Wow, it’s getting really scary in Texas - and everywhere else!

[24601NoMore]

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Originally Posted by MissMolly I don't recall ever reading or hearing any experts claiming it would die down in the summer. What I heard is that they hoped it would behave like the flu and die down, but that didn't they know since it is a brand new virus. Now we all know.

I hang out on a conservative forum where most of the posters absolutely INSISTED that it would all but "go away" in the Summer months because "sunlight kills the virus".

They still to this day insist that's true, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary (obviously Texas, California, Arizona, ...)

[W2R]

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Originally Posted by Beststash There has become a rebellious attitude here (Texas) by many concerning mask wearing. [...]

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Originally Posted by MichaelB The lower fatality rate and absence of information regarding other consequences may be one of the factors leading people to downplay the general risk.

To me, it's not what people think about risk; it's what they DO, that is the issue IMO. They can think whatever they want and that is fine with me.

A lot of people feel that the fears of a second wave are over-hyped. I kind of wonder about that too, but I am not betting my life on it! No way. Right now, engaging in risky behavior and not wearing a mask is doing exactly that so I modify my behavior accordingly.

Not only that, but doing such risky stuff around other people is just incredibly rude. My mother always taught me that the reason we use good manners is to make others feel comfortable around us. Well, how comfortable do others feel if you aren't wearing a mask and they think you are spreading the virus to them? Not very, and that is why it is so rude.

To me, the question is NOT whether there is a real risk, but why people would be so incredibly inconsiderate of others who are worried about the virus. Not wearing a mask around such people at this stage of the pandemic is right up there with pooping on the sidewalk in front of them, IMO. These are not behaviors I would condone in a civilized society.

There.... I had my say. Just had to get that out.

[24601NoMore]

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Originally Posted by frayne Ditto that ! People are done with covid, the problem is, covid isn't done with people.

Very true and very frustrating. DW and I have been treating this very seriously since day one including wearing our masks everywhere we go (inside AND out - amazing how few people wear their masks outdoors) and pretty much staying home probably 95+% of the time.

Our parks, trails and other recreational areas here in SE MI are SLAMMED. We've tried going to get some fresh air a few times and can't believe the number of people..it's easily 3X "normal". NO-ONE (other than us) wearing masks..congregating close together..acting like the virus is long gone (it's not). I even have family members asking if we're going to join them over the fourth of July for the annual family trip to Port Austin, where the annual parade and fireworks with thousands of people is still planned to happen. Um, not just "no", but HELL, NO!! WTF is wrong with these people?

Just yesterday, there was a HUGE boat party (tens of thousands of people that go out to a local island and party hard) called the "Jobbie Nooner". It's a tradition here and a huge mosh pit of people all within inches of each other. Looked at the pics in the local news..yeah, ZERO masks.

We are so screwed.

[Sunset]

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Originally Posted by 24601NoMore I hang out on a conservative forum where most of the posters absolutely INSISTED that it would all but "go away" in the Summer months because "sunlight kills the virus". They still to this day insist that's true, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary (obviously Texas, California, Arizona, ...)

Maybe you could suggest to them, every time they are outside, to close their eyes, face the sun and open their mouth for 10 minutes to let the sunshine clean them.

It would be really funny to see the odd person standing on a sidewalk, mouth agape at the sun

[braumeister]

Makes me think of the old tale that during a rainstorm, turkeys will stare up at the sky with their beaks hanging open, transfixed, until they drown.

[2soon2tell]

What is really scary is that people like Karen vote and also procreate.

I've always believed that disasters can bring out the very best qualities in people or the very worst. We are witnessing that now.

[Dtail]

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Originally Posted by Sunset Maybe you could suggest to them, every time they are outside, to close their eyes, face the sun and open their mouth for 10 minutes to let the sunshine clean them. It would be really funny to see the odd person standing on a sidewalk, mouth agape at the sun

If it was suggested from high up, they would do that.
So that's why I can't seem to find Lysol.........

[Mark1]

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Originally Posted by 24601NoMore I hang out on a conservative forum where most of the posters absolutely INSISTED that it would all but "go away" in the Summer months because "sunlight kills the virus". They still to this day insist that's true, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary (obviously Texas, California, Arizona, ...)

Enclosed is a link to a short 4 min video on UV light killing COVID19, if interested.
https://physicsworld.com/a/reality-c...-disinfection/
It sounds like the Ozone layer prevents much of the UVC light from reaching us.

[Brat]

I live in the only residential co-op in Oregon, about 70% of our residents are over 65. We have put in place very strict rules regarding who can come into our building, we require all to wear masks when out of their apartment and we enforce physical distancing. Out of approx 90 building residents none, to our knowledge, have contracted the virus. A couple of residents visit family members so this record may not last.

