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02-22-2021, 05:33 PM
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#141
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Fair Lawn
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Sunday, 10 days after our second shot, we visited my son (he and his DW also vaccinated) ...........and our 2 grandchildren. The youngest is not yet 3 and won't wear a mask, but everyone else did. Got lots of overdue hugs, and sat on the floor to play with blocks with the 3 year old. It was joyous.
In a couple of days, on to the other pair of grandkids!
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02-22-2021, 05:39 PM
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#142
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Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Tampa
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Originally Posted by mystang52
Sunday, 10 days after our second shot, we visited my son (he and his DW also vaccinated) ...........and our 2 grandchildren. The youngest is not yet 3 and won't wear a mask, but everyone else did. Got lots of overdue hugs, and sat on the floor to play with blocks with the 3 year old. It was joyous.
In a couple of days, on to the other pair of grandkids! 
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Very nice. The way it should be.
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02-23-2021, 12:22 PM
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#143
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: San Diego
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mystang52
Sunday, 10 days after our second shot, we visited my son (he and his DW also vaccinated) ...........and our 2 grandchildren. The youngest is not yet 3 and won't wear a mask, but everyone else did. Got lots of overdue hugs, and sat on the floor to play with blocks with the 3 year old. It was joyous.
In a couple of days, on to the other pair of grandkids! 
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So happy for you! Your post made me smile.
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02-23-2021, 01:11 PM
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Feb 2021
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A cautionary tale:
I am a physician. We see COVID patients. The entire staff has had both doses of their vaccine. We take all of the appropriate precautions at work.
One staff member, who had the 2nd dose in mid January, got sick yesterday and tested positive for COVID.
The vaccine isn't a get out of jail free card. It doesn't mean you can resume all of your normal activities or stop wearing a mask and distancing. You are still at risk of catching it. You are still at risk of transmitting it to others. You're less likely to get seriously ill, but that's really the main benefit as far as we know right now.
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02-23-2021, 02:00 PM
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#145
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: No Country for Old Men
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Originally Posted by disneysteve
A cautionary tale:
I am a physician. We see COVID patients. The entire staff has had both doses of their vaccine. We take all of the appropriate precautions at work.
One staff member, who had the 2nd dose in mid January, got sick yesterday and tested positive for COVID.
The vaccine isn't a get out of jail free card. It doesn't mean you can resume all of your normal activities or stop wearing a mask and distancing. You are still at risk of catching it. You are still at risk of transmitting it to others. You're less likely to get seriously ill, but that's really the main benefit as far as we know right now.
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Thanks for posting this and pointing out an example of why thinking we're bulletproof after being vaccinated could lead to an unfortunate outcome.
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02-23-2021, 02:45 PM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Sep 2012
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5% is still 1 out of 20. Not insignificant.
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02-23-2021, 04:25 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Originally Posted by REWahoo
Thanks for posting this and pointing out an example of why thinking we're bulletproof after being vaccinated could lead to an unfortunate outcome.
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Guess I’m trying to understand what the unfortunate outcome was. In his post he said someone with the vaccine later got Covid. But no description of severity. If he got an asymptomatic case of Covid then I say ‘so what’. Sounds pretty bulletproof to me.
If vaccines don’t solve this thing called Covid then what the heck will? I’m fully vaccinated and I feel pretty bulletproof when it comes to Covid. That is, as bulletproof as one can feel about anything I suppose. It’s almost like lots of folks don’t really want this to end...paging Dr. Fauci.
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02-23-2021, 05:01 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
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Originally Posted by MuirWannabe
Guess I’m trying to understand what the unfortunate outcome was. In his post he said someone with the vaccine later got Covid. But no description of severity. If he got an asymptomatic case of Covid then I say ‘so what’. Sounds pretty bulletproof to me.
If vaccines don’t solve this thing called Covid then what the heck will? I’m fully vaccinated and I feel pretty bulletproof when it comes to Covid. That is, as bulletproof as one can feel about anything I suppose. It’s almost like lots of folks don’t really want this to end...paging Dr. Fauci.
