Traveling in 2009

You dont need a car, but yes parking is free most places. Where did you find NYNY for $33 / night?

Yes, cheap food is pretty much gone in Vegas. The $3.99 buffets are no more.
 
Yes, cheap food is pretty much gone in Vegas. The $3.99 buffets are no more.
Not $3.99, but there are still some pretty cheap buffets off the strip. I think there were some pretty cheap ones in the downtown Vegas area (Fremont Street). The buffets on the strip are, for the most part, considerably more expensive, especially at the fancier and newer casinos.
 
You dont need a car, but yes parking is free most places. Where did you find NYNY for $33 / night?

Yes, cheap food is pretty much gone in Vegas. The $3.99 buffets are no more.

travelocity.com using code "Bonus75" without the quotes. Try dates 1/25-1/28 and I get $95 total. It is buy 2 nights, get one free plus $75 off using the coupon code. I think the buy 2 get one deal might be only Sun-Wed/Thurs or something. Deal also comes with $20 in casino credit and 20% off food and spa (prob stuff you can get anyway with their coupon books). Is $95 for 3 nts a smokin good deal at NYNY?

I'm also still looking at Flamingo for $78 for 3 nts (using same buy 2 get one and $75 off) plus a $30 resort credit for food, etc. But it is the basic rooms and some reviews were down on the basic, unrenovated, non-"GO" rooms. The wife doesn't seem to like reviews of rooms consisting of "I saw a mold spore in the bathtub and I think I saw a paint chip in the bathroom". ;) Any recent experiences with the cheap rooms at Flamingo? I like the central location, but the upgraded rooms are 2x the price.

I'll probably go w/ NYNY unless I see something better. I'm seeing MGM and Mirage for under $200 for 3 nts, just not sure if it is 2x as good. Still looking into hotwire.com for potential good 4* and 5* deals that may work out cheaper.
 
Just had to comment to say how funny it is that basically every hotel I've looked at has some sort of BS fee added to the quoted room rate plus taxes.

Ranging from $4-6 per night, variably called "energy surcharge usage fee" or telephone access fee or resort fee, or something similar. I thought those were usually included in the basic room charge. I may have to assess a "I'm gonna stick as many rolls of toilet paper from yo hotel as I can in my carry on luggage" fee. I would fill up another suitcase and check it in on the flight back, but it would cost me $15 in extra fees from the airline! Heck, how's a crook sposeda get by with all these fees? ;)
 
Just had to comment to say how funny it is that basically every hotel I've looked at has some sort of BS fee added to the quoted room rate plus taxes.
Pretty much everything in the travel industry does that now. They like to advertise "low prices" that wind up being 50% higher after all the nickel and diming with taxes and other fees.

My wife has sold cruises in the past and she's noted that the cruise lines are doing everything they can to fold any price increases into these nickel and dime fees rather than the base fare -- for one thing, they can advertise a lower price (with "plus taxes and fees" in the fine print), and for another, the other taxes and fees are not commissionable, so it's one way to avoid having to pay travel agents a commission on the price increase.
 
Pretty much everything in the travel industry does that now. They like to advertise "low prices" that wind up being 50% higher after all the nickel and diming with taxes and other fees.

My wife has sold cruises in the past and she's noted that the cruise lines are doing everything they can to fold any price increases into these nickel and dime fees rather than the base fare -- for one thing, they can advertise a lower price (with "plus taxes and fees" in the fine print), and for another, the other taxes and fees are not commissionable, so it's one way to avoid having to pay travel agents a commission on the price increase.

This sort of thing seems to be happening everywhere now. It has even creeped into my industry (professional services). Clients already pay $80-$200 an hour for our professional services. A competitor likes to lowball, then charges for everything extra. Oh, you wanted hard copies of these reports? Sure, $50 each. You want _US_ to fedex them to you? Sure, $25 each for shipping. You want us to answer phone calls after we finish your report? $$$

I've noticed the same thing w/ cruises - Some are almost free, until you pay for taxes, fees, port charges, employees salaries (ie tips), fuel, etc. Our last one was quoted as ~$200 for a 7 day, then after all the taxes, fees, tips, etc were added in, it was closer to $500. An extra 150% surcharge!?!? Still cheap in the grand scheme of things.