All the grocery stores require masks, almost all folks walking on the street where physical distancing isn't reliable wear a mask.

Multnomah County just opened at phase 1.

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[audreyh1]

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Originally Posted by 24601NoMore I hang out on a .. forum where most of the posters absolutely INSISTED that it would all but "go away" in the Summer months because "sunlight kills the virus". They still to this day insist that's true, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary (obviously Texas, California, Arizona, ...)

What this pandemic has taught me is that many people will insist that X is the absolute truth when the opposite of X is unfolding right before their eyes. But instead of realizing or admitting that they are wrong, they insist that X is true even harder.

[audreyh1]

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Originally Posted by W2R A lot of people feel that the fears of a second wave are over-hyped. I kind of wonder about that too, but I am not betting my life on it! No way. Right now, engaging in risky behavior and not wearing a mask is doing exactly that so I modify my behavior accordingly.

And why even argue about a second wave when we haven’t even gotten ourselves out of a first wave yet?

[MichaelB]

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Partisan politics is creeping into the discussion. I know for certain that COVID is has no political preference and will infect equally people of all views, even those that don’t believe in COVID. So, let’s please stay focused on the virus and forget the political distractions.
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[gattara]

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Originally Posted by audreyh1 What this pandemic has taught me is that many people will insist that X is the absolute truth when the opposite of X is unfolding right before their eyes. But instead of realizing or admitting that they are wrong, they insist that X is true even harder.

Yes, this. Would love to understand the psychology of it because I don’t get it.

Well ... once, my mother-in-law sent DH an email to which he replied with, “look at this Snopes. What you said is not true.” Her response: “Well, if it’s not true, it should be!” I guess this gives me an idea of what drives her and others ... the need to be right, at least in her own mind.

[Montecfo]

I was reading some analysis of the new cases in Florida and they skew young. I think the same is true in Texas. Hospitalization and death rates are far lower for those under 50.

So this surge may in fact be different than how the initial wave of cases in WA, NY, NJ rolled out.

[Dtail]

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Originally Posted by Montecfo I was reading some analysis of the new cases in Florida and they skew young. I think the same is true in Texas. Hospitalization and death rates are far lower for those under 50. So this surge may in fact be different than how the initial wave of cases in WA, NY, NJ rolled out.

The cases in FLA are now 3x-4x more than they were. I haven't calculated it yet, but are the hospitalization rates of the younger crowd so much lower to make up for the much larger volume.
Supposedly in Houston, the hospitals are filling up close to capacity.

[audreyh1]

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Originally Posted by Montecfo I was reading some analysis of the new cases in Florida and they skew young. I think the same is true in Texas. Hospitalization and death rates are far lower for those under 50. So this surge may in fact be different than how the initial wave of cases in WA, NY, NJ rolled out.

Yes, this is quite different. Seems to be fueled by young people socializing with no protections. The fact that hospitalizations of younger people are going up may indicate that infections are far more widespread among that age cohort. But young people can easily infect other age groups too.

[Montecfo]

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Originally Posted by Dtail The cases in FLA are now 3x-4x more than they were. I haven't calculated it yet, but are the hospitalization rates of the younger crowd so much lower to make up for the much larger volume. Supposedly in Houston, the hospitals are filling up close to capacity.

Lots of data here:

https://twitter.com/Avik/status/1276...776559104?s=09

[Freedom56]

No medical expert on the planet can tell you the long term impact of a coronavirus in a human body and how it will impact the body of those who recovered. Many of the public health officials are not doctors but sociologists. I speak to my brother regularly who is a radiologist and nuclear medicine specialist. At his hospital and many others that send him cases, they are performing CT scans of patients that are admitted and those who are sent home due to mild symptoms. He said that CT scans provide faster results than PCR tests and have often proven to be more accurate. They are seeing scarring in lungs of many young patients who are mildly symptomatic or asymptomatic. Even those who recover from intubation and test negative have scaring in their lungs, heart, kidneys, and in rare cases the brain. His message to me was that we won't know the full impact of this virus for many years to come and the best course of action is don't put yourself at risk of contracting the virus by placing yourself in closed crowded spaces. He said this notion of herd immunity may prove to be ineffective at best and dangerous at worst.

[mpeirce]

So many sanctimonious folks in this forum lately, sigh.

Take a deep breath and back away from your keyboard...

[Montecfo]

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Originally Posted by audreyh1 Yes, this is quite different. Seems to be fueled by young people socializing with no protections. The fact that hospitalizations of younger people are going up may indicate that infections are far more widespread among that age cohort. But young people can easily infect other age groups too.

Agreed. It is a good fact, but it only takes you so far. It seems the older folks have to remain extremely vigilant about their health.