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Old 04-22-2020, 06:57 PM   #21
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.... IIRC, it regularly was ranked the 48th poorest state in the nation.

When I lived in NM there was a saying "Thank goodness for Mississippi". Because on all the various subject rating lists, MS was almost always worse than NM.
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:42 PM   #22
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LOL - that's right! I'd forgotten.

I had such a nice life there - just goes to show how varied one's experience of a place can be!

I'm sure there are people who love Mississippi.
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DW and I retired to NM. When I retired, DW wanted to move to NM. It was part of the deal: we moved multiple times for my work, and DW got to pick the retirement spot. She was from ABQ, and we retired to NM. We previously lived in every western state except NM (including AK), and moved to NM from Colorado. So far it's been great, and compares well to the other rural intermountain states. There are seasons here without being a lot of snow. Yes, statistically the property crime is high in NM, but everywhere I ever lived, including rural Idaho and SW colorado, had property crime. I view the property crime in NM the way people in Houston TX viewed murders when I lived there: it depends upon where you are, when you are there, and who you are with. The statistical poorness of the state probably has to do with the large number of Native Pueblos and reservations. The rest of the state is no different than Idaho or Nevada that is not Clark County. If you ever watched the local news in rural towns like Billings, Grand Junction, or Twin Falls, the ABQ newscasts are not that much different. There is not a lot going on in NM.

We like NM just fine. The people are friendly, the COL is good. We used our money from the sale of a house in Colorado and purchased a larger house for less money in NM.
Our car insurance (and umbrella insurance) went down when we moved to NM from the Denver area. The weather is great, and we are still live at 5000 ft, in a dry climate which is our preferred environment. NM is a little backward compared to AZ, TX, and CO which is just great with me. We didn't want a big pushy AZ, CO, or TX environment to retire to. NM society is not pushy.

The choice between the California coast and an intermountain state like NM is quite stark, even if you pick one of the trendy glamorous intermountain towns like Sedona, Santa Fe, or Colorado's Roaring Fork Valley. Totally different cultural and social environments. You probably should do some extended visiting to the various places first.
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Old 04-22-2020, 08:21 PM   #24
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DW and I retired to NM. When I retired, DW wanted to move to NM. It was part of the deal: we moved multiple times for my work, and DW got to pick the retirement spot. She was from ABQ, and we retired to NM. We previously lived in every western state except NM (including AK), and moved to NM from Colorado. So far it's been great, and compares well to the other rural intermountain states. There are seasons here without being a lot of snow. Yes, statistically the property crime is high in NM, but everywhere I ever lived, including rural Idaho and SW colorado, had property crime. I view the property crime in NM the way people in Houston TX viewed murders when I lived there: it depends upon where you are, when you are there, and who you are with. The statistical poorness of the state probably has to do with the large number of Native Pueblos and reservations. The rest of the state is no different than Idaho or Nevada that is not Clark County. If you ever watched the local news in rural towns like Billings, Grand Junction, or Twin Falls, the ABQ newscasts are not that much different. There is not a lot going on in NM.

We like NM just fine. The people are friendly, the COL is good. We used our money from the sale of a house in Colorado and purchased a larger house for less money in NM.
Our car insurance (and umbrella insurance) went down when we moved to NM from the Denver area. The weather is great, and we are still live at 5000 ft, in a dry climate which is our preferred environment. NM is a little backward compared to AZ, TX, and CO which is just great with me. We didn't want a big pushy AZ, CO, or TX environment to retire to. NM society is not pushy.

The choice between the California coast and an intermountain state like NM is quite stark, even if you pick one of the trendy glamorous intermountain towns like Sedona, Santa Fe, or Colorado's Roaring Fork Valley. Totally different cultural and social environments. You probably should do some extended visiting to the various places first.
How would you describe big and pushy? I find that an interesting comment.
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Now it has a lot of crime, gangs, and is probably the heroin capitol of the US, sadly.
Not quite. I believe the OP lives in Ohio (for now) which actually has about double the opioid overdose incidence of NM.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abus...aries-by-state

So, not wanting to paint with too broad a brush, but it appears lots of people find a way to live amid the dark side of their respective states and sometimes, states get a bum rap on some stuff.
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I also found NM to be laid back and I thoroughly enjoyed this vibe.

