Gary Taubes' Newest Book

[TromboneAl]

You might be able to estimate from this:

Domestic Beer Calories, Beer Alcohol, and Beer Carbs
Brand

Brewery Alcohol(ABV) Calories 12 oz Carbohydrates (grams)
Anchor Porter Anchor 5.6% 209 *
Anchor Steam Anchor 4.9% 153 16.0g
Anheuser Busch Natural Light Anheuser Busch 4.2% 95 3.2g
Anheuser Busch Natural Ice Anheuser Busch 5.9% 157 8.9g
Aspen Edge Adolph Coors 4.1% 94 2.6g
Big Sky I.P.A. Big Sky Brewing 6.2% 195 *
Big Sky Moose Drool Brown Ale Big Sky Brewing 5.2% 177 15.6g
Big Sky Powder Hound (seasonal) Big Sky Brewing 6.2% 195 *
Big Sky Scape Goat Pale Ale Big Sky Brewing 4.7% 163 13.9g
Big Sky Summer Honey Ale (seasonal) Big Sky Brewing 4.7% 154 11.6g
Big Sky Trout Slayer Ale Big Sky Brewing 4.7% 163 13.9g
Blatz Beer Blatz 4.8% 153 12.5g
Blatz Light Blatz * * 8.5g
Blue Moon Adolph Coors 5.4% 171 13.7g
Bud Dry Anheuser Busch 5.0% 130 7.8g
Bud Ice Anheuser Busch 5.5% 123 8.9g
Bud Ice Light Anheuser Busch 5.0% 115 7.5g
Bud Light Anheuser Busch 4.2% 110 6.6g
Bud Light Lime Anheuser Busch 4.2% 116 8.0g
Budweiser Anheuser Busch 5.0% 145 10.6g
Budweiser Select Anheuser Busch 4.3% 99 3.1g
Budweiser Select 55 Anheuser Busch 2.4% 55 1.9g


Busch Beer Anheuser Busch 4.6% 133 10.2g
Busch Ice Anheuser Busch 5.9% 169 12.5g
Busch Light Anheuser Busch 4.1% 95 3.2g
Carling Black Label G. Heileman 4.3% 138 12.5g
Colt 45 Malt Liquor G. Heileman 6.1% 174 11.1g
Coors MillerCoors 4.91% 149 12.2g
Coors Light MillerCoors 4.15% 104 5.3g
Extra Gold Lager MillerCoors 4.97% 152 12.5g
Flying Dog Dog Schwarz Flying Dog Brewery 7.8% 222 14.3g
Flying Dog Doggie Style Flying Dog Brewery 4.7% 158 11.4g
Flying Dog DogtoberFest Flying Dog Brewery 5.6% 165 12.3g
Flying Dog Double Dog Flying Dog Brewery 11.5% 313 16.6g
Flying Dog Garde Dog Flying Dog Brewery 5.5% 150 9.3g
Flying Dog Gonzo Flying Dog Brewery 9.2% 271 18.9g
Flying Dog Horn Dog Flying Dog Brewery 10.2% 314 21.5g
Flying Dog In Heat Wheat Flying Dog Brewery 4.7% 138 10.4g
Flying Dog K-9 Cruiser Flying Dog Brewery 7.4% 197 10.6g
Flying Dog Kerberos Tripel Flying Dog Brewery 8.3% 238 8.6g
Flying Dog Old Scratch Amber Ale Flying Dog Brewery 5.5% 154 10.2g
Flying Dog Raging Bitch Flying Dog Brewery 8.3% 221 11.6g
Flying Dog Road Dog Flying Dog Brewery 6.0% 163 9.9g
Flying Dog Snake Dog IPA Flying Dog Brewery 7.1% 188 10.0g
Flying Dog Tire Bite Golden Ale Flying Dog Brewery 5.1% 129 6.2g
Flying Dog Wild Dog: Coffee Stout Flying Dog Brewery 9.9% 288 20.2g
Flying Dog Woody Creek White Flying Dog Brewery 4.8% 131 8.0g
Genesee Beer High Falls Brewing 4.5% 148 13.5g
Genesee Cream Ale High Falls Brewing 5.1% 162 15.0g
Genesee Ice High Falls Brewing 5.9% 156 14.5g
Genesee Red High Falls Brewing 4.9% 148 14.0g
George Killian's Irish Red MillerCoors 4.98% 162 14.8g
Icehouse MillerCoors 5% 132 8.7g
Icehouse 5.0 MillerCoors 5.5% 149 9.8g
Icehouse Light MillerCoors 4.13% 103 5.5g
Hamm's Beer MillerCoors 4.7% 144 12.1g
Hamm's Golden Draft MillerCoors 4.7% 144 12.1g
Hamm's Special Light MillerCoors 3.9% 110 8.3g
Keystone Premium Adolph Coors 4.43% 111 5.8g
Keystone Light Adolph Coors 4.13% 103 5.0g
Keystone Ice Adolph Coors 5.9% 142 5.9g
Leinenkugel Honey Weiss Leinenkugel 4.92% 149 12.0g
Leinenkugel Northwoods Lager Leinenkugel 4.94% 163 15.3g
Leinenkugel Original Leinenkugel 4.67% 152 13.9g
Leinenkugel Creamy Dark Leinenkugel 4.94% 170 16.8g
Leinenkugel Red Leinenkugel 4.94% 166 16.2g
Leinenkugel Sunset Wheat Leinenkugel 4.9% 165 16g
Leinenkugel Light Leinenkugel 4.19% 105 5.7g
Leinenkugel Amber Light Leinenkugel 4.14% 110 7.4g
Lowenbrau Dark 5.0% 160
Lowenbrau Special Beer 5.2% 160


