Chinese EVs will take over the world?

[RobLJ]

The oldest and grandkids live in the Central Valley near Merced, which is probably 40 miles or so past the Bolt's range. The RAV4 plugin with the electricity gets about 50 mpg, despite the fact we use it on longer trips. The Bolt works great here in Reno and for our hikes within about 50-70 miles from our house. I'm about to put all-terrain and all-weather tires on the RAV to get us over Donner Pass and over the Sierra to see the grandkids; that will be about 1000$, but a lot of people here wouldn't need to do this (I ski).

If you only had an E-vehicle, it might be a problem, but we have always been a two vehicle family, so the Bolt and RAV plug-in work perfectly together. I think other families with other use trends might have problems. We have solar panels, so our gasoline costs have ..... plummeted to about 25% of 2 years ago, or less.
If you are a car-fiend, the RAV4 Prime is a beast (0-60 is about 6 seconds) but neither of us really use this capability. I think the HP is about 260 due to 2 electrical motors and the gas motor. We are getting the 42 mile e-range advertised for the RAV, by the way.

[GTFan]

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Originally Posted by vchan2177 You missed my point of government reform. The government in China used to believe in a non-capitalist communist system during the Mao era which millions have indeed died. However, Mao is dead and the government has “reformed” into a modern capitalist socialist system based on a Fortune 500 company business model. Your timing is not correct. The new Chinese system took millions of people out of poverty. We should talk about what is happening now and not what happened in the past. A government who is now helping poor people can be better IMO than a government who is now helping rich people get richer. USA really need to do something about wealth inequality because China already have initiated a “common prosperity” program to address this issue. I am not saying that the Chinese government is better. I am saying every government must change or reform itself and not claim their system is a perfect one.

So I'm guessing you're ok with a Chairman Xi for life that is getting closer to taking back Taiwan by force even though it's been an independent democracy for decades? After completely squelching democracy, free speech, free press etc. in a Hong Kong that lived free for decades? One that has set up concentration camps and forced 'assimilation' for Uighurs?

No thanks, I'll take America with all its flaws.

[2177V]

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Originally Posted by GTFan So I'm guessing you're ok with a Chairman Xi for life that is getting closer to taking back Taiwan by force even though it's been an independent democracy for decades? After completely squelching democracy, free speech, free press etc. in a Hong Kong that lived free for decades? One that has set up concentration camps and forced 'assimilation' for Uighurs? No thanks, I'll take America with all its flaws.

No I am not ok with Xi for life, possible invasion of Taiwan, suppression of Hong Kong democracy movement, and re education camps of Uighur. I never supported that.

However, I am also not ok with US invasion of Iraq under the lie of WMD, $2 trillion dollars wasted in Afghanistan, not helping poor people get out of poverty, the rich getting richer and the grip of special interests in US politics. You made a statement that you appear to be ok with these issues in the USA. You must be one of those people who “trust” the US government no matter what.

That is the difference between you and I. I recognizes flaws and criticizes “both” countries and advocate government “reform” and changes in “both” countries. Since you accepted the flaws in the USA which means there are less likely reforms and changes in the USA government. You just proven exactly my point is that once you decided the US government is perfect or better than China then there is no reason to change or reform the US government for the good of all Americans.

All I was saying is that changes and reforms appear to be happening more in China than the USA. The likely reason for this: More Americans like you accept the status quo in the USA.

[OldShooter]

Churchill nailed it many years ago: “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”

Re "changes and reforms" which do you mean? Xi for life, threatened invasion of Taiwan, suppression of Hong Kong democracy movement, or concentration camps for Uighur?

[Walt34]

Thanks for the interesting discussion.

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