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How are you being ridiculed? Can you give an example?
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Absolutely. From yesterday's hike - 1) A young woman walked past us and did a fake sneeze when she got alongside us, 2) A 65+ senior mountain biker stopped as he passed us, looked back at us and started laughing, 3) A group of young 20-something hikers snickered as we stepped off the trail and waited for them to walk past.
All from one hike where we simply and calmly pulled up our masks as we saw folks approaching on the trail, no negative energy whatsoever by us.
Edit: I take that last sentence back - by the time we finished we were pretty replete with negative energy as a result of 1-3 above.
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I developed a headache and felt like passing out when I first wore an N95 mask. (I remember having the same symptoms in high elevation areas of Peru from lack of oxygen.) I used to get a sore throat wearing a medical kind of mask and so did my DH. My mom started sneezing a lot when she started wearing a mask. But after a while, my body adjusted and no more sore throat. My mom stopped sneezing as well. I think there's a learning curve (for the body and mind).
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I'm surprised to hear that, especially in California. I do not wear a mask, but just as I expect you to respect my right not to wear a mask I respect your right to wear a mask.
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You are being very polite by raising your masks when others pass you on the trail, and the others are really being a-holes. They just don’t get that you are protecting them more than yourselves.Absolutely. From yesterday's hike - 1) A young woman walked past us and did a fake sneeze when she got alongside us, 2) A 65+ senior mountain biker stopped as he passed us, looked back at us and started laughing, 3) A group of young 20-something hikers snickered as we stepped off the trail and waited for them to walk past.
All from one hike where we simply and calmly pulled up our masks as we saw folks approaching on the trail, no negative energy whatsoever by us.
Edit: I take that last sentence back - by the time we finished we were pretty replete with negative energy as a result of 1-3 above.
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+1 So far I only go out for groceries every 2-3 weeks and wear a mask. Hand sanitizer before I get into the car to drive home. The groceries are left in the garage for a few day (except for fresh or frozen items that are brought inside and washed/sanitized before putting away). I strip down in the garage and throw my clothes into the wash. Then I go directly to shower before a refreshing adult beverage. Anything else I order to be shipped to me. It is just the intelligent thing to do.
Do I wear a mask because of fear? No, I wear a mask out of courtesy to the rest of you. That is just the way I was raised.
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Absolutely. From yesterday's hike - 1) A young woman walked past us and did a fake sneeze when she got alongside us, 2) A 65+ senior mountain biker stopped as he passed us, looked back at us and started laughing, 3) A group of young 20-something hikers snickered as we stepped off the trail and waited for them to walk past.
All from one hike where we simply and calmly pulled up our masks as we saw folks approaching on the trail, no negative energy whatsoever by us.
Edit: I take that last sentence back - by the time we finished we were pretty replete with negative energy as a result of 1-3 above.
And NY'ers are stereotyped as being rude. I haven't seen anything like the above.
I guess this depends on where you live. If you live in my county you are mandated to wear a mask when you are in public and might come within 6 feet of another person. You are required to have a mask *with you* when you are out in public, even if you are more than 6 feet away, but you don't have to wear it if you are more than 6 feet away. You are required to have a mask on when dealing with public facing businesses (grocery stores, restaurant take out, etc.) I don't generally give respect to people who feel they are immune from rules that apply to everyone else. So if someone here isn't wearing a mask, or have a mask with them, I don't give them respect.
And back to the original topic - I vote with my handbook and won't be travelling to places that don't have rules in place. And I assume you won't be coming to San Diego where mask rules are in place.
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Absolutely. From yesterday's hike - 1) A young woman walked past us and did a fake sneeze when she got alongside us, 2) A 65+ senior mountain biker stopped as he passed us, looked back at us and started laughing, 3) A group of young 20-something hikers snickered as we stepped off the trail and waited for them to walk past.
All from one hike where we simply and calmly pulled up our masks as we saw folks approaching on the trail, no negative energy whatsoever by us.
Edit: I take that last sentence back - by the time we finished we were pretty replete with negative energy as a result of 1-3 above.
If this would have happened to me I would be inclined to yell "I think I may be a Covid carrier I am trying to prevent you from catching it." There are a lot of idiots out there.
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Indeed it does. Masks are not required to be worn in most places, and even in those places where people think you are required to wear a mask, such as in New York, there are no penalties for not wearing a mask...
It will be up to police departments and sheriff's offices to enforce compliance with the new order, which is meant to help slow the torrid spread of the novel coronavirus in New York, the country's COVID-19 epicenter. But Cuomo has made clear: Nobody will be taken to jail for violating the mask order. And as of now, there are no fines or civil penalties either, meaning law enforcement can't do much other than remind offenders they must cover their face.
"The local governments have police forces," Cuomo said Thursday on CNN. "They can enforce it. They will enforce it. We don't have a civil fine that goes with this now, but we could. And I believe people are going to follow it."
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Executive orders that aren’t enforceable put police in “an impossible situation,” said Pat Phelan, police chief in the town of Greece, near Rochester. Phelan, who is president of the state Association of Chiefs of Police, said his officers wouldn’t approach someone who may not be in compliance with the order because there aren’t penalties in place.
https://www.democratandchronicle.co...r-takes-effect-how-police-enforce/5151375002/
The same is true in Los Angeles County...
Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villaneuva and L.A. Police Chief Michel Moore aren’t about to cite anyone right now, but officers will offer a few words of encouragement from behind their own masks, worn to reduce the spread of the novel coronavirus.
