What advice does a 65 year old retiree have for a young early retiree?

[Offgrid Organic Farmer]

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Originally Posted by BoodaGazelle Don’t put all of your money in tax-deferred accounts.

hmm, I do not know about all that. My money is totally in tax-shelters.

I have not paid into Income Taxation since 1985, paying taxes would ruin me.

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Originally Posted by Gallaher Invest in stocks

Or else invest in something that pays better and keeps you sheltered from taxes.

[OldShooter]

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Originally Posted by Offgrid Organic Farmer ... invest in something that pays better and keeps you sheltered from taxes.

Sounds great! What is this "something" that pays better than stocks? I would like some too.

(Note that the y-axis is logarithmic. Stocks beat bonds roughly 80x.)

[Willers]

I'm not quite 60, but have been retired for a while so I'll offer my 2 cents anyway

Many quote LBYM, but our test on spending was always whether or not looking back in a year I'd likely be happy I spent the money. Spend your money on things that will result in lasting happiness and skip those that don't. Do this and you'll likely have the best of both worlds; plenty of savings and fulfilling experiences along the way.

There were years that we lived close to or at our means because we knew were in a special time in life that wouldn't last (location, friends, active age). Other years we didn't have the need to spend even 50% of our income.

It all comes down to using money in a way that makes you happy. I'm a car guy. I've bought numerous cars. Some have been smart financial moves, some terrible, but I don't regret any of them.

Money is just a tool...

[Gumby]

Make a plan to retire early. Spell out when will you retire and how will you put the financial and non-financial pieces in place to achieve that goal. Then, work to that plan. Although you don't need to slavishly adhere to it and can make necessary revisions if events push you off course, you are far more likely to put yourself in the position to retire early if you have a plan than if you don't. (and also more likely to avoid the One More Year syndrome)

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Originally Posted by OldShooter Sounds great! What is this "something" that pays better than stocks? I would like some too.

Lucky for you, I have available, for my friends only, the third tranche of a synthetic CDO that employs Bolivian coca futures as the reference security. It is denominated in Bitcoin. I'm sure you will agree that the substantial return is well worth the negligible risk.

[Offgrid Organic Farmer]

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Originally Posted by OldShooter Sounds great! What is this "something" that pays better than stocks? I would like some too.

I began investing in Rental Real Estate in 1985. The last year that I paid into Income Taxation.

The tax-sheltering of Rental Real Estate sheltered my salary income until I retired at 42, in 2001.

I have been enjoying my retirement the past 19 years, kind of wondering what it is going to be like when I reach SS age.

In 2016, we bought another Rental Real Estate property, so far it is paying 13%. We do not have this one setup for the tax-sheltering, as my pension income is so low that we no longer need the tax sheltering.

[carnivalday]

I helped a friend of mine open a brokerage account to fund her retirement. I stressed as hard as I could that time was on her side (she started at 50) and she could still retire at 65, but she had to start NOW. She started with dividend stocks, investing $50 a week. I wanted to get her in the habit of paying herself first, so I ragged on her every week "did you buy something this week?" After a few months I pulled away the net, and stopped remind her. She would text me each week when she bought something. Then she'd skip a week. Then another week. Then she stopped.

She's about 58 now, and that account, which is reinvesting dividends, has about $10,000 in it. I cant make her help herself. I thought she had seen what I was able to do, with not being a high earner, and being able to retire at 65. Now she's lost years of saving and compounding, and I worry about her future.

So I would say, whatever you decide to do, start NOW and be consistent. Pay yourself first. Because once you have lost that investment, and that compounding time, you can't get it back.

[Ed_The_Gypsy]

Take charge of your own health. Don't leave it up to your doctors.

