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04-08-2021, 11:05 AM
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BMI is really only meant as a rough guideline/range, because there are so many factors it doesn't include. It's literally just height/weight. And yet it's taken over the health conversation because it's so quick and easy and most people can understand it. That doesn't mean it's actually useful....
For example: Tom Brady is 6'4" and weighs about 225 - he's a big dude but not overly huge or bulging with muscles - no more than your average tall guy in the weight room. But those numbers put him right in the middle of "overweight. BMI of 19 would put him at about 156lbs. He'd look quite ill in comparison. It wouldn't be possible unless he dropped most of his muscle mass which would not be healthy.
So BMI compensates with a big range to allow for frame/build. But that means a 5'6" woman has a 30lb range in what's considered normal. IOW, it's a quick simple way to convey information, but it's so broad as to be ineffective for an individual alone.
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04-08-2021, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by jollystomper
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I do the same thing. I do not believe one has to make it more complicated than that.
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It’s simply not the same for everyone.
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04-08-2021, 02:03 PM
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Exactly! Bone structure makes a big difference; that's why the weight/height guidelines are a range, not a number.
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Originally Posted by street
IMO, BMI is a guide line only. Every person is built different with bone structure etc. which can make a difference. Five pounds can mean healthy or not healthy, low or high risk, and I don't exactly feel that is always the case. I think a lot of healthy, has many more things involved then weight and height to consider totally our over all health. IMO
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04-08-2021, 02:07 PM
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And that 30-pound range (I think it's closer to 40 pounds for me, at 5' 7.5") does not mean that I can afford to be at the top of the range. That higher number is meant for a woman with a naturally broader, heavier build.
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Originally Posted by Aerides
BMI is really only meant as a rough guideline/range, because there are so many factors it doesn't include. It's literally just height/weight.
So BMI compensates with a big range to allow for frame/build. But that means a 5'6" woman has a 30lb range in what's considered normal. IOW, it's a quick simple way to convey information, but it's so broad as to be ineffective for an individual alone.
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04-08-2021, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Amethyst
And that 30-pound range (I think it's closer to 40 pounds for me, at 5' 7.5") does not mean that I can afford to be at the top of the range. That higher number is meant for a woman with a naturally broader, heavier build.
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Right, just like the woman (or man) who is naturally broader, and perfectly fit and healthy at the top of the range, is going to look underweight at the bottom of the range, or have a miserable time, and feel unhealthy trying to get there.
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04-08-2021, 02:56 PM
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My vet can look at my cats frame size and tell me how much cat should weigh "this should be an 8 lbs cat" Similarly I look in the mirror and I know when somethings getting outta whack based on frame size. Im a tall gal and I can carry alot of weight that doesn't look like weight. Ppl are shocked how much my size 6 butt weighs. Im from heavy bone stock and have broad shoulders /tall/long limbs.
My secret to diet success is less fake food more real food and as much water as I can get down.
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04-08-2021, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by audreyh1
It’s simply not the same for everyone.
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But likely for most. Unfortunately the above line tends to be used more as an excuse than as an inspiration.
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04-08-2021, 07:32 PM
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I'm trying to walk a fine line. I don't want to be so heavy that I'm uncomfortable, or unable to do some of the activities I enjoy. At the same time, some of the activities I really enjoy involve over-eating and excessive drinking (amongst other things). Add to that my desire to make just enough bad decisions that I will live awhile longer, but will die fast when the time comes. I don't want to linger. I won't know how this plan works out until the end, but in the meantime I'm moderating (in moderation) and mostly enjoying life.
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04-08-2021, 07:45 PM
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But likely for most. Unfortunately the above line tends to be used more as an excuse than as an inspiration.
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I disagree.
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04-08-2021, 09:12 PM
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You summed it up pretty darn good. Finding that balance is key and aluminate things that are known bad for health.
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04-09-2021, 01:40 PM
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I disagree.
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Then we will just have to agree to disagree .
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04-27-2021, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jollystomper
But likely for most. Unfortunately the above line tends to be used more as an excuse than as an inspiration.
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I agree. It's a goal of mine to stay in the normal BMI range and when a discussion exposes this goal I often hear that the BMI range is BS and nobody is that small. This is almost always from an overweight person.
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04-27-2021, 06:21 PM
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04-27-2021, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by socca
I’ve been living inside a BMI 19 body since 2004, and love it. What’s my strategy for maintaining my desired body weight (no yoyo-ing in my world!)?