It was siesta and manana (oops, can't find a tilde) in a gracious way
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Not quite. I believe the OP lives in Ohio (for now) which actually has about double the opioid overdose incidence of NM.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abus...aries-by-state

So, not wanting to paint with too broad a brush, but it appears lots of people find a way to live amid the dark side of their respective states and sometimes, states get a bum rap on some stuff.


Yeah, NM is no longer #1. Sadly Ohio just got much worse to claim the top spot :-(

https://www.drugabuse.gov/opioid-sum...-related-harms
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I grew up in ABQ and spent lots of my adult life going back to visit my brothers and parents until 2010 when my dad died. There seems to be lots of crime, even in upscale areas like where my parents lived. My brother worked in the DAís office in juvenile crime for a number of years. He had so many gruesome cases against seniors that we tried to get our parents to move to Texas, to no avail.

Another brother moved to Glendale, CA last year from a Santa Fe, because their home in an exclusive community was burglarized 5 times in a year. And many times in previous years. Anyway, Iím just saying I wouldnít move there, as much as I like the scenery.
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LOL - that's right! I'd forgotten.

I had such a nice life there - just goes to show how varied one's experience of a place can be!

I'm sure there are people who love Mississippi.
I love Mississippi! Different strokes for different folks I guess.
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Avoid ABQ at all costs. I visited NW ABQ many times around the Intel plant (zip codes 87124 & 87144) and once considered retiring there.... but the crime rate is VERY HIGH. Everyone who works there has bad stories. Huge meth and heroin problems, terrible economy. Last visited in 2019 -- never again. Intel plant has laid off most staff and is likely closing which will wreck Rio Ranch economy (87124). Santa Fe is possibility. Los Alamos area has very high cancer rates. Espanola has cheap meth & heroin. Las Cruces = third world. The "Land of Enchantment" is pretty but also pretty hopeless.
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Wow, looks like the general consensus is stay away unless I like crime (and I don’t)! Thanks!
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Yeah, NM is no longer #1. Sadly Ohio just got much worse to claim the top spot :-(

https://www.drugabuse.gov/opioid-sum...-related-harms
I do live in OH for now, and am totally oblivious to the opioid epidemic. I guess Iím too huddled up in my house trying to hide from Mr. Coronavirus to notice any opioid addicts running around. When I do go out, Iím focused on keeping away from the disrespectful cyclists and runners who donít seem to care about social distancing
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Haven't lived in NM but have visited Las Cruces many times and like it. Smaller college town compared to Albuquerque, not sure about crime but always felt safe there, real estate prices are reasonable.
On my list of places to visit. It was going to be this summer (a multi-week trip wandering around the Southwest), but ...
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Have you thought of living overseas? No idea about NM but if you love the sea and want that to be in your daily life but can't afford or accept the taxes, medical costs, etc. in Calif/West Coast (who can??) why not try an overseas destination? I live in Vietnam by the sea, the cost of living is lower than you can imagine, no taxes to speak of and plenty of other benefits. S. America has a lot of interesting choices too and much closer to home. Expand your horizon, you might just find exactly what you are looking for...
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You definitely wouldnít like the storms in Texas, especially during tornado season. Lightning is the least of your concerns during a tornado warning
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DW and I retired to NM. When I retired, DW wanted to move to NM. It was part of the deal: we moved multiple times for my work, and DW got to pick the retirement spot. She was from ABQ, and we retired to NM. We previously lived in every western state except NM (including AK), and moved to NM from Colorado. So far it's been great, and compares well to the other rural intermountain states. There are seasons here without being a lot of snow. Yes, statistically the property crime is high in NM, but everywhere I ever lived, including rural Idaho and SW colorado, had property crime. I view the property crime in NM the way people in Houston TX viewed murders when I lived there: it depends upon where you are, when you are there, and who you are with. The statistical poorness of the state probably has to do with the large number of Native Pueblos and reservations. The rest of the state is no different than Idaho or Nevada that is not Clark County. If you ever watched the local news in rural towns like Billings, Grand Junction, or Twin Falls, the ABQ newscasts are not that much different. There is not a lot going on in NM.

