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Old 12-22-2020, 09:36 AM   #621
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I get the overtipping during covid and have dome some of that myself, but will this shift expectations, on both our part and their part, permanently? Will we know when to dial back?
Does it matter if you can afford it?
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Old 12-22-2020, 10:18 AM   #622
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If your wife is a serious birder and will still do it for years, then it’s absolutely worth spending $2000-3000 on the best optics. Easily justified by spending many hours of your life out birding.

I had birdied several years and dropped and damaged a very nice pair of Nikons, when I realized that since we were traveling many trips and spending hour birding in exotic locales, it was time to get the best bins. It was one of the best decisions I ever made - the bright, clear, undistorted images gave me a great deal of pleasure. So much easier to find the bird! Great low light performance. Easy on the hand.

FWIW Nikon repaired the damaged bins for free, and they got a new home.
Stop it! I just spent $2500 on my teeth with $8-10k still to come.

Yes she is a reasonably serious amateur and in fact we just did our 29th Audubon Christmas bird count this past weekend.
We are both so frugal that I could never imagine spending $3k on binos but I will definitely consider it and slowly work on her.
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What are you saving your money for? What are your priorities?

The Swarovski 8x32 EL bins are “only” $2000 at bhphotovideo.com, a reliable seller.

BTW - I much prefer 8 power for birding - wider field of view, brighter, and most importantly, handshake is not nearly as noticeable.
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I have found I can see a lot more detail with my 8x32 images stabLized Canon binoculars than my handheld 10x42 Fujinons. The image stabilization just makes it so much easier to see details.
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Wow th


ose look fantastic.
Several years ago i bought my wife a nice pair of Vortex Vipers and I thought those were expensive and blowing the dough at $500.
They are very nice and have a fantastic guarantee for life that covers almost everything and don't even require a receipt.
They are a league behind yours but I had a tough time spending the $500 never mind $3000 even though my wife is a fairly serious birder.


What power did you get?
We prefer the 8 x 42 as a good compromise on field of view and magnification.

I got the 8x42's. I have a pair of 10x42 Nikon Monarch 7's so already had that power. The NL Pures are really amazing. FOV is fantastic.
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Yes she is a reasonably serious amateur and in fact we just did our 29th Audubon Christmas bird count this past weekend.
We are both so frugal that I could never imagine spending $3k on binos but I will definitely consider it and slowly work on her.
What are you saving your money for? What are your priorities?

The Swarovski 8x32 EL bins are “only” $2000 at bhphotovideo.com, a reliable seller.

BTW - I much prefer 8 power for birding - wider field of view, brighter, and most importantly, handshake is not nearly as noticeable.
+1. And this is coming from someone who doesn't do birding, and knows next to nothing about binoculars.

I understand the mental block of spending $$$ for something. But if she enjoys this hobby, and spends many, many hours doing it, then won't she get more pleasure from it with a great set of binoculars?

We often see that cartoon of the businessman passing the grave yard captioned "Time > Money". But if you spend some money (that you have!) to improve your time, that can be the greatest of all.

Well, that's how I justify my recent multi-thousand $ drops on my hobbies. Assuming you can afford it, and it's just a mental block, I say go for it. Life is short. Enjoy.

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I gave away my 10 inch Dob, kinda large. Bought a 5 inch Mak for the moon.

But I'm really looking at 4 inch bino's now and 5 inch refractors. Don't tell my wife.

I like optics -
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I can afford it, and I know things have been tough for my barber. Her income has been cut in half, while mine has gone up. I know she appreciates it.
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+1. And this is coming from someone who doesn't do birding, and knows next to nothing about binoculars.

I understand the mental block of spending $$$ for something. But if she enjoys this hobby, and spends many, many hours doing it, then won't she get more pleasure from it with a great set of binoculars?

We often see that cartoon of the businessman passing the grave yard captioned "Time > Money". But if you spend some money (that you have!) to improve your time, that can be the greatest of all.

Well, that's how I justify my recent multi-thousand $ drops on my hobbies. Assuming you can afford it, and it's just a mental block, I say go for it. Life is short. Enjoy.

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Not quite the $ amount of most "Blow that Dough" purchases, but I just paid $145 for a brisket.
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Not quite the $ amount of most "Blow that Dough" purchases, but I just paid $145 for a brisket.
And to think it was once a poor man’s piece of meat!
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Not quite the $ amount of most "Blow that Dough" purchases, but I just paid $145 for a brisket.
If you consider dollars per hour of enjoyment, I'd say that's a pretty big blow.
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Not quite the $ amount of most "Blow that Dough" purchases, but I just paid $145 for a brisket.
Gosh, my 18 pounder from Costco only cost $47, and it was USDA Prime. Did you order from Snake River Farms or something?
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It is a poor man's piece of meat. I'm poor now after I bought it.

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If you consider dollars per hour of enjoyment, I'd say that's a pretty big blow.
Exactly! But when I factor in that I'll be feeding 7 family members on Christmas Day, with some leftovers, it's well worth it. I'm thankful that I can buy a $145 brisket.

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Gosh, my 18 pounder from Costco only cost $47, and it was USDA Prime. Did you order from Snake River Farms or something?
DW special ordered it from a butcher. But like you, I got one last week for $40 something at the local grocery store. We'll see if this one tastes 4 times better than a store bought.
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DH was amazed that the Costco prime brisket was only like $2.36 per pound.

But I think that recent prime brisket was less flavorful than other briskets I’ve done. I’ve had that happen before. I accidentally bought some prime ribeye steaks once instead of my usual HEB “natural Angus”, and they weren’t nearly as flavorful.
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And to think it was once a poor man’s piece of meat!
Apparently so was lobster

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DH was amazed that the Costco prime brisket was only like $2.36 per pound.

But I think that recent prime brisket was less flavorful than other briskets I’ve done. I’ve had that happen before. I accidentally bought some prime ribeye steaks once instead of my usual HEB “natural Angus”, and they weren’t nearly as flavorful.
I only ever smoke brisket, which tends to obscure any differences in the underlying meat itself. I smoked a 1.7 lb piece of brisket on Tuesday. So far, we've had brisket street tacos and and brisket and grilled cheese sandwiches. Still a few little crispy pieces leftover in the fridge to snack on today.

I got a 2.5 lb piece of filet mignon at the butcher counter yesterday (special order). We'll cut off and freeze a couple of steaks, but the young wife will use the majority to make chateaubriand for dinner today.
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That’s what I did - smoke the brisket. But this last one didn’t quite have as intense a beef flavor as I’m used to. I think because it had a higher fat content.
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