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Old 04-14-2021, 07:06 AM   #261
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Had my 2nd Pfizer yesterday, and my arm was not even sore. This morning, my shoulder is quite sore, my whole arm is tingling, my back aches, and I have a slight headache. If this is as much as I get, then it is not that big of a deal.
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Old 04-14-2021, 09:24 PM   #262
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Have had the 2 Moderna vaxes with side effects (nasty vertigo was one) and today got the 10 year tetanus booster and the Pneumovax 23. My immune system doesn't know what's going on . Chills and aches. Going to bed after I finish my evening tea . Hoping it's also a one day thing. I think I'll wait a couple of months before I get the Shingrix vax.
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Tomorrow will mark the 2 week period after my second Pfizer vaccine. I had no reactions to #1 nor #2 except for a little soreness in the arm. My husband had the same experience. Friends reported naps and long hours of good sleep, which I was hoping for ... but alas, it wasn't meant to be for me.
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Received the second Pfizer jab yesterday. Sore arm just like the first time. Woke me up last night. I felt fairly poorly two days after the first jab, but that passed after just one day. I have a tee time this afternoon with a great excuse all lined up for any poor shots!
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Moderna vaccine and wow, I guess my immune system is firing up because my whole body aches.

At least those fellas in the trenches will be ready when Mr. Covid comes whistling along. The troops have definitely been rallied.
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Old 04-16-2021, 04:14 AM   #266
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I had fever and aches for about 36 hours after my second Moderna shot, starting about 18 hours in. 12 hours after the fever broke, my energy level returned to normal. I attribute the body aches to the fever itself.

I slept a lot and let the fever run its course. DS got Pfizer vaccine, as did DH. They had no side effects.

I don’t mind my robust immune response. Apparently more women report side effects.
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Well after 2 days, my brother has no side effects from his first shot of Moderna; not even a sore arm.
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I had zero side effects after my first pfizer shot, not even a sore arm.
My second one was a disaster for 36 hours. 103 fever, bad back pain, headache and fatigue. It was no picnic, but I would do it again in a heartbeat to be protected from covid.
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It's been 48 hours after the 2nd Pfizer jab for me. My arm is less sore than the first time and no other side effects I have noticed. DW get the 2nd Moderna jab the middle of next week.
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Had the second Moderna shot on Tuesday afternoon. Sore arm that night and fever, fatigue and aching skin by noon on Wednesday - over in about 12 hours. Covid arm returned on Thursday with redness around the injection site and sore lymph nodes today.
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In the months after the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines arrived, I have been thinking of a hypothesis. Before anyone hammers at me, remember the definition of "hypothesis".
Here it is... Covid-19 may be the first appearance of a "Catalyst Virus" (I made up the moniker). In a nutshell, IF it turns out that the damage done to the body from a Covid-19 infection is a result of an immunological system overreaction to the virus, in effect, the virus does not directly damage/kill, but a person's particular body's overreaction to the virus does. With this, "Immunological System" should not be looked at as some body-global effect, as in "I have a good Immunological System". Instead, immune system on a per-body basis would be much more nuanced, can not make global statements about a particular body.

If this hypothesis eventually proves to be true, can a predictor be derived via who had more reaction to a Covid-19 vaccine? Instead of a common positive "If I have a reaction to the vaccine, that's ok, I must have a robust immune system" thinking, could it be the reverse? Could those, like DW and I, who had zero effects from the Pfizer vaccine doses, have been the least likely to have ended up in a hospital on a ventilator, or deceased? And those who had relatively strong reaction(s) from a Covid-19 vaccine have been the most likely to be a statistic, if they had not been vaccinated?

It seems it would be a tough hypothesis to test! If an individual specitivity of sectors of immune system are assumed (and I don't know how "sectors" are defined, probably something different than now), then it would seem that clones would be needed, one to get the vaccine, the other, to not!

Remember, it's a hypothesis.

