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Old 05-17-2021, 03:33 PM   #21
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For bikes and kayaks you don't need a truck -- you're planning to haul only a few hundred pounds at most. A midsized SUV will do the trick, using a roof rack or a small trailer if necessary. You'll save money on the vehicle and on fuel.
Very true. I use my 99 GMC suburban gas guzzler for that purpose. With current prices of used Suburbans, I might just sell it and get a used minivan for my 18 foot, 40lb Kevlar kayak.
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Old 05-17-2021, 03:38 PM   #22
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I’m not the only one, but for me, a SUV has its purpose. We have a highlander and great for trips, but I prefer a truck for day to day use. Just my preference and since I’m buying it…
Absolutely... I have both an SUV and a full size PU and each have their specific and general uses... I'm going to keep two vehicles anyway so I might as well have everything covered.

SUV = Traveling/trips, grocery shopping, dinner with friends, fun/spirited driving

PU = Hauling trash to transfer station, lumber/building materials, towing anything

Pretty much everything else, it's a toss up which vehicle I use.
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Used Tacomas hold their value very very well. So much that you will probably find that better to just buy new unless you look at older than 5 years, probably 10 to get down to what used vehicles more typically cost.
Agree to that. I've been shopping for a new Ranger and concluded I'd pay more for a used one than a new one with minimal frills. I have a deposit in on an XL 4x4 with locking rear diff @ $31,5 plus tax and title. I ordered in February, may see it by July.
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I bought a 2020 Ford F150 STX 2x4 fully loaded with the 2.7 Ecoboost engine. I received a $3,000 off coupon in the mail from Ford. Total cost less taxes was just under $32K.

It's so much more vehicle than the Tacoma that it's not even funny.

0-60 mph in just over 6 seconds and the quarter mile in the low 14's. Averaging 20.5 mpg around town, and it gets 25 mpg @ 65 mph on cruise control. Tacoma's performance and fuel mileage is just not as good with their preferred 6 cylinder motor.

And the F150 is a SuperCrew so it has a back seat with the room of a limo.
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I bought a 2020 Ford F150 STX 2x4 fully loaded with the 2.7 Ecoboost engine. I received a $3,000 off coupon in the mail from Ford. Total cost less taxes was just under $32K.

It's so much more vehicle than the Tacoma that it's not even funny.

0-60 mph in just over 6 seconds and the quarter mile in the low 14's. Averaging 20.5 mpg around town, and it gets 25 mpg @ 65 mph on cruise control. Tacoma's performance and fuel mileage is just not as good with their preferred 6 cylinder motor.

And the F150 is a SuperCrew so it has a back seat with the room of a limo.
You made me look and when I put in AL zip code , the same page comes up with extra offer value. Different pricing for different zip codes. A difference of $1,750 lower.
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Check out the Honda Ridgeline. It's a unibody construction, so not that tough. But it is very versatile with Honda reliability.
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With all the talk of vehicle shortages and high prices, I wonder how long before car theft rates skyrocket? Thinking I need to clean out the garage and park both vehicles inside - a Honda Accord EX and a Lexus RX.

The 2013 Corolla LE is garaged in Arizona. Bought it new on sale in December 2012 for $14,995. Carvana wants to give me $11,288 today, with 44k miles.
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With all the talk of vehicle shortages and high prices, I wonder how long before car theft rates skyrocket? Thinking I need to clean out the garage and park both vehicles inside - a Honda Accord EX and a Lexus RX.

The 2013 Corolla LE is garaged in Arizona. Bought it new on sale in December 2012 for $14,995. Carvana wants to give me $11,288 today, with 44k miles.
Nail down the purchase details for the new vehicle first, then deal with selling the old one...
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Didn't see them mentioned, so I'll throw two more into the mix. Ford will introduce the Maverick soon, and Hyundai already announced the Santa Cruz. These mark the return of small pickups to the US market, which sounds more like what OP needs. I personally just sold my Nissan Frontier in anticipation of buying one of these small trucks. I'm leaning toward the Hyundai, but will wait to see prices and specs on both before I pull the trigger.
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In terms of reliability you cant beat the Tacoma, but they hang on to their value like you wouldn't believe. You're in for some sticker shock I expect.
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In terms of reliability you cant beat the Tacoma, but they hang on to their value like you wouldn't believe. You're in for some sticker shock I expect.
You're absolutely right about the durability. But styling still lacks in comparison with the Ranger & even the GM offerings.

My 2020 F150 STX with the 2.7 Ecoboost was still cheaper than my cousin's 2020 Tacoma. I've got much, much more vehicle--including a back seat as large as a limo's.

Because something's mid size doesn't mean it's a best value.
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Yeh well, I don't own an SUV myself. I have a Ranger FX4 that tows 2,500-3,000 lbs fairly regularly. Otherwise I drive a sedan as the Ranger gets 16 mpg.