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Well he did say his coworker "got sick" and then tested positive for Covid. So the coworker is not asymptomatic but we don't know how sick the coworker is, probably too early to tell. I am almost 2 weeks from the second vaccine and don't feel bullet proof at all. I do believe that if I catch Covid I will not be as sick as I would have been without the vaccine. In my opinion we are just too early in the vaccination process for any of us to feel bulletproof.
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02-23-2021, 05:23 PM
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#149
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: West of the Mississippi
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Originally Posted by REWahoo
Thanks for posting this and pointing out an example of why thinking we're bulletproof after being vaccinated could lead to an unfortunate outcome.
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I look at my vaccination as an additional layer of powerful protection that is always with me. And I can't mess up by forgetting about it, misusing it, or choosing to ignore it for the sake of convenience. It will have great value when one is in a situation where exposure to potential virus shedders cannot be avoided.
I am thinking of the recent Texas freeze. Imagine if a friend's family has no power at their home and you do. You invite them to share your spare bedroom in your cozy warm house with the windows closed and lots of air to share over and over and over again. I would think most of us would sleep better knowing that the vaccine was boosting our immunity.
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02-23-2021, 05:23 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: May 2008
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The coworker could end up being a long hauler for all we know.
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02-23-2021, 06:16 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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We will *never* be bulletproof, but at some point, you're going to be more willing to accept the risk.
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02-23-2021, 06:41 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
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I would be willing to travel this year if we're allowed into some of these countries -- most of them are way behind in vaccinations compared to the US so that may not happen.
But if it means for instance, takeouts, reduced restaurant hours and closures of many indoor venues like museums and such, I'd accept that trade off and still spend some money.
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02-23-2021, 06:56 PM
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#153
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NE Tarrant County
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Originally Posted by disneysteve
The vaccine isn't a get out of jail free card. It doesn't mean you can resume all of your normal activities or stop wearing a mask and distancing. You are still at risk of catching it. You are still at risk of transmitting it to others. You're less likely to get seriously ill, but that's really the main benefit as far as we know right now.
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I guess it depends on what is meant by normal activities. Once two weeks passing from my 2nd shot (got it today), I will undertake some normal activities. The mammogram I would have normally gotten 2 months ago, I can now schedule. I can go into Target to buy the one product that only they carry in this area and it can't be bought curbside. I won't spend the day leisurely shopping but I can walk in, find an item and buy it. The friend whose household has been fully vaccinated who also never goes out except to do pickup. I will visit her. Maybe I will get my hair cut (haven't been to a hairdresser in a year).
Those aren't all my normal activities. But, I have put off tons of things like that for a year. And with being fully vaccinated, yes, I will do them. I won't go to concerts, or go eat in a restaurant, or go to a bar (which I never did anyway) right now. But I do feel I can go to some of these other places I avoided for a year.
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02-23-2021, 08:27 PM
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Location: Rio Grande Valley
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Originally Posted by MuirWannabe
Guess I’m trying to understand what the unfortunate outcome was. In his post he said someone with the vaccine later got Covid. But no description of severity. If he got an asymptomatic case of Covid then I say ‘so what’. Sounds pretty bulletproof to me.
If vaccines don’t solve this thing called Covid then what the heck will? I’m fully vaccinated and I feel pretty bulletproof when it comes to Covid. That is, as bulletproof as one can feel about anything I suppose. It’s almost like lots of folks don’t really want this to end...paging Dr. Fauci.
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It is not yet known how much the vaccine reduces transmission. That’s why people are asked to continue to take precautions. Bulletproof would be complete immunity and not able to infect someone else.
Reduced chances of getting Covid and very low chances of hospitalization or death is is huge improvement compared to no vaccine.
