I got lucky and bought some on a dip in March. They are up almost 20%! Ha
I like them in tax protected accounts but at current negative real yields won’t buy them.
IMHO - Deflation is more of a concern in the near term, and more destructive to the macro economy.
Treasury money authorized by congress is just starting to get into the economy, and at around $2 trillion only keeps the USA economy on life support for a month. Bills/credit cards/mortgages/purchases/rents are being deferred which will start to show permanent scars next month. Major banks are now being public about this forecast and the multi billions expected in loan write downs for April.
On the demand side, some of the population who were spending money in January will now sit on the sidelines in making purchases out of health concerns. For example, Stadium games, theater, restaurants, air travel, hotels, even big home improvement. This is the demand side shock which is the precursor to deflation.
Thank God for the Federal Reserve - they acted quickly to inject liquidity into the markets and banking systems to avoid a freeze up while congress was looking to go home. The Fed has broadcast that inflation expectations will remain low and interest rates will remain as low as long at it takes. To kick of the rescue, the Fed bought a boatload of Treasury bonds previously issued and authorized by congressional deficit spending. That was one injection of money. The Fed lowered the overnight lending rate between banks, and we are in a region that may be a liquidity trap. (Sort of where everyone sticks cash under the mattress). The Fed repo'd foreign debt with US Treasuries. The Fed started purchases of previous high quality commercial paper now deemed junk by ratings agencies (fallen angels - like Ford) to stave off a run on debt prices as companies tried to raise cash to stay alive.
With all of the destruction of capital that has started, IMHO we do not need to worry about inflation in the next 10 years. Deflation is the boogyman. USA is not the Weimar Republic trying to pay off WWI debt.
Now that we have reached essentially 0% bond interest (again) there probably are not any more gains. And don't TIPS decrease in value if deflation occurs?
There are a series of Federal Reserve Papers outlining macroeconomic policy. They make my head spin for all of the various aspects of macroeconomics.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/feds/files/2020020pap.pdf
With all the money the gov't is injecting, inflation pressure seems likely. Anyone adding tips at this time?
I don't try to understand or predict whether of when my house will catch fire. I buy fire insurance. I also hold TIPS.With all the money the gov't is injecting, inflation pressure seems likely. Anyone adding tips at this time?
I don't try to understand or predict whether of when my house will catch fire. I buy fire insurance. I also hold TIPS.
Not picking on anyone in particular, not even picking on this thread specifically, but there are a lot of posts that remind me of what the psychologists have learned: The people with the smallest amount of expertise on a subject are the ones who are most self-confident in their opinions.
Predicting the economy has historically been a fool's errand. I doubt that this has changed. Me, I don't know nuthin'.
Basically 100% of our fixed income portfolio less whatever we happen to have in short term "cash/MM" type stuff. We're a little high on that right now, so the TIPS are probably 80%. We were 75/25 AA before the current excitement. I haven't bothered to recalculate recently as the number would make no difference to us. We have been very fortunate in life. he 25 is probably more money than we will ever need.What % of your investments do you have in TIPS?
Whew! Lots packed into this. Start with the fact that we have had historically low inflation during your 20 year period. Then look at the fact that bond fund values are driven by many factors, as we have recently seen. Finally consider that a brain-dead monkey could assemble a government bond portfolio pretty much as well as a guy in a suit. So I don't even know what I don't know about bond funds except that I don't want to buy any.I’m not hugely familiar with TIPS but I know the Vanguard TIPS index fund began in 2000. For 20 years since then, it has a tracked pretty closely to the Total Bond index fund and has outperformed it by a hair but also has a higher ER and greater volatility. If inflation arrived, do you have great confidence the TIPS index would wildly out-perform the bond index over the long term? Continue to be about the same?
Deflation is the larger concern. Prices are already in decline.
Having said that, if we do the right thing and re-shore a lot of industry from China, then that coupled with loose money could cause a tick up in inflation. But that is a ways away if it happens. Would be a good problem.
Huh?... TIPs?: In theory. Depends on if dollar avoidance becomes the source of inflation or not. ...
