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Don't smoke pot until adulthood!
08-27-2012, 08:46 PM
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Don't smoke pot until adulthood!
I was a bit reluctant to post this, because for the retirees already in geezerdom or even aspiring early retirees, it is too late already.
I ran across this article that measured effects of marijuana on smokers under the age of 18. Early smokers lost 8 points on IQ later in life, as measured a couple of decades later in adulthood, compared to their own earlier IQ tests before they smoked.
The article said,
Tests for intelligence quotient, or IQ, measure a person’s capacity to learn, apply knowledge, and use abstract reasoning. The average score is 100.
Although a drop of eight points may not seem like much, going from a score of 100 to 92 drops someone from being in the 50th percentile in intelligence to the 29th.
For people who smoked pot later in life, they measure no decrease in IQ. People who never smoked pick up a slight IQ increase.
Details are here.
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08-27-2012, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NW-Bound
People who never smoked pick up a slight IQ increase.
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I was wondering why I feel so smart.
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08-27-2012, 09:25 PM
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Heh heh heh... Same here.
However, my elation may not last, if someone publishes a similar article regarding nicotine in cigarette smoke.
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08-27-2012, 09:36 PM
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I never did that either, I'm just a bore I guess. Just could never figure out why someone would set something on fire and suck it into their lungs.
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08-27-2012, 09:41 PM
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Does that mean it's okay to freely smoke the stuff once you become an adult?
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08-27-2012, 09:45 PM
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Seems like it does not hurt IQ, if you start as an adult.
Of course it may hurt something else that the study did not address. Or it could help, like many have claimed. I dunno. They need to do more studies, I guess. Need more smokers for these studies too. Probably would not have problems getting volunteers.
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08-28-2012, 07:21 AM
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The NYT reported on this, but their take was a bit different, so I looked for the source to see why. Surprisingly, the write-up linked in the OP presents the conclusions with a perspective the study authors did not intend. The abstract can be seen here Recent Press Highlights I would say this is the key paragraph
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The researchers found that study members who reported persistent cannabis use showed a greater decline in IQ compared with other participants. Persistent cannabis use was associated with broad impairment across five domains of neuropsychological functioning, and remained significant even after controlling for years of education and use of other drugs including alcohol. Persistent cannabis use appeared to affect everyday cognitive functioning, with persistent users exhibiting significantly more attention and memory problems than other participants, according to sources who the study members claimed "knew them well." Adolescent-onset cannabis users tended to become more persistent users and experienced a greater IQ decline compared with adult-onset users, after equating for levels of persistence
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The decline in neurological function is the result of continued heavy use over decades. People are more likely to be persistent users when they begin at a younger age, but the driver here is not age, it is the long term chronic use.
The opening line from the originally linked article is this
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Teens may lose IQ points later in life if they smoke marijuana before age 18, according to a study that follows a survey showing use of the drug has increased in this age group for four straight years.
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and this is not a conclusion of the study. This makes for good headlines but poor journalism.
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08-28-2012, 11:41 AM
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But if you wait until you're an adult, will you be smart enough to avoid eating an entire bag of Doritos in one sitting, or to avoid getting into a car for a 1 AM Taco Bell run?
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08-28-2012, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ziggy29
But if you wait until you're an adult, will you be smart enough to avoid eating an entire bag of Doritos in one sitting, or to avoid getting into a car for a 1 AM Taco Bell run?
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Or find your way to Baskin & Robbins and try to order a Spumoni ice cone while trying to act serious
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08-28-2012, 12:23 PM
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Hopefully, future studies will show that quickly moving on to "714's" and "4 way orange barrel's" will have negated any loss of IQ. I think it is like cheating on your girlfriend in that respect, If you do a three way the two girls cancel each other out.
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08-28-2012, 07:05 PM
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OK…. I'll 'fess up. I started using cannabis a few years before age 18. If it made me a few IQ points lighter ….
--- I continued to be an excellent student through high school.
--- I earned my Bachelor's degree in Business Administration from a prominent California University while working full time and starting a family.
--- Somehow, I had enough IQ points to advance into a higher paying management job and stash away enough $$$ to ER at the age of 44.
--- I studied personal finance so that I do my own investing and prepare my own taxes.
By the tone of my response you may be able to determine that I don't necessarily believe the hype of this article. And speaking of hype….. I wonder if it's any coincidence that this article is released just before the elections. In several western states, full legalization will appear on November's ballot. Could this be another piece of government propaganda to negatively influence the voters? I wonder. Or... maybe It's the cannabis making me just a little paranoid - lol. I don't think early cannabis use reduced my IQ level at all…. or maybe I'm just too stupid to realize it.
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08-28-2012, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Life_is_Good
--- Somehow, I had enough IQ points to advance into a higher paying management job and stash away enough $$$ to ER at the age of 44.
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But could you have ERd sooner without it?
This calls for a taxpayer funded multi-decade study on the correlation between smoking pot as a teenager and retirement age. I'm sure there will be no shortage of volunteers willing to participate.
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08-29-2012, 12:05 AM
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I never did that either, I'm just a bore I guess. Just could never figure out why someone would set something on fire and suck it into their lungs.
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... when brownies taste so much better.
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Originally Posted by MichaelB
The decline in neurological function is the result of continued heavy use over decades. People are more likely to be persistent users when they begin at a younger age, but the driver here is not age, it is the long term chronic use.
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IIRC, the noted research team of Drs. Cheech & Chong assembled several LP record albums full of similar findings...
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08-29-2012, 05:20 AM
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IIRC, the noted research team of Drs. Cheech & Chong assembled several LP record albums full of similar findings...
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Along with a few movies. And then there's Jay, of Jay and Silent Bob fame. Like Chong, Jay was both a silver screen and real life example of the "chronic use" effect.
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08-29-2012, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by NYEXPAT
Hopefully, future studies will show that quickly moving on to "714's" and "4 way orange barrel's" will have negated any loss of IQ. I think it is like cheating on your girlfriend in that respect, If you do a three way the two girls cancel each other out.
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08-29-2012, 08:15 AM
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I still remember the "info" that was shown on the military TV channel when I was having my "SEA vacation", back in '68-69.
It would show a squad of grunts out in the field having a "wacky weed break" and suddely put upon by Cong/NVA Regs (where their platoon was not "treated gently" ).
Sorry, but being a Nam vet (and an old phart, who did not participate in what most folks think of the 60's), I swore off the substance.
Different folks - different strokes (and different times)...
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08-29-2012, 08:27 AM
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Far out.
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08-29-2012, 08:40 AM
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cool. but what does lower mean?
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08-29-2012, 08:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rescueme
I still remember the "info" that was shown on the military TV channel when I was having my "SEA vacation", back in '68-69.
It would show a squad of grunts out in the field having a "wacky weed break" and suddely put upon by Cong/NVA Regs (where their platoon was not "treated gently" ).
Sorry, but being a Nam vet (and an old phart, who did not participate in what most folks think of the 60's), I swore off the substance.
Different folks - different strokes (and different times)...
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Not sure I'd want to be stoned if there was a chance I would be ambushed...
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08-29-2012, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by HFWR
Not sure I'd want to be stoned if there was a chance I would be ambushed...
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You understand the "message" - exactly ...
OTOH, I'm still alive (regardless if I get a disability check from the VA every month).
I guess TV free "Ad Spots" do work ...
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