[OldShooter]

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Originally Posted by Offgrid Organic Farmer I began investing in Rental Real Estate in 1985. The last year that I paid into Income Taxation. The tax-sheltering of Rental Real Estate sheltered my salary income until I retired at 42, in 2001. I have been enjoying my retirement the past 19 years, kind of wondering what it is going to be like when I reach SS age. In 2016, we bought another Rental Real Estate property, so far it is paying 13%. We do not have this one setup for the tax-sheltering, as my pension income is so low that we no longer need the tax sheltering.

I'll agree that actively managed, leveraged real estate has the potential to beat stocks. In 1985 when you got in, I had already been a landlord for about 15 years. I got out around 1994. Too much hassle and really not as good a deal after the tax reform act of 1986 limited depreciation deductions. Depreciation recapture is waiting in the weeds at sell time too.

Another thing that will beat stocks is buildig and running a successful business, but I guess I implicitly assumed that we were talking about passive investments here; stocks, bonds, and CDOs that employ Bolivian coca futures as the reference security.

[Enuff2Eat]

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Originally Posted by Gallaher Invest in stocks

you mean buy stocks at 55? sound vague

[Enuff2Eat]

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Originally Posted by OldShooter I'll agree that actively managed, leveraged real estate has the potential to beat stocks. In 1985 when you got in, I had already been a landlord for about 15 years. I got out around 1994. Too much hassle and really not as good a deal after the tax reform act of 1986 limited depreciation deductions. Depreciation recapture is waiting in the weeds at sell time too. Another thing that will beat stocks is buildig and running a successful business, but I guess I implicitly assumed that we were talking about passive investments here; stocks, bonds, and CDOs that employ Bolivian coca futures as the reference security.

thanks... retire from a job then building a successful business?

[RAE]

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Originally Posted by Ed_The_Gypsy Take charge of your own health. Don't leave it up to your doctors.

+1000. This is probably the most valuable piece of advice of all, IMO. Doctors are great for some things, but there is so much you can do/learn on your own to help you stay healthy and avoid chronic health issues.

I wish I would have started paying more attention to my health and fitness before I retired. I'm relatively healthy and fit now (at age 65), but I had a fair amount of "catch-up" work to do after I retired 10 years ago to get this way. It would have been better if I had started making some diet and lifestyle changes at an earlier age.

[kgtest]

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Originally Posted by Rianne Trust your own happiness. I started feeling useless a few weeks back. Especially with this Covid thing. I was thinking “how am I contributing to the betterment of the world or society?” You know what? Take care of yourself. Be pleasant and kind to others. Enjoy your days to the best of your abilities. Accept what you cannot change and change what you can or the serenity prayer. Enjoy nature. Smile under your mask...it shows in your cheeks.

Sage advice from everyone but you touched on something. A good childhood friend just released a childrens book titled "Little Things" and it truly is about the little things in life. Watching children brings me back down to reality and away from the noise, because if you see...they enjoy the littlest of things, it will make thier day. Find the little things you enjoy in life and embrace those. IT likely will be something from your child hood.

Also, the don'ts as much as do's.

Don't... be complacent with your investing choices or complete lack of involvement

Don't sell unless you understand your liabilities of that sale

Don't ever pay retail, find it cheaper, refurbed, used, or a lesser product that accomplishes the same. No teenager needs a $1k iphone every year.

Don't listen to the news...I mean don't ACT on the news...unless you understand the consequences. A lot of talkers out their...well, talkin.

[Ablatus]

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Originally Posted by Enuff2Eat Dream is free. Wishful thinking for me to retire early now. Anyhow, please give us your advice, share your experiences, mistake, things you wouldn't do it again, or anything you can think of so we can learn and mentally prepare to exit our working life. Enuff

Travel NOW! Read books NOW! Moving gets harder and your sight gets worse! Do not buy things besides a car that gets you here to there and a house that keeps you safe! Recycle by buying used things! Used everything! Even better, Buy experiences! Read "The Joy of Tiding" by Marie Kondo and don't chase the market. Vanguard mutual funds and move to Admiral Shares when it grows. Ditch cable. Quit any excessive habits: smoking, drinking, drugs and gambling. Get professional help now if you have any issues, and Choose a health plan that has a HSA so you can max it out every year as an extra kind of IRA to use on all Health Expenses at 65. Took me a lot of wrong turns but I'm pretty comfortable, now. My2cents

[Dash man]

Don’t forget to give back. If you’ve done well in life, try to plan a certain amount of giving each month or year. There are many folks out there not as fortunate as we are.

