Wow, it’s getting really scary in Texas - and everywhere else!

[ivinsfan]

I keep hearing this "it's young people in bars shame on them" story but I'm not buying it as the main cause.

Many people of all ages have gone back to work. They are in offices, retail shops, hair dressers. People are flying - planes are full. People are standing in line to go into Homegood and TJMaxx, queuing up to get samples at costco again.

It's not like everyone is in a bunker doing instacart, except for a bunch of 25 year olds out drinking as the only/main spreaders. But they make a fun scapegoat I guess...

YES, yes, yes. Two stories recently. 2 pharm-D.. in California flew their 2 young sons out of state for a month long stay with Grandparents, one of whom is a bone marrow transplant cancer survivor. Reason given " GP's really wanted to see the boys" Real reason IMO the parents enjoy having a month each summer without kids duties. I know these people personally..

PHd research fellow on East coast coming to home state to see family. Sends parents long list of things they can't do in the 14 days before she flies in,,I.E. do not leave your house.

Will fly through 2 airports on 2 different planes to actually get to parents house.

 

[REWahoo]

I keep hearing this "it's young people in bars shame on them" story but I'm not buying it as the main cause.

You may be correct but the breakdown of cases by age group here shows the largest percentage is in the 20-30 age group. Don't know where they got it, in bars or elsewhere, but they definitely are leading in the rate of infection.

In some TX counties those in their 20's are accounting for 50% of the new cases.

 

[Freedom56]

Florida surged passed Texas this morning.

https://www.fox13news.com/news/flor...g-more-than-10000-in-sundays-report-3731-dead

 

[pacergal]

The only question is which city/state will go through what New York/New Jersey went through. This pandemic is here to stay unless vast majority of us abide by common sense - social distancing, masks, washing hands, changing business practices (and enforcing them).

++100

 

[JoeWras]

I keep hearing this "it's young people in bars shame on them" story but I'm not buying it as the main cause.

harlee's mom is getting this from the news. The recent numbers in NC have trended heavily to the below 45 age group. Maybe to your point, Aerides, it isn't all intentional bad behavior. This same group have jobs which require close contact. One group it is rising in, for example, is construction workers. This is a good example of how the news of today just like sound bites. It is easier (and creates more clicks) to show sexy young sweaty people at bars, than it is to do the same for dirty, sweaty, very hard working laborers. To be fair, some NC news outlets have talked about the problem in the working community, but those articles tend to be buried.

I don't have a subscription to the N&O, but as an example, this snippet from a search is typical of the articles about "young people."

 

[USGrant1962]

“Young people in bars caused COVID to go up” reminds me a lot of financial talking heads saying “random news of the day caused the stock market to go up”.

 

[Aerides]

harlee's mom is getting this from the news. The recent numbers in NC have trended heavily to the below 45 age group. Maybe to your point, Aerides, it isn't all intentional bad behavior. This same group have jobs which require close contact. One group it is rising in, for example, is construction workers. This is a good example of how the news of today just like sound bites. It is easier (and creates more clicks) to show sexy young sweaty people at bars, than it is to do the same for dirty, sweaty, very hard working laborers. To be fair, some NC news outlets have talked about the problem in the working community, but those articles tend to be buried.

I don't have a subscription to the N&O, but as an example, this snippet from a search is typical of the articles about "young people."

Exactly. It's very easy to paint a picture that the youngs are misbehaving...and shame shame. But they are the majority of restaurant workers, of retail shop people, and throughout the service sector.

So yes, I'm aware that the demographics are clear and new positive results are far younger than they were 2 months ago. And I'm quite sure that some people got it in bars. But I'm annoyed with the framing that it's because they are in bars. They were called back to work so we could all go out to dinner and get our haircuts. It's complicated.

 

[audreyh1]

Florida surged passed Texas this morning.

https://www.fox13news.com/news/flor...g-more-than-10000-in-sundays-report-3731-dead

Texas numbers come out later in the day. I also expect them to pass 200,000 today. But it’s impressive that Florida did it already! Gosh, it wasn’t that long ago it was under 100,000.

 

[brewer12345]

Texas numbers come out later in the day. I also expect them to pass 200,000 today. But it’s impressive that Florida did it already! Gosh, it wasn’t that long ago it was under 100,000.

This is like watching duelling banjos.

 

[Montecfo]

Back on April they planned field hospitals in Dallas, Austin, Houston, perhaps elsewhere. These were never needed.

Presumably those same.plans are ready to go if needed.