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02-23-2021, 09:02 PM
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#155
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Feb 2021
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MuirWannabe
Guess I’m trying to understand what the unfortunate outcome was. In his post he said someone with the vaccine later got Covid. But no description of severity. If he got an asymptomatic case of Covid then I say ‘so what’. Sounds pretty bulletproof to me.
If vaccines don’t solve this thing called Covid then what the heck will? I’m fully vaccinated and I feel pretty bulletproof when it comes to Covid. That is, as bulletproof as one can feel about anything I suppose. It’s almost like lots of folks don’t really want this to end...paging Dr. Fauci.
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The person in question ended up in the hospital with chest pain. That's where the COVID diagnosis was made. So no, not asymptomatic. They are now out of work for 10 days and their spouse is quarantined and out of work as well (she hasn't been vaccinated and is 10 years older and at higher risk).
Vaccines will help solve COVID, but not until the vast majority of the population has been vaccinated. Right now, about 13% of the US has had at least one dose and only 6% has had both doses. We're not even close.
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02-23-2021, 09:11 PM
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#156
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by disneysteve
The person in question ended up in the hospital with chest pain. That's where the COVID diagnosis was made. So no, not asymptomatic. They are now out of work for 10 days and their spouse is quarantined and out of work as well (she hasn't been vaccinated and is 10 years older and at higher risk).
Vaccines will help solve COVID, but not until the vast majority of the population has been vaccinated. Right now, about 13% of the US has had at least one dose and only 6% has had both doses. We're not even close.
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They had chest pain and while being treated tested positive for Covid. Do they have classic Covid symptoms. Current Covid numbers don't seem to support your last paragraph.
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Yesterday, 03:05 AM
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Location: N. Yorkshire
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Up until the start of February our son was in our “family bubble” as he lives alone and close by, and wasn’t going into work. 3 weeks ago he started a new job and has been going into the office so we have been isolating from him. In 3 weeks time we will confident in being with him outside in our gardens, socially distanced.
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Yesterday, 06:07 AM
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#158
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Oct 2014
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I am at ten days post Moderna #2 and while my behavior hasn’t changed (still masking, etc) my comfort level has.
Yesterday there were two instances where I had to interact with people wearing their mask on their neck, not covering their face at all. Previous to my second vaccination I would have either asked them to pull up their mask or, if it were a short interaction, just uneasily powered through. Today I just did my business knowing that I am almost as immune as I’m going to get, and it’s the other person’s problem to not be masked.
Because it’s my duty to protect our clients, I have to be the mask police at my summer job and my volunteer activity. It’s nice to not feel the need to be the mask police everywhere I go.
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Yesterday, 06:28 AM
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#159
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Northern Illinois
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Originally Posted by disneysteve
...The vaccine isn't a get out of jail free card. It doesn't mean you can resume all of your normal activities or stop wearing a mask and distancing. You are still at risk of catching it. You are still at risk of transmitting it to others. You're less likely to get seriously ill, but that's really the main benefit as far as we know right now.
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That's the way I see it. I'm getting my 2nd dose soon, but I'm not going to change my behavior. Still going to wear a mask and/or distance myself from people. I see the vaccine only as a means to reduce severity of illness if I'm infected by Covid.
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Yesterday, 07:01 AM
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#160
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Grand Junction
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DW and I have been pretty cautious, so our behavior will change significantly after our second shot.
- Will go around vaccinated friends in an unmasked state (ride in cars or visit inside homes, etc.).
- Will go into stores and not be in a huge hurry to get our stuff and get out.
-Will start going into restaurants again for indoor dining (might have to work up to this one).
- Will start hiking busier trials again and will only step off the trail when meeting other hikers on the trail (will carry mask, but will only mask-up if they do).
- Will start biking on bike paths completely unmasked while riding.
I would prefer to wait until COVID is completely over to take some of these risk, but I personally believe COVID outbreaks will continue within the US for many more years. We will continue to mask in public until everyone in the US that wants a shot has gotten one. To do otherwise would be rude IMO.
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