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[REWahoo]

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Originally Posted by Art DO THIS NOW: Go to www.DrDavesBest.com and order a couple of bottles of his pharmaceutical grade fish oil- take 6-10 capsules a day.

Might want to read this first...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...fish-oil_x.htm

REW

[Art]

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Originally Posted by REWahoo! Might want to read this first... http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...fish-oil_x.htm REW

Fascinating. I'll email this to Dr. Dave and report back his response. He has used IV fish oil in hospital ICUs to successfully treat arrythmias (I'm sure I spelled this correctly).

My first question is- what quality of fish oil did they use?

Good info, thanks.

[haha]

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Originally Posted by REWahoo! Might want to read this first... http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...fish-oil_x.htm

I hope this gets wide play. It might help me buy my salmon steaks a bit cheaper.

Hah

[razztazz]

Fish earl also causes spontaneous brain bleeding. It's a blood thinner with no dose control protocol. I am already on medication that thins my blood as a side-effect. Also, if you get a headache and take aspirin.. more blood thinning. I don't need any more stuff thinning my blood.

I've read the same side effect, blood thinning, listed on the bottles of many of these "herbal" "natural" "homeopathic" type potions.

And the doses they prescribe are outrageous. Just a way to make you piss away more money faster on the stuff.

The "natural cure" industry sounds to me just like the traditional medical industry and the way they hawk all manner of pills that are supposed to help ...."something"... something we didnt know we suffered from and that ONLY recently has been declared a threat that needs to be treated. They are just appealing to a different audience

[moghopper]

[cute fuzzy bunny]

As with anything, pick a product or topic and somebody will hate it, a study will say it will kill you or at least cause sterility, and somebody here will be a self-professed expert for one side, the other, or both...

[Art]

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Originally Posted by razztazz Fish earl also causes spontaneous brain bleeding. It's a blood thinner with no dose control protocol. I am already on medication that thins my blood as a side-effect. Also, if you get a headache and take aspirin.. more blood thinning. I don't need any more stuff thinning my blood.

Razz, I'm no fish oil expert. But I can tell you this...

UCSF Anti-Coagulation Dept. just started me on warfarin (7.5mg) due to my high proteinuria (17g/24h). I also take aspirin. They asked me all the Rx and non Rx drugs, vitamins, minerals I take- and I specifically asked if the 6-10 g/day fish oil would be a problem- and she said no, but if I had signs of bleeding, we'd stop the fish oil. She was not so worried about my large fish oil intake to reduce it or stop it up front.

I treat your concerns with great respect, and if I were you- maybe I'd do the same thing. But I have a feeling that your info on fish oil may not be entirely accurate... I don't know. I retract my order for you to take fish oil, but I still think it might be interesting for you to go to the site I mentioned, read more (he's got peer-reviewed references in bulk), and maybe even email him.

Obviously, your situation is very serious. I am convinced that for most people on statins, quality fish oil should be taken to minimize known side effects- ditto CoQ10.

As for the hilarious, clever poster who entered the snake oil cartoon above- attaboy!
You, sir, are a bleepin' comic genius!

[HFWR]

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Originally Posted by moghopper

I'd bet John Hartford is smiling down from heaven!!

"the houses and the streets runnin' here and there,
like a crossword puzzle on the landscape.
Looks like a 'lectric shaver now
where the courthouse used to be.
The grass is all synthetic,
And we ain't really sure about the food.
The only thing that we're sure about
Is those steamboat whistle blues..."

[Art]

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Originally Posted by Art I'll email this to Dr. Dave and report back his response. He has used IV fish oil in hospital ICUs to successfully treat arrythmias (I'm sure I spelled this correctly).

REWahoo, just got this email from Dr. Dave:

Hi Art sorry I was unable to open your link to find out what it was about but I suspect you sent me the link to an article about fish oil and defibrilltors not being a good mix. If that is the case the lead article was in Jama and flies directly in the face of last years New england Journal article that showed that fish oil reduces the need for defibrillators by decrease V fib.

The Journal article got almost no air play except for me. the Jama article is all over the news all over the world.

AS soon as I saw the word" Jama" I knew it would be a negative article They are so deeply in bed with the pharmaceutical companies that support them that they only print negative articles when it comes to Alternative medicine. if you submit a positive one it will never get past their editorial board. If the link was something else, pardon my rant! Doc

[REWahoo]

So fish oil is either good for you (and good for Dr. Dave's bank account) or bad for you (and good for the pharmaceutical company's bank account).

Reminds me of the old joke about how saliva isn't harmful unless swallowed in small amounts over a long time period...

REW, who thinks the entire argument is a bit fishy and will just stick with an occasional dose of Dr. Bethancourt's Amazing Snake Oil Liniment...

