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04-01-2020, 12:34 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Mid-Atlantic
Posts: 2,654
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Great to hear, sengsational. BA operates two flights a day on the route I'm ticketed on, and they've cancelled the one I'm NOT on for as far as I can check their schedule, so I may have to take a voucher. But I'm very good at playing chicken, I can wait.
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04-01-2020, 12:35 PM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: West of the Mississippi
Posts: 17,173
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A friend had a flight to a South American country (Bolivia?). About a week before the flight the country made it quite clear that they would not admit anybody from certain countries, including the USA. But the airline did not cancel the flight which left from Los Angeles.
My friend booked the flight on a South American airline using a site that specializes in cheap trips. Needless to say it was a very inexpensive ticket. But, it turned out to be one of the most expensive flights he ever bought since he went nowhere. The travel service won't do anything to help him out. The airline's response was "Well, we did operate the flight. It's not our problem if the country won't let you in. To Bad, So Sad."
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04-01-2020, 12:54 PM
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#1063
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: West of the Mississippi
Posts: 17,173
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I understand the cruise lines are exempt form the Federal help because most of their ships are registered in foreign countries.
Why would they they register ships in another country ?
If they owned a ship registered in the USA would the Feds help out just that ship?
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04-01-2020, 01:02 PM
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#1064
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 8,368
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuckanut
Why would they they register ships in another country ?
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Regulations, taxes, hiring practices?
(I recall, almost 60 years ago when for a short time I drove truck picking up goods at the Melbourne, Australia, docks, that a substantial number of freighters were registered in Monrovia, Liberia......don't know if that's still the case.)
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04-01-2020, 01:02 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Southern California
Posts: 3,995
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuckanut
I understand the cruise lines are exempt form the Federal help because most of their ships are registered in foreign countries.
Why would they they register ships in another country ?
If they owned a ship registered in the USA would the Feds help out just that ship?
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By registering the ships in far away countries they are able to avoid being subject to US labor laws, which would never allow workers to be subject to 7 day a week 14 hour work days with no overtime or time off. The people who work on cruise ships are one step above slave labor. They come from poor countries and they are desperate for work. The US would never allow this but because the ships are foreign registered there is nothing they can do about it.
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04-01-2020, 01:42 PM
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#1066
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: West of the Mississippi
Posts: 17,173
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ready
By registering the ships in far away countries they are able to avoid being subject to US labor laws, which would never allow workers to be subject to 7 day a week 14 hour work days with no overtime or time off. The people who work on cruise ships are one step above slave labor. They come from poor countries and they are desperate for work. The US would never allow this but because the ships are foreign registered there is nothing they can do about it.
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So, in regards to this current crisis, the Cruise Lines essentially chose to take a chance. Since much of the Federal rescue is aimed at preserving good American jobs (or so we are told), I guess bailing them out would not be a high priority. I am assuming (there's that dangerous word again) that American citizens make up a small percentage of a cruise lines total employees.
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04-01-2020, 02:05 PM
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#1068
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Rio Grande Valley
Posts: 38,008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuckanut
Really? That does not sound like "Cancel for any reason" to me. Not that I am arguing with you. I do see this as another part of the Lawyer's Full Employment Act. I wonder what the settlement will be?
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The language in my not CFAR trip insurance specifically excluded pandemics.
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04-01-2020, 02:14 PM
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#1069
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 8,368
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuckanut
I am assuming (there's that dangerous word again) that American citizens make up a small percentage of a cruise lines total employees.
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Almost infinitesimal from my limited observation.
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04-01-2020, 02:23 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Southern California
Posts: 3,995
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuckanut
So, in regards to this current crisis, the Cruise Lines essentially chose to take a chance. Since much of the Federal rescue is aimed at preserving good American jobs (or so we are told), I guess bailing them out would not be a high priority. I am assuming (there's that dangerous word again) that American citizens make up a small percentage of a cruise lines total employees.
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Correct. Americans work at their corporate headquarters, typically in Florida. And sometimes the cruise ship director is American. But that’s about it. No American would ever work for the pay and hours offered to cruise ship workers.
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04-01-2020, 02:26 PM
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#1071
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Spending the Kids Inheritance and living in Chicago
Posts: 17,012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunset
My host said no problem.