At hotels, I may request that they bring extra soap, shampoo, toilet paper, tissues, showercaps, shoe shining kits, stationery, pens, disposable cups, coffee/tea/sugar packs etc to my room every day. Then TAKE THEM ALL!!! That'll show them. :) I'll call it a "stay enhancement contribution in lieu of fee".
 
Not $3.99, but there are still some pretty cheap buffets off the strip. I think there were some pretty cheap ones in the downtown Vegas area (Fremont Street). The buffets on the strip are, for the most part, considerably more expensive, especially at the fancier and newer casinos.

Right off the strip is the Ellis Island Casino and Brewery, a short walk from Bally's. A favorite for the locals with a steak dinner special of $6.99 (10 oz steak, no less, with salad and sides) plus brew. (It's not on the menu so you have to ask for the deal.) The price went up from $3.99 when I first went there in 1996. Way off the strip at the Silverton Casino is a $3.99 steak breakfast deal.

There are plenty of cheap eats and plenty of world-class restaurants, as well, at expensive prices, in Vegas.
 
Those sound like good meal deals. I never leave the strip so i didnt know about them.

If I had a choice of 3 nights at

NYNY for $95
Flamingo for $78
MGM or Mirage for close to $200

Thats a no brainer...NYNY every time. The rooms at NYNY, MGM or Mirage are virtually the same. I like the decor and theme of NYNY the best. No way I would pay double for MGM or Mirage.

Flamingo is a step down from any of the others and not worth trying to save $6 per night over NYNY.
 
If I had a choice of 3 nights at

NYNY for $95
Flamingo for $78
MGM or Mirage for close to $200

Thats a no brainer...NYNY every time. The rooms at NYNY, MGM or Mirage are virtually the same. I like the decor and theme of NYNY the best. No way I would pay double for MGM or Mirage.

Flamingo is a step down from any of the others and not worth trying to save $6 per night over NYNY.

I booked it. I ended up choosing "none of the above" for hotels (although I almost went with NYNY based on similar reasoning - wife wanted MGM for double, but didn't really know why??). We decided to stretch the trip a day and added a 4th night. We went with Harrah's - $138 total for 4 nights. Flights ended up at $123 a head from my southeast US airport. Rental car in vegas - 4 days total $65. Parking at my home airport 5 days - $26. Total - under $500 for 5 days, 4 nts in Vegas!!! Yippee!!

Utrecht, so is Harrah's a decent choice (up there w/ NYNY at least)?

We are planning on the dam tour, and not sure what else. Grand Canyon got nixed I think. Not up for 8+ hrs of bus-riding/driving to see it this time around...

The one downside is that our flight leaves from our home airport at 5:30 am, although we will arrive in vegas before 10:00 am (over 2000 miles away).

I'm thinking about brushing up on my blackjack basic strategy and trying my hand at the tables. Any $5 min tables left on the strip for a newb to blow a few bucks?

I'll be out there Jan 24-28 (hoping it won't be too cold).

Edited to add: Thanks for all the help/input, guys. I'll probably be back to ask a few more Q's when I start looking at things a little closer. Any favorite vegas websites with deals/attractions/budget-oriented travel stuff? I've found vegas.com has an ok page for cheap eats, and an about.com page was good, too.
 
We went with Harrah's - $138 total for 4 nights. Flights ended up at $123 a head from my southeast US airport. Rental car in vegas - 4 days total $65. Parking at my home airport 5 days - $26. Total - under $500 for 5 days, 4 nts in Vegas!!! Yippee!!

Gee! It's a dirt cheap vacation. I have not been to Vegas in a few years, and this got me interested.

Lemme see... Driving from Phoenix to LV, 5 hrs. Substract out airfare, car rental, AP parking. Add in cost of gas at $1.40/gallon.

Hey, who says travel has to be expensive? But I've got to find something to do when I get there, not wanting to do any gambling.
 
I envy your 5 hour drive. I would definitely trade my long cross country flight for your drive any day! Flying seems to get worse every year.

Now the airline I'm on charges for a sip of water ($2) and a bag of peanuts ($3). Of course you can't take a bottle of water on board the plane (if it is bigger than 3 oz). I wonder if I could fill 5 or 6 travel shampoo bottles full of water and carry them onboard that way? Maybe not (is it really worth the full body cavity search for smuggling water on a plane??).