[cute fuzzy bunny]

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Originally Posted by REWahoo! Reminds me of the old joke about how saliva isn't harmful unless swallowed in small amounts over a long time period...

And then only if its your own.

Hmm...someone else was promoting the benefits of fish oil here a while back.

[Art]

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Originally Posted by REWahoo! So fish oil is either good for you (and good for Dr. Dave's bank account) or bad for you (and good for the pharmaceutical company's bank account).*

FORMAL APOLOGY AND MEA CULPA TO THE FORUM...

I am new to this forum. I came across the post of a seriously ill individual, and replies from others to his situation. I will begin my own fun with experimental infusions of a new app of a Genentech wonder drug (rituxan) next Tuesday at UCSF, after two previous conventional drugs failed, so I was moved by the ill person's situation, and knew I had something of value to contribute to the discussion of STATINS- which are a TRUE problem/borderline scam- for those of you who are so hungry for something to be glib and cynical about.

Not knowing who I was dealing with, I put my two cents in, and I regret it. Won't happen again. There's a fine line between being glib and cynical, and being a stupid schmuck. Hope some of you find it one day. You dudes are too cool for school.

[cute fuzzy bunny]

Art - dont take it so seriously. We're a bunch of goofballs, thats all. What do you expect? We're a bunch of people without jobs...

I was suggesting fish oil a while back and my wife and I still take it. I think its good for you as long as you get some that isnt loaded with mercury and whatnot from the recent fish poisonings. I'll throw any log on the fire that isnt too expensive and might do me some good. I got the usual bunch of junior high school stuff here. Just stick your tongue out and proceed.

[Art]

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Originally Posted by th Art - dont take it so seriously.*

You're right, th. Thanks.

[razztazz]

The whole shocking story (Abridged)

Ok, here's some more reasons I am not keen on fish oil. *

As the previous poster said, there is the problem of *mercury and other industriual pollutants. yeah yeah, everybody who sells them swears they are "purified" but just what does that mean excatly? *And how can I be sure it means anything at all?

In MY OWN PERSONAL case there is a problem with antibiotics. *Along with having been fried by statins
I am sensitive to the flouroquinolone family (like the Manson *Family!) of antibiotics. These are used extensively in all meat and fish production. If I eat *fish or chicken that has been treated it can get serious. AND for an extended period of time. Not a 2 day bellyache. I spent most of 2003 recovering form an inadvertant exposure from food.

So, while they might say they use ONLY wild caught fish livers to extract the oil from...how do I know that? I have no way of proving or knowing anything and there are no evil, dreaded government regulations pre-emptively controlling their actions to reassure the public. Sure if I get killed or further crippled *I can roll the dice with another merchant, I guess. *But they mostly do teh same thing teh same way., It's called "industry standard". *It's preposterous.

I ain't stickin' that in MY mouth.

[moghopper]

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Originally Posted by Art You're right, th. Thanks.

Sorry Art - was just funnin'.

I have taken fish oil in the past, however, I too have some concerns (eg pollutants).

I'm much more likely to eat fish, and also go with flaxseed (flaxseed oils) which also contain Omega-3 acids. The flaxseed oil by itself probably isn't complete enough.

This following site is actually a proponent of "seal oil", but the pages on fish and flaxseed oil are somewhat informative.

http://www.omega3sealoil.com/Chapter5_1.html
http://www.omega3sealoil.com/Chapter5_2.html

[Art]

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Originally Posted by moghopper Sorry Art - was just funnin'.

Thanks, Mog, but not necessary.

Anyway, I started on flax oil for the Omega 3. If you visit the sight I mentioned, you'll see why that dog won't hunt (well). And you really can't eat enough fish either. The enewsletter is free. And he can't spell to save his life, which, to me- adds to his credibility.

Razz, you know your own situation and I'm sure you are the best judge of how to proceed. You're tough, I admire your strength and have nothing but the greatest respect for you. So much so, in fact, that I have removed Chester Arthur as my avatar, out of deference to you.

Art

[Art]

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Originally Posted by Art Anyway, I started on flax oil for the Omega 3.

Correction: I started on ground flaxseed- I ground my own- not flax oil.

[SteveL]

Just chanced on the portion of this thread related to cholesterol and wanted to relate a recent experience. I tested 246 (total) on 5/19 and began a diet program (added to existing walking). My previous best ever total number was 192. On July 14th I tested at 159 with LDL down over 70pts. What I didn't tell the dr. was that I was taking 1/2 tsp. of cinnamon every day with my oatmeal. It is also true that I dropped 20lbs over this time, but I had been at the lower weight before when I tested at 192. Read more at http://cholesterol.about.com/b/a/108723.htm.

Also, higher amounts of cinnamon than this can be toxic

[cute fuzzy bunny]

SteveL...you arent from New Hampshire, are you?