“We are looking for voluntary compliance. We have discussed it with all the police chiefs in the county,” Villaneuva said. “We aren’t talking enforcement here.” Villaneuva, wearing his own mask, said it is about people doing the right thing for others when they are heading out to essential businesses and are around others.
https://www.latimes.com/california/...en-shopping-heres-what-authorities-are-saying
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I guess it depends on the definition of required: Lack of a specific legal penalty is a pretty low bar IMO. But if you want to say it's not required-under-penalty-of-law, you win.
From the article:
that is enough for me.
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I mentioned this before.
In Asian countries, the citizens are told to wear masks simply to protect themselves. This message is very straightforward, and most people comply.
In US however, due to the shortage of masks, the government started to tell people that masks do not protect you so do not wear them. Later, it changed to say that wearing a cloth mask is to protect others. (Shortage still, so do not go out and buy N95). This requires all citizens to have higher moral standard in order to burden oneself just to protect others. The rate of compliance is much lower with this message.
What is the penalty of not wearing one? You may get the virus, and you may die.
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I don't claim to be an expert, but based on what I have read wearing a mask does not protect you from getting the virus, it might protect others from getting it from you...
the general [sic] consensus among experts is that while wearing some type of mask might not do much to protect you from catching the coronavirus, it might help prevent you from infecting others if you have COVID-19.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/america-asia-face-mask-coronavirus/609283/
Aside from the U.S. government flip flopping on the need for everyone to wear a mask in public, the World Health Organization does not recommend that everyone wear masks in public, only sick people...
As the U.S. mulls asking the general public to wear homemade or cloth masks outdoors, the World Health Organization still officially recommends the use of masks only for sick people or those taking care of someone who is sick.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...al-public-but-will-support-countrys-decisions
Anyone who wants to wear a mask should wear a mask, and should not be shamed for it, but let's not do the reverse and present this as a black and white issue because it's not.
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For the most part, this is true. This is some benefit for protection from a virus, assuming you are utilizing proper practices with the mask. Touch the front of the mask at any time, and you are exposing yourself to whatever is layered there, whether from your own breathing or from the air around you.
I see FAR too many people touching their masks while in a store. I also see them raising and dropping their masks entering and exiting the stores.
I am not an expert either. The fact that all healthcare workers, first resonders, and many essential workers are told to wear one, is an indication that masks do protect you. If a droplet can be stopped going out of your month by your mask, the same mask can also stop droplets coming to you.
You may need to wear a N95 mask (like most S Korea citizens are told to wear) in order to effectively protect yourself. Since we can't buy any of them right now, the next best thing is to wear a surgical mask. If you can't even get that, wear a cloth one.
There is chart showing the effectiveness of masks protecting you from various materials, from N95 (95%), to surgical mask, to schawl (60%). Bottom line, wear anything is better than completely naked.
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Might not be a long term meaningful number, but the % of cases in healthcare workers is lower than the general population in NY, based on more antibody numbers shared today. Could be HC workers are better with overall hygiene or any number of things, of course. Or it could be the masks a bit?
But yes, I wear one because I might be asymptomatic, and it protects everyone around me in public. Bonus if I'm not already carrying but reduce my chance for infection as a result.
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A couple of people in my area in Ontario, Canada were fined $750 (minimum) for breaking the COVID-19 rules. (One person would not stop playing basketball in the park after being asked to stop several times, and I can't remember the second one), but I think those were the first and last violations, so maybe people realized that the govt was serious.
Japan is worse than NY. The Japanese govt doesn't have the power to force businesses to close - there's no law to enfoce lockdown even in a state of emergency. All they can do is request people to comply, and most businesses do comply, but it's not as easy with regular folks, so before a week-long national holiday (Golden Week) coming up, the govt closed down state-managed parking spaces (to beaches etc) well as closing off some of the major expressways.
Evidently some pachinko parlors would not close...
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...nko-parlors-coronavirus-closure/#.XrRfO-jYrrc
Japan is worse than NY. The Japanese govt doesn't have the power to force businesses to close - there's no law to enfoce lockdown even in a state of emergency. All they can do is request people to comply, and most businesses do comply, but it's not as easy with regular folks, so before a week-long national holiday (Golden Week) coming up, the govt closed down state-managed parking spaces (to beaches etc) well as closing off some of the major expressways.
Evidently some pachinko parlors would not close...
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...nko-parlors-coronavirus-closure/#.XrRfO-jYrrc
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I agree. The flip-flopping definitely hurt us to be convinced of the need for masks, plus I saw in the news some of the prominent govt officials not wearing facial coverings in close proximity to other people, so that gives people the idea that masks are not really necessary.
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my sentiment. or say 'masks are for sick people' while coughing.
I would have said a lot worse.
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OP here--I don't normally eat at fast food places but there are 2 fast food places in my town doing good things--
McDonalds is giving a free lunch everyday to kids under 12
Chick Filet is giving a free sandwich to all nurses.
If I ever do decide to buy a fast food meal I will remember this and give these places some business.
McDonalds is giving a free lunch everyday to kids under 12
Chick Filet is giving a free sandwich to all nurses.
If I ever do decide to buy a fast food meal I will remember this and give these places some business.
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We are starting phase one tomorrow which means restaurants can open at 50% capacity. We will eat at local restaurants that have outside dining.
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Big Box stores in Wilmington are 50/50 masks. I’m kinda taken back by the amount of elderly women you see in stores without a mask.
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