Magnum Malt Liquor MillerCoors 5.6% 157 11.2g
Michael Shea's High Falls Brewing 4.62% 145 13.0g
Michelob Amber Boch Anheuser Busch 5.2% 166 15.0g
Michelob Beer Anheuser Busch 5.0% 155 13.3g
Michelob Golden Draft Anheuser Busch 4.7% 152 14.1g
Michelob Golden Draft Light Anheuser Busch 4.1% 110 7.0g
Michelob Honey Lager Anheuser Busch 4.9% 175 17.9g
Michelob Light Anheuser Busch 4.3% 113 6.7g
Michelob Ultra Anheuser Busch 4.1% 95 2.6g
Mickey's Fine Malt Liquor MillerCoors 5.6% 157 11.2g
Mickey's Ice MillerCoors 5.8% 157 11.8g
Miller Chill MillerCoors 4.2% 110 6.5g
Miller Genuine Draft MillerCoors 4.7% 143 13.1g
Miller Genuine Draft Light MillerCoors 4.2% 110 7g
Miller Genuine Draft "64" MillerCoors 2.8% 64 2.4g
Miller High Life MillerCoors 4.7% 143 13.1g
Miller High Life Light MillerCoors 4.2% 110 7g
Miller Lite MillerCoors 4.2% 96 3.2g
Milwaukee's Best MillerCoors 4.3% 128 11.4g
Miller Lite Brewers Collection Amber MillerCoors 4.2% 110 6.2g
Miller Lite Brewers Collection Blonde MillerCoors 4.2% 110 6.2g
Miller Lite Brewers Collection Wheat MillerCoors 4.2% 110 6.2g
Milwaukee's Best Premium MillerCoors 4.3% 128 11.4g
Milwaukee's Best Light MillerCoors 4.2% 98 3.5g
Milwaukee's Best Ice MillerCoors 5.9% 144 7.3g
New Belgium 1554 New Belgium 5.6% 205 25g
New Belgium 2 Below New Belgium 6.6% 200 17g
New Belgium Abbey New Belgium 7.0% 200 18g
New Belgium Blue Paddle New Belgium 4.8% 140 14g
New Belgium Fat Tire New Belgium 5.2% 160 15g
New Belgium Mothership Wit New Belgium 4.8% 155 15g
New Belgium Trippel New Belgium 7.8% 215 20g
New Belgium Sunshine Wheat New Belgium 4.8% 145 13g
O'Doul's Anheuser Busch 0.4% 70 13.3g
Old Milwaukee Light Old Milwaukee 3.8% 114 8.3g
Old Milwaukee Beer Old Milwaukee 4.5% 146 12.9g
Olde English 800 MillerCoors 5.9 % 160 10.5g
Olde English 800 7.5 MillerCoors 7.5 % 202 13.4g
Olde English High Gravity 800 MillerCoors 8.0% 220 14.6g
Olympia Premium Lager Pabst 4.7% 146 11.9g
Pabst Blue Ribbon Pabst 5.0% 153 12.01g
Pabst Extra Light Low Alcohol Pabst 2.5% 67 *
Pete's Wicked Ale 5.3% 174 17.7g
Red Dog MillerCoors 5.0% 147 14.1g
Red Hook ESB Red Hook 5.77% 179 14.15g
Red Hook IPA Red Hook 6.5% 188 12.66g
Rolling Rock Extra Pale Latrobe 4.6% 142
Rolling Rock Premium Beer Latrobe 4.5% 120 10.0g
Sam Adams Boston Lager Boston Beer 4.75% 160 18.0g
Sam Adams Boston Ale Boston Beer 4.94% 160 19.9g
Sam Adams Cherry Wheat Boston Beer 5.2% 166 16.86g
Sam Adams Cream Stout Boston Beer 4.69% 195 23.94g
Sam Adams IPA Boston Beer 5.93% 175
Sam Adams Light Boston Beer 4.05% 124 9.7g
Sam Adams Pale Ale Boston Beer 5.25% 145