We like NM just fine. The people are friendly, the COL is good. We used our money from the sale of a house in Colorado and purchased a larger house for less money in NM.
Our car insurance (and umbrella insurance) went down when we moved to NM from the Denver area. The weather is great, and we are still live at 5000 ft, in a dry climate which is our preferred environment. NM is a little backward compared to AZ, TX, and CO which is just great with me. We didn't want a big pushy AZ, CO, or TX environment to retire to. NM society is not pushy.

The choice between the California coast and an intermountain state like NM is quite stark, even if you pick one of the trendy glamorous intermountain towns like Sedona, Santa Fe, or Colorado's Roaring Fork Valley. Totally different cultural and social environments. You probably should do some extended visiting to the various places first.
+1. This is the most realistic take on NM in my opinion. I lived in ABQ beginning in 2003 for 5 years. My brother still lives there with his 4 kids and my Mom retired there from MD. It's a low COL area and you get a lot of bang for your buck on houses. Very outdoorsy and beautiful views, especially sunsets. Sandia mountains are pretty big and impressive. I mountain bike and the trails in the foothills were great. Love the laid back vibe of the place. The only thing for me is I'm single and I don't think it's that great for a single person. I hear the crime is high there but I never had any problems nor know anyone who has. SW ABQ is the poorest part. It is a love or hate place but, just like someone posted before, it fills my soul.
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My family moved to ABQ in 1963 when I was in 5th grade, and I left after graduating from UNM. My sister is still in ABQ (NE Heights), a friend is in the process of moving from the West Mesa into the northern NE Heights (he's bought the new place but the loan for the buyer of his old house got stalled in the virus commotion) and my mom lives in the Belen/Los Lunas area south of town towards Socorro.


So keep in mind I left in 1976. I liked New Mexico, and it was hard to get used to living in northern Louisiana for a couple of years because it was too green. Compared to here in San Francisco (since 1979) ABQ gets hotter and colder and windier and dustier. I always enjoyed the thunderstorms.


Traffic appears to be horrible. My friend was commuting for a couple of years recently from the West Mesa to Kirtland AFB for a contract job, and the commute traffic going from one side of town to the other was a nightmare. My mom still goes into ABQ for an occasional doctor appt and says that coming from the south of town the traffic is also bad on that side.


I can't address the crime, but it sounds like the ABQ PD and Bernalillo Co Sheriffs have a known rep for shooting first and asking questions about innocence later. I think they've been under DoJ monitoring for that, and from news articles I've seen small-town cops in other parts of the state can be just as bad.


10 or 15 years ago on a visit there I talked to a ranger at one of the state parks near the Rio Grande. I asked what the water situation was, and I was told that the fossil aquifers were being drained very quickly and replenishment was not happening. My mom lives on Ag land on the outskirts of her town and uses irrigation for hay crops, and that water is in demand and it sounds like the quantities available are diminishing.


From what my friend told me house prices look to be 1/5th of what they are here in my area of San Francisco, but then that is true of a lot of places. He's not had much good to say about the economy.



There is a lot of beautiful country in the state and you don't get the cold/snow of the northern Great Plains or the heat of PHX or LV. You will probably replace a windshield now and then due to sandblasting by the windstorms. I'd much rather live in NM than the South/MidWest where the humidity is so stifling. As mentioned, a swamp cooler can do the job in the summer (unless you like it really cold in the house) and for probably a lot less expense than refrigerated A/C.



ABQ is very sprawled now compared to when I left. My friend's new place is miles from the city limits, and near where I and others used to ride our dirt bikes in the early 1970s, unloading at the north edge of town.


Socorro can get very hot. It and Portales have small colleges which can be a plus. If you are into rockhounding there's lots of chances for that, and the college at Socorro has a state geology office and museum there and if you are passing through that is worth a couple hour visit if you like that kind of thing.


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