It used to be you would consider flying somewhere if the drive was more than 4-5 hours. I wonder what the threshold is now? 8 hours? 9 hours? That's probably about it for me. The length of the flight and hassle and uncomfortable nature of it almost made the trip a no go.
 
Vegas is one of the best "people watching" venues in the US. Low cost, highly entertaining, and infinitely variable.

That's one thing we'll be doing plenty of. Maybe get up early (you know, around 9 am or so) and watch all the destitute losers* amble out of the casino after a night of hard playing.

*losers = no negative connotation intended, just saying that they lost money to the casino.
 
Now the airline I'm on charges for a sip of water ($2) and a bag of peanuts ($3). Of course you can't take a bottle of water on board the plane (if it is bigger than 3 oz). I wonder if I could fill 5 or 6 travel shampoo bottles full of water and carry them onboard that way? Maybe not (is it really worth the full body cavity search for smuggling water on a plane??).

Actually, I usually just bring an empty water bottle through security and then fill it at a water fountain before I board the plane. And bring you own peanuts or whatever.
 
Hey, who says travel has to be expensive? But I've got to find something to do when I get there, not wanting to do any gambling.
Are you kidding?!?

Get a recent Vegas guidebook and just go from casino to casino watching all the freebies. I'm referring to the freebies put on by the businesses, not the various personalities that REW has already mentioned...

Sitting in lobbies between the casino and the check-in elevators is particularly enlightening, especially when someone chooses to gamble "for just a minute" before they check in.

It's also particularly entertaining to sign up for the various free "how to gamble" classes, including blackjack & poker. Again, your fellow travelers will affirm your faith in humanity's ability to survive against all odds, no matter how disadvantaged some members continue to appear.
 
Actually, I usually just bring an empty water bottle through security and then fill it at a water fountain before I board the plane. And bring you own peanuts or whatever.

Hmm... I considered this and didn't know you could do that. Never had any TSA challenges over potential for filling your water bottle with explosives after the security checkpoint?

I just may do this. What has the world come to? Smuggling empty water bottles through airport security!!?? :D
 
Hmm... I considered this and didn't know you could do that. Never had any TSA challenges over potential for filling your water bottle with explosives after the security checkpoint?

I just may do this. What has the world come to? Smuggling empty water bottles through airport security!!?? :D

They don't care about empty bottles, just full ones. Theoretically there is nothing you could buy or scavenge past the security checkpoint that is dangerous.
 
They don't care about empty bottles, just full ones. Theoretically there is nothing you could buy or scavenge past the security checkpoint that is dangerous.

Interesting. I'm going to definitely try this.

If I end up in Gitmo for smuggling an empty water bottle through security, can you send someone to spring me free? :)
 
Don't sweat it. Gitmo is moving to Australia - so when they hang you from your ankles you'll actually be right side up. ;)

The torture in the relocated Gitmo is sure to be bad enough. But geez, think about how horrible that flight must be. What, like 20 hours or something??!! I think that might infringe on my 8th amendment rights. Do you think they'll have free water on the con air flight to australia?

Anyone else notice the irony of moving a prison camp to Australia, a former prison colony? :)
 
Anyone else notice the irony of moving a prison camp to Australia, a former prison colony? :)
Like the Star Trek episode/movie where Khan's craft was named the "Botany Bay"?
 
Not $3.99, but there are still some pretty cheap buffets off the strip. I think there were some pretty cheap ones in the downtown Vegas area (Fremont Street). The buffets on the strip are, for the most part, considerably more expensive, especially at the fancier and newer casinos.


The Fremont Hotel used to have a butt-kicking seafood buffet for an excellent price once a week, I almost had to be wheelbarrowed out of there a few times...but that's been a heckuva long time ago. Think 1996, so I can't say for sure if it existsanymore. Biggest pile of pre-peeled shrimp I think I ever saw! I just realized how long it's been since I've been to Vegas, I'm thinking it's time for a return engagement!
 
Ive never stayed at Harrahs. Im not sure Ive even been inside so I cant really comment. My impression of it from other people is that it should be fine.

Personally I like the hotels with a theme...ala NYNY which looks just like a NY neighborhood inside, or Paris which looks like....well you get the idea.

Im not sure if Harrahs has a theme or what it would be.
 
I would stay in a cheaper place, provided it is reasonably clean, then walk to a thematic place for dinner. Best of both worlds.
 
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