EDIT: I would have preferred to start a new topic with this post, but figured it would be just merged into an existing Covid-19 topic anyway, so I might as well pick one.
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Got my second Moderna shot yesterday. Sore at injection site in evening. Then in bed overnight I was very chilled and aching. To the point I put a t-shirt on and extra blanket. Didn't sleep much at all. Basically feels like flu. First shot was no more than slightly tender arm. Second shot had big reactions. Feeling little better now 18 hours after shot. This reaction was not expected, kicking my ass in the short term.
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In the months after the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines arrived, I have been thinking of a hypothesis. Before anyone hammers at me, remember the definition of "hypothesis".
Here it is... Covid-19 may be the first appearance of a "Catalyst Virus" (I made up the moniker). In a nutshell, IF it turns out that the damage done to the body from a Covid-19 infection is a result of an immunological system overreaction to the virus, in effect, the virus does not directly damage/kill, but a person's particular body's overreaction to the virus does. With this, "Immunological System" should not be looked at as some body-global effect, as in "I have a good Immunological System". Instead, immune system on a per-body basis would be much more nuanced, can not make global statements about a particular body.

If this hypothesis eventually proves to be true, can a predictor be derived via who had more reaction to a Covid-19 vaccine? Instead of a common positive "If I have a reaction to the vaccine, that's ok, I must have a robust immune system" thinking, could it be the reverse? Could those, like DW and I, who had zero effects from the Pfizer vaccine doses, have been the least likely to have ended up in a hospital on a ventilator, or deceased? And those who had relatively strong reaction(s) from a Covid-19 vaccine have been the most likely to be a statistic, if they had not been vaccinated?

It seems it would be a tough hypothesis to test! If an individual specitivity of sectors of immune system are assumed (and I don't know how "sectors" are defined, probably something different than now), then it would seem that clones would be needed, one to get the vaccine, the other, to not!

Remember, it's a hypothesis.

EDIT: I would have preferred to start a new topic with this post, but figured it would be just merged into an existing Covid-19 topic anyway, so I might as well pick one.
Clever idea. I'll bet that there will be enough breakthrough of the virus and its variants that this could still be tested if the medical community thought it had validity.

I had zero reaction to either shot (Pfizer), DW's arm was super sore after both shots and she a low fever and headache from the 2nd one (Moderna).
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Got my second Moderna shot yesterday. Sore at injection site in evening. Then in bed overnight I was very chilled and aching. To the point I put a t-shirt on and extra blanket. Didn't sleep much at all. Basically feels like flu. First shot was no more than slightly tender arm. Second shot had big reactions. Feeling little better now 18 hours after shot. This reaction was not expected, kicking my ass in the short term.
My second shot has been delayed "twice" so far due to shortages...Maybe I should take that as a message from above especially since I had unpleasant reactions to the first shot..
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If this hypothesis eventually proves to be true, can a predictor be derived via who had more reaction to a Covid-19 vaccine? Instead of a common positive "If I have a reaction to the vaccine, that's ok, I must have a robust immune system" thinking, could it be the reverse? Could those, like DW and I, who had zero effects from the Pfizer vaccine doses, have been the least likely to have ended up in a hospital on a ventilator, or deceased? And those who had relatively strong reaction(s) from a Covid-19 vaccine have been the most likely to be a statistic, if they had not been vaccinated?
I'll challenge your hypothesis on one well known point:
Overall, vaccine reactions in the over 65 population are less common. Overall, this population has suffered the greatest mortality from the actual virus.
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I'll challenge your hypothesis on one well known point:
Overall, vaccine reactions in the over 65 population are less common. Overall, this population has suffered the greatest mortality from the actual virus.
I do believe my reaction may have been more severe because I am younger than 65. (I just turned 52) It would make sense to me that my immune response would be more robust than an older persons.

Those who I know who had more of a reaction have been younger. My husband is 59, he had a sore arm with a low grade fever and fatigue. We did both feel 100% normal again after around 32 hours. It was a wild ride.
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Here's one side effect. I've experienced it myself.
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Day after my 2nd Pfizer shot today - pretty minor. Arm was sore for half the day. Very slight headache off and on. I wasn’t nearly as fatigued as DH was after his. Did some chores and a little exercise but otherwise took it pretty easy.
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More good news on the efficacy of the vaccines:

https://www.theinsight.org/p/facts-a...-a-puzzle-not?
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The CDC study also notes an efficacy calculation: “Vaccine was 86.5% protective against symptomatic illness among residents and 87.1% protective among HCP.”
A nursing home full of old folks with weaker immune systems, clustered together for easy spread of the virus, and with many co-morbidities, still sees vaccine effectiveness of well over 80%. Now that is good news.
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