[travelover]

Eat your vegetables, say your prayers, wash behind your ears.

[2177V]

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Originally Posted by Enuff2Eat Dream is free. Wishful thinking for me to retire early now. Anyhow, please give us your advice, share your experiences, mistake, things you wouldn't do it again, or anything you can think of so we can learn and mentally prepare to exit our working life. Enuff

Best advice: People who dream about FIRE are likely unhappy with their job. Solution: Acquire new job skills and change your job.

I would acquire multiple jobs skills by changing jobs or attending classes after work. With multiple job skills, I can change change jobs easier. After 5 years in a job, my learning curve tends to flatten.

Anytime I did not like my supervisor or my job, I quit in a heartbeat and got another job to my liking. As a result, I worked for 44 years with jobs that I really enjoyed. I also have financial security and I never fret about money.

If you retire early, you have to worry about inflation, about your investments, about running out of money, etc which can be avoided by making the right career choices.

The best thing that happened to me is when I got laid off. I realized that my job skills were limited. After going back to school to acquire new job skills, I decided to acquire even more job skills to protect myself in the future and get a job that I really like instead of a job that just bring home a paycheck. Your best investment is in yourself.

The thrill that I got by telling a supervisor that I got a better job somewhere else is priceless. You control your own destiny but you have to take the initiative.

[timbervest]

My advice for any young person:

1. Travel. Those who waited until now to take that "trip of a lifetime" can't because of travel restrictions. Travel for experience is a great investment especially if you can do it with your kids. Build memories.

2. Don't be linear. Don't build a career based on a straight line just because you need to do things the way everyone else tells you you have to. "Retire" several times before you do it permanently.

3. Work to live don't live to work.


And of course: LBYM, pay yourself first, don't invest on whim, and don't think you are smarter than everyone else cuz yer not.

[Navigator]

The best advice I ever received was to have a low tolerance for passionless living. In my mind, the reasons to retire early is so that you can do the things that are important to you. It’s good to remember, though, that you don’t have to retire to start doing the things that are important.

[Mr._Graybeard]

Seek out some adventure in your life while you're young. Live/work abroad if you can.

[HI Bill]

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Originally Posted by Offgrid Organic Farmer hmm, I do not know about all that. My money is totally in tax-shelters. I have not paid into Income Taxation since 1985, paying taxes would ruin me. Or else invest in something that pays better and keeps you sheltered from taxes.

Your money is not in tax-sheltered accounts, it's in tax-sheltered investments (real estate). Big difference. If one wants to RE, and has most/all of his/her assets in tax-deferred accounts, there may be no way to generate the income needed to RE, without paying penalties on early distributions. A problem many here learned far too late. 72t only takes you so far, and most here would need at least $3M invested in tax-sheltered accounts to be able to FIRE under 72t and maintain their desired lifestyle. I have 1/3 of my assets in taxable accounts, and my plan is to manage income in such a way that I pay no to very little federal taxes from 55 to 59.5, while maintaining a $120K annual income stream. It's easily possible with diversified taxable accounts in MFs or ETFs. As the years after 59.5 roll by, the LTCGs on taxable accounts will have been mostly realized, and I'll focus on selling as many tax-deferred assets as possible (while staying in a low tax bracket) prior to SS and RMDs.

Offgrid - in your case, you're deferring taxes. When you sell your properties, you might have to pay capital gains on your profits (this is super common in high-appreciation metro areas); if you're in rural America, you may slide with little appreciation and little taxes.