Whew! Lots packed into this. Start with the fact that we have had historically low inflation during your 20 year period. Then look at the fact that bond fund values are driven by many factors, as we have recently seen. Finally consider that a brain-dead monkey could assemble a government bond portfolio pretty much as well as a guy in a suit. So I don't even know what I don't know about bond funds except that I don't want to buy any.
So ... reset. Lets talk about TIPS not funds.
I don't pay much attention but I think TIPS have generally been priced based on their coupon yield plus the buyer's expectations for inflation. And the recent 20 years of history leads to some pretty low inflation expectations. IMO this has resulted in the auction price difference between a TIPS and another similar govvie to be relatively small. That small difference is the insurance premium I pay for the inflation protection I get. As long as inflation is benign, it's a pretty dull ride and the TIPS and the govvie ride in tandem.
Warning/speculation: If we do get high inflation (old story I didn't read with good graphs: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-field-guide-to-inflation-lessons-from-the-1970s-vol-1/) things change. The prices of TIPS rise significantly to reflect the inflation. Treasury stops selling TIPS, viewing it as throwing gas on a fire. Then people who are especially terrified by the inflation start bidding up the TIPS, effectively paying a much higher insurance premium. All of this brings joy to the people that bought TIPS in times of low inflation, although the increased inflation is making other parts of their lives miserable. (By buying TIPS they were not wishing for high inflation. Unless they were stupid.)
There are some secondary details like tax issues, effects of deflation, the missing yield curve, and the fact that the coupon on the TIPS is also indexed for inflation, but I think I have hit the big picture stuff.
TIPS take some study. If you're interested I'd encourage you to invest the time.
Gold? Maybe. It "should". The spot prices aren't going anywhere but boy howdy take a look at the prices to actually put it in your paw vs. paper.
There are those who know they don't know and there are those who don't know that they don't know. IMO you are ahead of the game.I don't know ... I really don't know ...
There are those who know they don't know and there are those who don't know that they don't know. IMO you are ahead of the game.
I think you're in good company. I just finished my umpteenth read of Nassim Taleb's "The Black Swan" last night and he has a concept he calls "antifragile." I haven't read that book yet, but the general idea is to hedge your bets in a way that mitigates the effects of negative black swans.I'm also in the I don't know camp, but also one who believes in hedging. ...
I think you're in good company. I just finished my umpteenth read of Nassim Taleb's "The Black Swan" last night and he has a concept he calls "antifragile." I haven't read that book yet, but the general idea is to hedge your bets in a way that mitigates the effects of negative black swans.
Without yet really understanding his concept I think our heavy reliance on TIPS makes us at least somewhat antifragile.
Maybe. I'm no economist and even economists can't predict this stuff. Me? I don't know nuthin'. I look at very high (>10%> inflation from a classical risk management approach, considering three parameters: probability, impact, and cost to mitigate.... I think we may see substantial iiflation from three causes ...
How about all those CDs that are paying negative real interest? All those bonds that will be paid back with funny money? All the consumer discretionary segment businesses that will see no consumers as wages lag inflation? Re those 3% real rate CDs, what is the net real rate after that 13% number is taxed as income? Oh, and sorry about all those fixed pensions. Money is no longer a reliable store of value. As I said, I am not an economist but I think the consensus among economists is that high inflation is very damaging.Isn't inflation only really bad for people who have long term, non-inflation adjusted fixed income? Otherwise, it seems like real interest matter more than inflation. If inflation is 10% but CDs are paying 13% wouldn't that be a good thing for most investors? They'd have a 3% real yield for a change. ,,,
Don't forget that the YTM numbers you see for TIPS are just a lower bound, implicitly assuming zero inflation. The actual interest you collect is effectively indexed to inflation because it is paid on the current value of the TIPS, not on their face value. So after 20 years of 3.5% inflation, you will find that your interest payments have doubled. But, as I have said, I am buying TIPS for insurance and not for yield.We have a TIPS ladder but we're not buying any new ones at negative rates. We had some fixed income CDs and TIPS mature recently and are just buying CDs for now.