Preferred Stock Investing-The Good , The Bad and The In Between 2021




Its good to look at “whats out there”. As there really isnt a magical preferred out there. Some perform better in some situations, as some are up on the year while some are down 30%. Its really about pairing up with issues that match your goal or expectation based on your projections.
 
Any worries about TNCAF, needing to raise cash and selling off parts ?



They are always building, buying, and selling assets. They are now dealing with a major cost overrun. At the preferred level Im not concerned. I personally have issues more riskier than this one.
 
They are always building, buying, and selling assets. They are now dealing with a major cost overrun. At the preferred level Im not concerned. I personally have issues more riskier than this one.

Mulli,

Where are you buying these preferreds now? I know you have TDA, and I thought Fidelity….couldn’t buy SLMBP (“cannot place buy order for this security”), TNCAF was a $50 foreign security fee; all at Fidelity. Frickin’ nanny state BS. And TDA adds the $7 TF for pink sheet securities.

Just curious….thank you, sir.
 
Mulli,



Where are you buying these preferreds now? I know you have TDA, and I thought Fidelity….couldn’t buy SLMBP (“cannot place buy order for this security”), TNCAF was a $50 foreign security fee; all at Fidelity. Frickin’ nanny state BS. And TDA adds the $7 TF for pink sheet securities.



Just curious….thank you, sir.



Yes, I have to pay $7 on a Pink Sheet trade via TD. I remember paying $20 not too many years ago…And over a $100 back in the ‘80s so I dont get bothered with the $7 fee. TNCAF does not have a foreign fee for me, just the $6.95 transaction.
Stunned you cant buy SLMBP online. Makes no sense. If you call it in, it may be one of those they allow you to buy after they read the floating rate procedures of the issue to you.
Any OTC issue I have to buy through them. Some brokerages wont allow OTC trading anymore. But SLMBP is a NYSE issue and shouldnt be a problem.
 
The Sallie Mae is a very interesting preferred in a rising rate environment being its very low adjustment and pricing well below par because of it. A year ago the preferred was yielding in 4% range. But do to exploding Libor the next dividend will be above 11% at a $58 purchase price. I bought aggressively in $56 range a divi before last recognizing its yield would explode.

Interestingly enough, tried to buy this morning at Fidelity, but got an error that the security is restricted (no buys allowed). I am waiting to discuss with them now, but had no issue buying at Ameritrade.

ETA: Fidelity fixed income rep thinks it is coded wrong, they "recently" allowed floating rate preferred to be bought on-line but think this one was missed. They offered to do the order for me.
 
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Interestingly enough, tried to buy this morning at Fidelity, but got an error that the security is restricted (no buys allowed). I am waiting to discuss with them now, but had no issue buying at Ameritrade.

ETA: Fidelity fixed income rep thinks it is coded wrong, they "recently" allowed floating rate preferred to be bought on-line but think this one was missed. They offered to do the order for me.



That makes sense. I knew Fido had a restriction that was lifted this year. Totally dumb… They wanted to restrict those but will let you buy penny stock Fannie and Freddie preferreds that havent paid a divi in over a decade…
 
That makes sense. I knew Fido had a restriction that was lifted this year. Totally dumb… They wanted to restrict those but will let you buy penny stock Fannie and Freddie preferreds that havent paid a divi in over a decade…


So now you can buy floating without listing to them read Quantum online to you?


It was one of the reasons that I did not move to Fido as I want to be able to buy and sell what I want to buy and sell...
 
Got an unexpected fill on a small CTApA order this afternoon @61.40 as the afternoon market selloff was in process.



Copyright, What happened to you is quite normal for some odd reason. Certain days it will dribble out odd lot transactions of 10, 40, 60, etc. shares a few minutes apart or hours even. Very strange. Its a nice little diversifier from the normal industries that offer preferreds.
 
Mulli - would SLMBP be a good choice in my Roth IRA? TNCAF?

I am 80% cash since selling stocks in my ROTHs early 2022.
 
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Mulli - would SLMBP be a good choice in my Roth IRA? TNCAF?

I am 80% cash since selling stocks in my ROTHs early 2022.



Born, TNCAF would not be a good Roth choice. Mainly because Canada will most likely withhold 15% foreign dividend tax even though we have a tax treaty. And being there is an extra intermediary involved in the purchase everybody blames the other person. The 15% can be recaptured at tax filing but only in a taxable account. So I never put CAD issues in my Roth. I fought that battle several years ago and wont do it again.
Also another consideration is issues like TNCAF and SLMBP have very low adjustments attached to Libor. So the reason why they are high yielding now is because prices are well below par, and Libor is very high. If Fed ever starts cutting these could drop like a rock, so you have to stay on top of these.
If your Roth is “sacred” like I am with mine, you may consider a safer play. PLDGP is the only preferred from number 1 power house Prologis. It was issued in 1996, and its first call date is November 2026. Being its an 8.54% BBB+ rated preferred and Prologis has never ever issued another preferred this is likely a goner then. So at todays purchase of $54.90 and back out the $1.06 divi as it goes exD next week, this is about a 6.2% YTC. Technically its a perpetual but they will redeem it. They have bought back half the $100 million issuance over the years so there isnt but $50 million left. And it doesnt trade much but some entity is selling it off at that price.
Prologis has A rated debt and it has a small 13% debt to capitalization. Quality upon quality here. I have personally maxed out my position here. Its not a cap gain play really, just suck the yield out of it until they redeem it.
 
