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Yes but three-buck price droped to two-buck and a half recently (at least in Oregon).
I always look at these type of lists with a skeptical eye. There are many factors with expat living that make a list like this useless without factoring personal tolerances and flexibility (or lack of).
For most of us I think the best first decision is to first ask:
1. What are you seeking really by planning to retire overseas? If it is perceived lower costs, remember that may be true only if you ( and your spouse) are willing to accept much higher convenience costs.
2. If it is for the experience and adventure - good for you! However I suggest you start with identifying a continent of preference and reviewing the common issues there before being overly concerned about a specific country on a list. For example, if central Europe how will your U.S. Dollar retirement fare in Euro-land? If South America or Asia, how patient are you with inefficiencies?
3. Don't underestimate the importance of knowing the local language. If someone tells you it is not required, don't buy it unless you want to live in somewhat isolation and forgo much of the richness of the people and culture.
4. Travel and rent first always, several month minimum in any place you are seriously considering. Use the time to seriously evaluate your personal aggravation factor, experiences with local food shopping, medical, and true security issues (on security do not believe what you read, it can easily be much better or worse than outward appearances!)
5. If either of you have any somewhat serious medical needs, don't go. Medical care is really better in the States than the majority of places in the world, including Europe or the UK.
Remember that there is a big difference between those expats living overseas for work, and those retired. The former (in fair disclosure I am one of these) have a built-in support structure, the latter do not. Big difference. Don't be discouraged, just careful!
Been working and living overseas on 3 different continents for the last 15 years, and speak 3 languages. Trust me - nothing beats the USA (although Australia sure is nice - aside from the cost of living).
Are you counting Strang as one of your languages?
I have a little mud on my boots, too, and do not disagree with you at all. Our first choice is to stay where we are (Bellingham, Washington).
I am compelled to have a Plan B, however, since realizing about 15 years ago that we were not going to have enough money to retire in safety, much less comfort in the US. Since then, our circumstances have improved, costs elsewhere have risen, and I am finding that age is going to shut us out of many of the foreign health care arrangements I had been investigating (age limits seldom come up in such discussions until you get there ). Expatriation is still an option but the choices are more limited than they were in the beginning. With luck, we won't be forced to go anywhere.
Yes but three-buck price dropped to two-buck and a half recently (at least in Oregon).
I'll need to add this to my total state tax spreadsheet. What's up with AL & GA?
I've spent the better part of the last fifteen years outside the US, and I respectfully disagree. I think there are several places in the world that rival, and even surpass many parts of the US in many respects, even health care, except maybe for extremely specialized/chronic conditions.
from SpencerM post. Last time I checked, the UK was a member of the EU.Europe or the UK.
Malaysia - you sound like a friend of mine currently in Nigeria. Agree, Malaysia or Thailand would be great place to retire (been there done that), but I am married, and intend to stay that way !
I would imagine their dining out options would be pretty much limited to Asian food. The place I choose for retirement needs to have good pizza readily available, as well as very low property taxes.
mmgoebe said:Malaysia - you sound like a friend of mine currently in Nigeria. Agree, Malaysia or Thailand would be great place to retire (been there done that), but I am married, and intend to stay that way !
Bottom line: the best place to retire is different for everyone. Thank goodness we don't all want to go to the same place! What's most important in finding balance and a new place to center your attention after letting go of the work a day world. DH and I recently downsized from a big house to a modest home. Our cats approve of the change so it must be ok
Bottom line: the best place to retire is different for everyone. Thank goodness we don't all want to go to the same place! What's most important in finding balance and a new place to center your attention after letting go of the work a day world. DH and I recently downsized from a big house to a modest home. Our cats approve of the change so it must be ok
I think New Orleans would be a great place to retire, for all the reasons you mention plus your music is in a class all by itself and there are small places with great bands all over.+2 Retirement is a marvelous adventure. What will make one person/couple happy, may not be the same for another person/couple. Some locations that others choose do not sound like places that a red-white-and-blue cheapskate like me would like at all, especially the foreign locations or those domestic coastal places with high cost of living.