For the OP's purpose, a truck seems like overkill and an SUV/van would be more efficient.
Ugh on the Rangers mileage. My 2015 F-150 3.5L Eco-boost has averaged right around 20MPG+ over its life (65K miles). Most of that is not towing, but a considerable amount of mileage is with winter snow tires + 400# over the back axle, and some of it is w/the truck full of wood or pulling my L-Series Kabuto on a 20' trailer.

I'm just mentioning this because the newer trucks (including mine with > 2000 # payload and capable of trailering 10K#) have improved mileage.

And yes, I agree, for the OP's use case a truck seems like overkill.
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Didn't see them mentioned, so I'll throw two more into the mix. Ford will introduce the Maverick soon, and Hyundai already announced the Santa Cruz. These mark the return of small pickups to the US market, which sounds more like what OP needs. I personally just sold my Nissan Frontier in anticipation of buying one of these small trucks. I'm leaning toward the Hyundai, but will wait to see prices and specs on both before I pull the trigger.
Although I already own a truck (F150), a (now) vintage car (94 Camaro Z28), an old Subaru, I have this perverse, unexplainable desire to seriously check these "mini" trucks out. I have no use case for them (well, I guess I could pretend to tell myself that it would provide the same functionality as my Outback), but I can't stop myself from looking at articles on them.

It's not a new thing - while I never bought one I always had the same weird fascination with the Subaru Baja.
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Ugh on the Rangers mileage. My 2015 F-150 3.5L Eco-boost has averaged right around 20MPG+ over its life (65K miles). Most of that is not towing, but a considerable amount of mileage is with winter snow tires + 400# over the back axle, and some of it is w/the truck full of wood or pulling my L-Series Kabuto on a 20' trailer.

I'm just mentioning this because the newer trucks (including mine with > 2000 # payload and capable of trailering 10K#) have improved mileage.

And yes, I agree, for the OP's use case a truck seems like overkill.
Ford's 4.0 SOHC engine was never known for economy. It has its faults, but it's reliable and long-lived if treated properly.

Direct injection with turbo has entirely changed the game over the last half dozen years or so. In 2019 DW and I rented a Fusion AWD with (IIRC) a 2.7 liter Ecoboost, and I was surprised to find that its passing power was equal to my '95 BMW 540i -- a car with respectable punch in its day.

If I were still driving 30K miles a year I'd be a little wary of GDI engine longevity. I know some makes have had trouble with high-pressure fuel pumps, oil dilution and, in Ford's case, head gaskets. But I don't drive that much anymore, so my next vehicle will probably be an Ecoboost.
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I've had five new Toyota's between ~2008 and 2015.... Tundra's and Sequoia's and all 4x4's. Never had any trouble with any of them. Good reliable vehicles. The Tundra's and Sequoia's were "assembled" here in the US... I think many Tacoma's are too. Note, a Tacoma is considered a mid size pickup, nothing wrong with that unless you plan on heavier towing or needing a lot of power.
They have also had significant frame rust issues, too...of course Toyota tried to cover it up.
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Op, I bought a new Tacoma 3 years ago. I had planned to buy used. But, the used prices appeared high. I made a spreadsheet comparing new vs. used figuring I would drive both for 250k total miles. By the time I adjusted the used vehicles for their current miles, the new vehicles where cheaper per mile. Total price was higher for new but the cost per mile was lower. See, you can go get a new truck!
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Ford's 4.0 SOHC engine was never known for economy. It has its faults, but it's reliable and long-lived if treated properly.

Direct injection with turbo has entirely changed the game over the last half dozen years or so. In 2019 DW and I rented a Fusion AWD with (IIRC) a 2.7 liter Ecoboost, and I was surprised to find that its passing power was equal to my '95 BMW 540i -- a car with respectable punch in its day.

If I were still driving 30K miles a year I'd be a little wary of GDI engine longevity. I know some makes have had trouble with high-pressure fuel pumps, oil dilution and, in Ford's case, head gaskets. But I don't drive that much anymore, so my next vehicle will probably be an Ecoboost.
I was initially hesitant to go 3.5L twin-turbo (eco-boost) vs traditional V8. But the more I read the better I felt about it. I was also helped by a sample of one, my nephew has a 20113.5L Eco-boost and had (at the time I bought my 2015) 110K miles on it. Hard miles as the family has a farm and he is continually hauling things with it. He now has north of 200K on it, still going strong.

Like you, I'm not doing that kind of mileage, more in the 13K/year range on my truck. (It was even lower but has been increasing lately because my child is away at school so I've made a number of trips).
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They have also had significant frame rust issues, too...of course Toyota tried to cover it up.
I really can't speak to that since I never saw it... Could be that I didn't keep any of them long enough to develop rust problems.
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They have also had significant frame rust issues, too...of course Toyota tried to cover it up.
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Toyota had a recall for 2004-2010 Tacos...they replaced the entire frame.
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