Airbnb emailed me, and said full refund back to CC
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So did mine
This is making me wish I had booked AirBnb for our London stays, as currently they say no refund.
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04-01-2020, 02:37 PM
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#1072
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 35,712
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On the cruises I took more than 20 years ago, the wine stewardesses were American. Same with the cabin attendants. The waiter on one cruise was French. The waiter on another cruise was from Montenegro.
In the recent cruise I took 2 years ago, the crew was mostly Filipinos and Indonesian.
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04-01-2020, 08:27 PM
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#1073
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: West of the Mississippi
Posts: 17,173
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Quote:
Originally Posted by audreyh1
The language in my not CFAR trip insurance specifically excluded pandemics.
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What the big print promises, the fine print takes away.
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04-01-2020, 08:49 PM
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 406
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I was planning to spend the month of August in Edinburgh. I got a notice today that the Edinburgh International Festival, the Fringe Festival and the Book Festival are all cancelled this year. I was quite surprised that they are canceling events four months out.
I had already booked an Airbnb for the month, and a business class flight. I have a feeling it will be a while before I know if I will get anything back from either of these. The Royal Military Tattoo has already emailed to say they are processing a refund of my tickets.
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04-01-2020, 11:09 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Portland
Posts: 1,708
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Quote:
Originally Posted by luckydude
Has anyone successfully gotten a refund from a cancelled Virgin Atlantic flight? I have a direct flight to London scheduled for 5/31 that I hope they will cancel so I can get my money back.
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They just canceled my April 15 flight (SFO-LHR). They are not making it easy to get a refund. Easy to find the link to keep your credit open or rebook (until April 30 I think) I haven't gone down any rabbit trails yet. I'm probably going to look on Flyer Talk to see if anyone has had any luck
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04-02-2020, 06:11 AM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Mid-Atlantic
Posts: 2,654
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrapr
They just canceled my April 15 flight (SFO-LHR). They are not making it easy to get a refund. Easy to find the link to keep your credit open or rebook (until April 30 I think) I haven't gone down any rabbit trails yet. I'm probably going to look on Flyer Talk to see if anyone has had any luck
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Well, you're in luck, though; if your flight was cancelled, you can insist on a refund. You might have to call in and wait on hold for a while, though. I am really hoping my flight is cancelled, but for the last couple of days they've cancelled the earlier of the two flights on that route, and I'm on the later one. Oh well, I could always get a voucher if I can't get a refund, but I really would prefer a refund at this point.
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04-02-2020, 06:49 AM
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#1077
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Back woods of Fennario
Posts: 1,170
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The airlines that I do (did, maybe....) business with and let market to me have completely stopped marketing too me. No fare sales, no "we are in this together....", no nuthin'.
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04-02-2020, 07:08 AM
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Full time employment: Posting here.
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 889
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cosmic Avenger
Well, you're in luck, though; if your flight was cancelled, you can insist on a refund. You might have to call in and wait on hold for a while, though. I am really hoping my flight is cancelled, but for the last couple of days they've cancelled the earlier of the two flights on that route, and I'm on the later one. Oh well, I could always get a voucher if I can't get a refund, but I really would prefer a refund at this point.
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When I called United for my cancelled flight on Monday, the hold time was 15 seconds, and it took the rep 2 minutes to refund my taxes and fees and redeposit my miles. Very painless.
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04-02-2020, 07:59 AM
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#1079
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 11,701
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What would you do?
Our tour this summer was postponed two years to 2022. We had paid in full via their terms. The fine print has all kinds of outs for them. Surprised they didn't just take it all.
They have offered the following settlements:
- Refund all but 23% of our payment. So, we are out 23%.
- Refund all but 40%, and put the 40% for a credit for the 2022 trip.
I think I'm going to take the money and run, get the hell out. I really don't care if I never travel again. My state and region of the USA still has plenty to see by day trips, or quick overnighters. I have no stomach for huge downpayments anymore.
If I do this, I can try and deal with AIG for the remainder - or at least a return of my premium - but that's another matter. They all also full of **** have plenty of out-clauses in their fine print.
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04-02-2020, 08:04 AM
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#1080
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 9,953
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JoeWras, how did you pay? Any chance you can lobby your CC company for a complete refund of your money?
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