Schaefer Beer Pabst 4.6% 142 12.0g
Schlitz Beer Pabst 4.7% 146 12.1g
Schlitz Light Pabst 4.2% 110 *
Schlitz Malt Liquor Pabst 6.2% 185 *
Sierra Nevada Anniversary Ale Sierra Nevada 5.9% 190 17.3g
Sierra Nevada Bigfoot Sierra Nevada 9.6% 330 32.1g
Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale Sierra Nevada 6.8% 214 19.4g
Sierra Nevada Draft Ale Sierra Nevada 5.0% 157 13.4g
Sierra Nevada Early Spring Beer Sierra Nevada 5.9% 190 16.7g
Sierra Nevada Harvest Ale Sierra Nevada 6.7% 215 19.3g
Sierra Nevada India Pale Ale Sierra Nevada 6.9% 231 20.0g
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale Sierra Nevada 5.6% 175 14.1g
Sierra Nevada Pale Bock Sierra Nevada 7.0% 218 19.7g
Sierra Nevada Porter Sierra Nevada 5.6% 194 18.4g
Sierra Nevada Stout Sierra Nevada 5.8% 225 22.3g
Sierra Nevada Summerfest Beer Sierra Nevada 5.0% 158 13.7g
Sierra Nevada Wheat Beer Sierra Nevada 4.4% 153 13.1g
Signature Stroh Beer Stroh's 4.8% 153 *
Southpaw Light MillerCoors 5.0% 123 6.6g
Steel Reserve MillerCoors 8.1% 222 16.0g
Steel Reserve Triple Export MillerCoors 8.1% 222 16.0g
Steel Reserve Six MillerCoors 6.0% 160 11.0g
Stroh's Beer Stroh's 4.6% 149 12.0g
Stroh's Light Stroh's 4.4% 113 7g
Tuborg Deluxe Dark Export G. Heileman 5.1% 163
Tuborg Export Quality G. Heileman 5.0% 156
Weinhard's Private Reserve MillerCoors 4.8% 150 9.9g
Weinhard's Amber Light MillerCoors 4.2% 135 11.5g
Weinhard's Hefeweizen MillerCoors 4.9% 151 12.2g
Weinhard's Blonde Lager MillerCoors 5.1% 161 14.0g
Weinhard's Pale Ale MillerCoors 4.6% 147 13g
Yuengling Ale D.G. Yuengilng 5.0% 145 10g
Yuengling Porter D.G. Yuengilng 4.5% 150 14g
Yuengling Premium Beer D.G. Yuengling 4.4% 135 12g
Yuengling Light D.G. Yuengling 3.8% 98 6.6g
Yuengling Lager D.G. Yuengling 4.4% 135 12g

[Ronstar]

Thanks Al, it looks like mine are around 180 cals with 17 carb grams. I need to stop brewing stouts - they're off the charts. There's a lb of lactose in 5 gallons of milk stout.

[braumeister]

There are a number of methods, but you really need lab equipment for accuracy.
Stronger (higher alcohol) beers obviously give you more calories from alcohol, even though the carbs don't go up much (if any) over lower alcohol beers.

Here's a website that will let you plug in the starting and finish gravities (OG and FG) to get calories and carbs:
Beer Calories & Beer Carbohydrates

For commercial beers, try this one:
Ounces of beer times alcohol percentage by volume (ABV)
Divide the result by 60
Multiply the result by 150
The final result is the approximate calories.

For example,
Take a 12 ounce bottle of a nice strong IPA that's 7% ABV.
12 times 7 = 84.
84 divided by 60 = 1.4
1.4 times 150 = 210 calories

Roughly:
1 gram of carbs = 4 calories
1 gram of protein = 4 calories
1 gram of alcohol = 7 calories
1 gram of fat = 9 calories

[Ronstar]

Thanks Brau - that formula will come in handy!

[Zero]

This looks like a nice way to lose a bit of weight. A couple of juicy stink bug tacos, and a couple of beers and I'd be sure to barf.

[gindie]

Quote:

Originally Posted by gindie As an FYI, Jenny will be a guest on Jimmy Moore's Low-Carb podcast on Monday November 7. The link: Interviewing Doctors, Researchers, Scientists, Bloggers and More. | The Livin La Vida Low-Carb Show I will try to post a reminder nearer the time, as I would expect a very interesting interview (she indicated that she recorded it last week). Jimmy really lets his guests speak their minds, even those he disagrees with.

The airing of this interview has been moved up to Thursday July 7 at the link contained in the quoted text above.

[haha]

Here is a very ineresting interview from several years ago with Gary Taubes, and Ronald Kraus M.D, one of the most prominent researchers into the biochemical details of LDL and HDL.

Not All Calories Are Created Equal, Author Says : NPR

[HFWR]

And if you weren't confused yet...