Born, TNCAF would not be a good Roth choice. Mainly because Canada will most likely withhold 15% foreign dividend tax even though we have a tax treaty. And being there is an extra intermediary involved in the purchase everybody blames the other person. The 15% can be recaptured at tax filing but only in a taxable account. So I never put CAD issues in my Roth. I fought that battle several years ago and wont do it again.
Also another consideration is issues like TNCAF and SLMBP have very low adjustments attached to Libor. So the reason why they are high yielding now is because prices are well below par, and Libor is very high. If Fed ever starts cutting these could drop like a rock, so you have to stay on top of these.
If your Roth is “sacred” like I am with mine, you may consider a safer play. PLDGP is the only preferred from number 1 power house Prologis. It was issued in 1996, and its first call date is November 2026. Being its an 8.54% BBB+ rated preferred and Prologis has never ever issued another preferred this is likely a goner then. So at todays purchase of $54.90 and back out the $1.06 divi as it goes exD next week, this is about a 6.2% YTC. Technically its a perpetual but they will redeem it. They have bought back half the $100 million issuance over the years so there isnt but $50 million left. And it doesnt trade much but some entity is selling it off at that price.
Prologis has A rated debt and it has a small 13% debt to capitalization. Quality upon quality here. I have personally maxed out my position here. Its not a cap gain play really, just suck the yield out of it until they redeem it.

Mulli - thanks for the recommendation, I'm gonna grab a few shares!
 
Mulli - thanks for the recommendation, I'm gonna grab a few shares!



Did you get in, Born? There must have been a fund seller liquidating past week. I have watched this thing for years and years and rarely got a chance to buy at a respectable price. Typically it doesnt trade much at all and with wide bid/ask spreads when it did. Only about a million shares left and most are institutionalized. Its not a home run issue but a solid base hit up the middle income play.
 
Did you get in, Born? There must have been a fund seller liquidating past week. I have watched this thing for years and years and rarely got a chance to buy at a respectable price. Typically it doesnt trade much at all and with wide bid/ask spreads when it did. Only about a million shares left and most are institutionalized. Its not a home run issue but a solid base hit up the middle income play.

Yes, I bought a few shares!

Thanks for the recommendation. :cool::cool:
 
What are the thoughts on QRTEP ?



I dont for a hold. I made good money on these and sold out. But had no idea it would get this bad so quickly post covid. Their bonds are trading at over 20% last I looked.
 
I have some in my "speculative account"; but John Malone has many, many more in his regular account!



He has got dinged from his net worth, but not from his wallet as all of his preferreds were given to him. He didnt pay anything for them as the entire float was given to shareholders a couple years ago. That is part of the problem, Qurate gave some huge big ass one time cash payments to shareholders also instead of paying down debt or bolstering their balance sheet. Its like they are trying to drain all the cash out of it before it goes bankrupt.
 
He has got dinged from his net worth, but not from his wallet as all of his preferreds were given to him. He didnt pay anything for them as the entire float was given to shareholders a couple years ago. That is part of the problem, Qurate gave some huge big ass one time cash payments to shareholders also instead of paying down debt or bolstering their balance sheet. Its like they are trying to drain all the cash out of it before it goes bankrupt.

Do you think they are in danger of going BK ?
 
Do you think they are in danger of going BK ?



Their bonds are certainly trading as if there is a possibility. But I dont have any idea. They have big debt and declining revenues. That is not a good scenario so they need to get er going and soon. Look at this bond.. An 8.25% par 2030 maturity issue. Its trading at $44 and a YTM of over 25%. That is huge! If I had to play, I would rather take the risk of the bond. But Im not playing.

https://finra-markets.morningstar.com/BondCenter/BondDetail.jsp?ticker=C108127&symbol=QRTEA3695898
 
Wow, just found out that my PYS was exchanged... with no notice to me...


And the date shown was early Nov but mine in VG is Dec 15th...


Got them cheap so yield is almost 9%... might hold to maturity and hope hey do not go under...
 
Wow, just found out that my PYS was exchanged... with no notice to me...


And the date shown was early Nov but mine in VG is Dec 15th...


Got them cheap so yield is almost 9%... might hold to maturity and hope hey do not go under...



Texas they busted up the trust and just released the debt inside trust to shareholders. I dont know the reason though. Speaking of trust debt, I just bought some today off the bond desk. And old Dayton Power and Light hold co trust debt issued in 2001 and matures in 2031 at a 8.45% YTM.
 
Texas they busted up the trust and just released the debt inside trust to shareholders. I dont know the reason though. Speaking of trust debt, I just bought some today off the bond desk. And old Dayton Power and Light hold co trust debt issued in 2001 and matures in 2031 at a 8.45% YTM.

From Quantum Online:
Notes: November 03, 2022 -- The New York Stock Exchange (“NYSE”, the “Exchange”) announced today that the staff of NYSE Regulation has determined to commence proceedings to delist the PPLUS Class A 6.30% Callable Trust Certificates (“Certificates”), Series RRD-1 (Issued by R.R. Donnelley & Sons Company) of Merrill Lynch Depositor, Inc. (“Depositor”) — ticker symbol PYS — from the NYSE. Trading in the Depositor’s Certificates will be suspended immediately. NYSE Regulation has determined that the Depositor’s Certificates are no longer suitable for listing pursuant to Section 802.01D of the Listed Company Manual since they ceased to represent anything other than a right to a redemption in kind in connection with termination of the trust.

Can you expand on what you purchased today?
 
From Quantum Online:


Can you expand on what you purchased today?




Yea, I saw that.... but am upset that I got nothing from VG that it was happening... did not find out till yesterday looking at my holdings and wondering why I had bonds... also, they date VG has the exchange is 12/15


If I knew they were breaking up the trust I might have sold... now will likely hold to maturity
 
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