Some highlights:
• I eat either one or one-and-a-half times a day. My one reliable meal - the major meal - is around 11 am. The optional snack (the ‘one-half’) is around 5 pm. On those days that I don’t eat a snack I’m supposedly engaged in one of the many forms of “intermittent fasting”, which IMO is a terrible name for a great idea.
• I track my weight using an Excel spreadsheet with a 4-day moving average, which smooths out the distracting daily fluctuations that are useless for weight management. Temporary water retention or mild dehydration can have a major effect on any particular weight reading. For example, mowing the grass in the deep Florida summer can result in an immediate 2 lbs of weight loss. On one occasion I had diarrhea and lost 5 lbs almost immediately.
• 6 of the 7 major meals I eat each week are plant-based, as are all of the snacks. I eat fish once a week. The low caloric density of most plant-based foods is helpful in weight management. I’m not a fan of meat analogs (I’ve been mostly plant-based since 1996 - there weren’t many meat analogs around back then!).
• my snack is either Endangered Species dark chocolate (72% cacao) + fruit or Ben & Jerry’s non-dairy Cherry Garcia “ice cream” + fruit.
• So, how good is my weight regulation? Well, my daily 4-day moving averaged weight is usually somewhere within a narrow band only +/- 1/2 pounds from its long-term average - quite satisfactory IMO!
What’s remarkable to me is how easy weight management is for me: if I eat a snack day-after-day my averaged weight will inexorably creep upwards. In contrast, if I skip the snack day-after-day my averaged weight will head steadily downwards. It’s almost as if there is a switch on the side of my body with only two settings: GAIN WEIGHT or LOSE WEIGHT. Maintaining my desired averaged weight just means flipping this switch back and forth.
I hope your weight management journey is equally satisfying!
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BMI of 19? You need to go on the beer and Cheetos diet and put on some weight. I have been around a BMY of 22.5 - 23.5 and my wife hovers between 22 and 23 over the past 25 years. I couldn't imagine dropping to a BMI of 19. I work out every day either biking or running followed by free weights. We don't diet but watch what and where we eat. We avoid buffets, sweets, ice cream, and most deserts. That alone will keep the pounds off.
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04-27-2021, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Freedom56
BMI of 19? You need to go on the beer and Cheetos diet and put on some weight. I have been around a BMY of 22.5 - 23.5 and my wife hovers between 22 and 23 over the past 25 years. I couldn't imagine dropping to a BMI of 19. I work out every day either biking or running followed by free weights. We don't diet but watch what and where we eat. We avoid buffets, sweets, ice cream, and most deserts. That alone will keep the pounds off.
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I agree. I was treading the 25 obesity line while wo*king, but lost 25 lbs in the first year I retired (NO dieting, trust me), and stay in the low 23's now and feel really good there (at age 59). Clothes fit well, sure I have a TINY gut, but never feel that weight/flab that I used to. 19 BMI must be downright rail skinny, but maybe at other heights, not so much. I'm six and one half an inch in height.
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04-27-2021, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by doneat54
I agree. I was treading the 25 obesity line while wo*king, but lost 25 lbs in the first year I retired (NO dieting, trust me), and stay in the low 23's now and feel really good there (at age 59). Clothes fit well, sure I have a TINY gut, but never feel that weight/flab that I used to. 19 BMI must be downright rail skinny, but maybe at other heights, not so much. I'm six and one half an inch in height.
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My doctor calls BMI 25 line the path to obesity. Clothes really fit well at around the 22-23 BMI range. However they are not easy to find at stores these days. Calvin Klein is about the only store that I can find slim fit shirts and pants that fit well.
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04-27-2021, 09:02 PM
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I'm about 6'3" and weigh about 240 lbs. And as a Type II diabetic, I've chosen to live with an insulin pump in order to regulate my blood sugar better--while eating fairly normal. It's fairly difficult for diabetics to lose weight while on diets.
I've also got a Glucose Monitoring System that keeps track of my condition and keeps it on a graph. There have been some nights after eating right and not snacking that my blood sugars go down and down to somewhat low levels. The monitor wakes me up, and I eat a few cookies or drink orange juice to get my glucose to rise to normal.
I would like to go on a much stricter diet, however I'm a little afraid I'd see too many "lows." My normal is steady 110-120 most nights, and those lows really make you feel weak for 1/2 day or so.
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