Whole Health Source: The Carbohydrate Hypothesis of Obesity: a Critical Examination

Quote:

I hope you can see by now that the carbohydrate hypothesis of obesity is not only incorrect on a number of levels, but may even be backward. The reason why obesity and metabolism researchers don't take Taubes's idea seriously is that it is contradicted by a large body of evidence from multiple fields. I understand that people like ideas that "challenge conventional wisdom" as the GCBC book cover states, but the fact is that obesity is a complex problem and it will not be shoehorned into simplistic hypotheses.

[haha]

These guys are in a major feud. I have no idea who is right or wrong scientifically, and do not really care- but Guyenet has some some very unattractive eating strategies. Like eat unpalatable food. Duh! If your food bores the heck out of you or causes you to barf, of course you don't want to eat much of it.

Ha

[Leonidas]

Quote:

Originally Posted by haha These guys are in a major feud.

It's apparently the big scandal of the moment amongst the food scientists. Guyenet was a speaker at AHS a week or so ago, and Taubes started asking questions at the end of his speech. AHS showdown: Gary Taubes vs Stephan Guyenet | Dietdoctor.com

The column that HWFR linked to is Guyenet's attempt to defend his theories against Taubes' criticisms.

And here is a critique of Guyenet's defense. Guyenet, Taubes and why low carb works | Dietdoctor.com

It's a war between the nutrition scientists!

Too funny.

[braumeister]

Stephan Guyenet means well, I think, but I don't see this blog post as helpful.
He seems to be saying "Taubes is wrong" but without countering Taubes' point.
As the old Monty Python sketch had it, that's not an argument; it's just the automatic gainsaying of what the other person said.

Guyenet begins with:

Quote:

there is no doubt that carbohydrate restriction causes fat loss in many, perhaps even most obese people

Then in his conclusion, he punts, with:

Quote:

once overweight or obesity is established, carbohydrate restriction can aid fat loss in some people. The mechanism by which this occurs is not totally clear .... Research is ongoing to understand how this process works

In other words, "Taubes is wrong, despite the obvious confirmation of his argument, but I don't know what is right."

For me at least, Taubes' writing not only makes sense, it works in the real world.

[HFWR]

Quote:

Originally Posted by haha These guys are in a major feud. I have no idea who is right or wrong scientifically, and do not really care- but Guyenet has some some very unattractive eating strategies. Like eat unpalatable food. Duh! If your food bores the heck out of you or causes you to barf, of course you don't want to eat much of it. Ha

You won't live to be 100, it'll just feel like it...

I've seen this in my own life, though. Sorry, can't choke down a plain baked potato, or plain oatmeal, but add some butter...

I still like "eat real food, not too much"...

[rgarling]

Quote:

I hope you can see by now that the carbohydrate hypothesis of obesity is not only incorrect on a number of levels, but may even be backward. The reason why obesity and metabolism researchers don't take Taubes's idea seriously is that it is contradicted by a large body of evidence from multiple fields. I understand that people like ideas that "challenge conventional wisdom" as the GCBC book cover states, but the fact is that obesity is a complex problem and it will not be shoehorned into simplistic hypotheses.

Guyenet is a neurobiologist and seems to think the nervous system is dominant in energy homeostasis. That fine (but probably incorrect); however, the arguments presented in his blog post boil down to a series of false choices leading the reader down a random path to the above conclusion. What if the nervous system merely fine tunes the overall system and its signalling is simply overwhelmed by the power of insulin signalling?

The good thing in all this is that if someone disregards the 'wisdom' of modern nutritionists and limits carbohydrate intake, he can experience the truth of the matter. To explore this idea, watch the movie Fat Head.

[haha]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonidas And here is a critique of Guyenet's defense. Guyenet, Taubes and why low carb works | Dietdoctor.com

This guy Andreas is very interesting. Thanks for posting this link. Below is a plate of 72g of Dreamfield's Pasta, from an expose that Andreas does. Blows me away- before I went low carb for health reasons, I had about 2x this much for dinner 5 days/week. It's a wonder that I or either of my sons survived my cooking and meal planning.-Ha

[GregLee]

Quote:

Originally Posted by braumeister In other words, "Taubes is wrong, despite the obvious confirmation of his argument, but I don't know what is right." For me at least, Taubes' writing not only makes sense, it works in the real world.

I'm disposed to believe Guyenet, because that has been my (comparatively uninformed) take on Taubes, too. The diet may well work, but the theory is unconvincing.

[rgarling]

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregLee I'm disposed to believe Guyenet, because that has been my (comparatively uninformed) take on Taubes, too. The diet may well work, but the theory is unconvincing.

What part of the theory is unconvincing?

[GregLee]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgarling What part of the theory is unconvincing?

I have posted about that previously, but right now I can't recall exactly what I said.