As an aside, I am surprised and pleased with how well our home, New Orleans, has been working out as a retirement location for us so far. This is not supposed to be a popular retirement location at all! But there's always a parade, city-wide party, or something else to do or go to if we want. We love the restaurants here, antique shops, and our gym and other local establishments. The people our age here are beyond compatible, and I think many are almost national treasures. We have not had any hurricanes since retirement either although that aspect is a gamble. We may still move to Springfield one day, but meanwhile we are very happy here.
I think New Orleans would be a great palce to retire, for all the reasons you mention. For me in particular, it would be too hot too often, and I think I am more comfortable with the small annual chance of a giant earthquake burying me, than I would be with the more frequent hassle of trying to avoid being blown or floated away.
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As an aside, I am surprised and pleased with how well our home, New Orleans, has been working out as a retirement location for us so far. .
How warm does it get where you live Ha? You sound as you would hate the heat and humidity we have in the deep south. I do not think anyone likes it but its what we are used to. Having put up with this weather for many years I guess this is where I will die. I would love some of those 50 something days here in July though. oldtrigI think New Orleans would be a great place to retire, for all the reasons you mention plus your music is in a class all by itself and there are small places with great bands all over.
But for me in particular, it would be too hot too often, as I start getting pretty warm once the thermometer climbs over the low 50s. And I think I am more comfortable with the small annual chance of a giant earthquake burying me, than I would be with the more frequent hassle of trying to avoid being blown or floated away.
Ha
It can get downright hot for maybe a week in summer, but mostly one always wants a sweater or jacket on summer nights. A day like today in early April we never got to 50. Here is a chart that shows monthly average highs and lows and means. Our greatest humidity is in winter, on warm days and in summer it tends to be dry. Winters are rainy, summers dry.How warm does it get where you live Ha? You sound as you would hate the heat and humidity we have in the deep south. I do not think anyone likes it but its what we are used to. Having put up with this weather for many years I guess this is where I will die. I would love some of those 50 something days here in July though. oldtrig
I think New Orleans would be a great place to retire, for all the reasons you mention plus your music is in a class all by itself and there are small places with great bands all over.
But for me in particular, it would be too hot too often, as I start getting pretty wwarm once teh thermometer climbs over the low 50s. And I think I am more comfortable with the small annual chance of a giant earthquake burying me, than I would be with the more frequent hassle of trying to avoid being blown or floated away.
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Exactly! For me, the heat and humidity seem bearable for some reason. Air conditioning and becoming acclimated after living here for so many years both seem to help. The chance of another Katrina is pretty scary, and we still might move some day. But meanwhile the horrific memories of that time are receding and we are having a lot of fun here.
But for me in particular, it would be too hot too often, as I start getting pretty wwarm once teh thermometer climbs over the low 50s.
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+2 Retirement is a marvelous adventure. What will make one person/couple happy, may not be the same for another person/couple. Some locations that others choose do not sound like places that a red-white-and-blue cheapskate like me would like at all, especially the foreign locations or those domestic coastal places with high cost of living.
As an aside, I am surprised and pleased with how well our home, New Orleans, has been working out as a retirement location for us so far. This is not supposed to be a popular retirement location at all! But there's always a parade, city-wide party, or something else to do or go to if we want. We love the restaurants here, antique shops, and our gym and other local establishments. The people our age here are beyond compatible, and I think many are almost national treasures. We have not had any hurricanes since retirement either although that aspect is a gamble. We may still move to Springfield one day, but meanwhile we are very happy here.
You need to stay right where you are. IMHO it doesn't get any better than you describe. Having good friends / neighbors might be a once in a lifetime thing.
A hurricane is just a mixed drink?
So, for how many centuries has New Orleans been cleaning up its police force? Since Jean Lafitte?We are having such fun here, and do tentatively plan to stay. Two of our main concerns were crime and hurricanes. Lately local law enforcement has stepped up their efforts in response to community outrage, so it will be interesting to see if that helps at all.
So, for how many centuries has New Orleans been cleaning up its police force? Since Jean Lafitte?
I certainly admire people who are bold and free spirits to move and retire out of the country. However, I know no foriegn languages and have no desire to learn a new language and culture. What I dont understand are the expats who would bother to move out of country only to live in a clustered compound of fellow expats, unless their healthcare is unaffordable here. Might as well stay in the US as we have every type of climate somewhere in the 50 states or territories.