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02-18-2022, 06:36 PM
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Full time employment: Posting here.
Join Date: Oct 2020
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Originally Posted by olyveoil
A little less cherry picking would be nice.
DOW 30 in 1997
AlliedSignal Incorporated (Now Honeywell)
Exxon Corporation
Merck & Co., Inc.
Aluminum Company of America (now Alcoa)
General Electric Company
Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing Company
American Express Company
General Motors Corporation
Philip Morris Companies Inc.
AT&T Corporation
Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company
The Procter & Gamble Company
The Boeing Company
Hewlett-Packard Company ↑
Sears Roebuck & Company
Caterpillar Inc.
International Business Machines Corporation
Travelers Inc. ↑
Chevron Corporation
International Paper Company
Union Carbide Corporation (now owned by DOW)
The Coca-Cola Company
Johnson & Johnson ↑
United Technologies Corporation
E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Company
J.P. Morgan & Company
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. ↑
Eastman Kodak Company
McDonald's Corporation
The Walt Disney Company
Now, let's pretend the someone bought 10K worth of each of the DOW 30 25 years ago for $300k.
1. Sears is a bust
2. Eastman Kodak div got killed
28 of them over 25 years did quite well, thank you AND paid dividends for the vast majority.
So, there's that.
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You sure that all of the other 28 did quite well? GM, Goodyear, General Electric, AT&T, International Paper, Dupont, Alcoa didn't seem so hot.
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02-18-2022, 07:11 PM
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#56
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Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: The Great Wide Open
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While I debate with myself over to do more Roth conversions, I try to build up a cash stash that I can live off instead of taking tIRA withdrawals to supplement our spending. We sold a rental last year so we lived off that and converted an equivalent amount to a Roth. Tax bracket stayed the same, budget stayed the same. I'm counting it as a win for last year. I'll never get the whole thing converted, but if I convert anything it will be DW's tIRAs, so she'll never have to take an RMD from her account.
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02-18-2022, 08:29 PM
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#57
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: May 2019
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Part of my strategy will be to stop reinventing dividends and using that money as part of the money I will need for expenses. But I think we will also hold cash. Maybe a little more than I would normally hold at the beginning of retirement just to be more comfortable with the plan to decrease the cash holdings over time.
If I had to guess I’d say I would feel comfortable with about 6-12 months of expenses in cash or cash equivalents. That would all depend on how the markets are doing and how much I’ve spent.
If there was one right answer for everyone we wouldn’t have all of these options. To me these discussions are helpful because they get me to think about what I will want to do myself when the time comes.
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02-21-2022, 07:02 AM
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#58
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Charleston
Posts: 105
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Exchme
You sure that all of the other 28 did quite well? GM, Goodyear, General Electric, AT&T, International Paper, Dupont, Alcoa didn't seem so hot.
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As a whole, yes.
Point being. Picking a few out of thirty to whinge about dividends as part of a portfolio is nonsense.
1997 to now
Alcoa up 90% PLUS dividends
GM down 13% PLUS dividends
Goodyear down 69% Plus dividends
ATT down 13% Plus dividends
IP Up 31% Plus dividends
Dupont Up 102% Plus dividends
--Assuming a $10k investment for each of just these that you picked the investor would have gone from $60k to $76k PLUS dividends.
Now add in the 22 that you didn't select and see what the investor gets.
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