 

[Clone]

Regarding the demographics and activities- my opinion-

If the younger folks want to socialize and spread among themselves, so long as they do not intrude on my space, then it does not bother me. Where it pinches is when folks in that group are in a position where they interact with folks in the vulnerable population. So, if you have a caregiver at the group home out socializing, they create a risk for the folks that have no way to avoid them. Myself, where I am today, I can avoid them.

Folks that are vulnerable and are still punching the clock are in a tough position. The young invincible could drag the plague into the workplace. I am so glad that we are able to decide where we are going and when. We are able to manage most of the risks in that manner.

 

[REWahoo]

Back on April they planned field hospitals in Dallas, Austin, Houston, perhaps elsewhere. These were never needed.

Presumably those same.plans are ready to go if needed.

Those plans are in place in San Antonio but are apparently last resort, with the preference being adding beds wherever space can be found in current hospitals. That's bcause other hospital services aren't readily available in a makeshift, offsite location according to this article from yesterday:

But if the worst-case scenario unfolds, and hospitalizations continue to double almost every week, officials will be forced to exercise last-resort options, such as sending patients to specialty hospitals and the 250-bed field hospital at the Freeman Coliseum. Eply said San Antonio wasn’t near that point yet.

“The reality is, if you’re in the hospital in the cafeteria in a bed, you still have radiology. You still have respiratory therapy. You still have imaging, lab capability,” Epley said. “You have lots of things that are in the hospital that become much more difficult once you leave the property.”

Beds are relatively easy to come by but are of little benefit without skilled medical people to care for the sick. Local officials are trying to stay ahead of the spike by bringing in help:

To keep pace with the surge, San Antonio leaders have tapped the state health department and the military to send more than 800 nurses to help staff hospitals. Nearly 180 arrived last week. Seventy more are expected Monday.

 

[travelover]

Since this seems to be the main Covid19 thread left, I'll post here. I found this article rather sobering with respect to the damage the virus does to the body beyond the lungs. Should not be pay walled.

When pathologist Amy Rapkiewicz began the grim process of opening up the coronavirus dead to learn how their bodies went awry, she found damage to the lungs, kidneys and liver consistent with what doctors had reported for months.

But something was off.

Rapkiewicz, who directs autopsies at NYU Langone Health, noticed that some organs had far too many of a special cell rarely found in those places. She had never seen that before, yet it seemed vaguely familiar. She raced to her history books and — in a eureka moment — found a reference to a 1960s report on a patient with dengue fever.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/01/coronavirus-autopsies-findings/

 

[Olbidness]

More cowbell......

I’ll never be able to see Will Ferrell and not think of that song.

 

[Dtail]

This is like watching duelling banjos.

Competing for the biggest loser title.
Maybe beachfront property will be less expensive.

 

[gerntz]

I keep hearing this "it's young people in bars shame on them" story but I'm not buying it as the main cause.

Many people of all ages have gone back to work. They are in offices, retail shops, hair dressers. People are flying - planes are full. People are standing in line to go into Homegood and TJMaxx, queuing up to get samples at costco again.

It's not like everyone is in a bunker doing instacart, except for a bunch of 25 year olds out drinking as the only/main spreaders. But they make a fun scapegoat I guess...

I'm buying bars crowded with young folks have been the #1 major spreader recently. The only one, no, but the biggest. People close, close together, not moving around much, talking closely at each other, no protection.

How stating what you think is true based on observations is scapegoating escapes me.

Costco not doing samples around me & people stay distanced in store lines. Airlines are pre-checking for fever. Not perfect, but screens some. Can't go in my haircutters salon until she invites me at door. Noen of these situations create near close contact for prolonged times except planes & I haven't heard/seen where they are big spreaders with the protections they're taking. Data would be good.

 

[Car-Guy]

I'm surprised Louisiana isn't in contention for the new daily virus count title. I've gone to a few of the casinos in Shreveport since they reopened. (Could be a bunch of Texans going over there and bringing it back home to be counted in Texas ) All of the dealers are wearing face masks but very few players are. No body is wearing gloves. The first time I went was on a Saturday afternoon and it was totally packed so I didn't stay very long. The next time was early on a weekday morning and there were very few players (about the same as pre CV)... They had limits on how many players could be at any table, 3 to 5 depending on the casino and the type of game. The first week about 50% of the slot machines were turned off but a lot more seem to be active now. Hand sanitizer stations are everywhere and temperature checks are done at the doors along with a few plastic partitions in some areas but that's about it. Some casinos seem to be dealing with it better than others.

Drinks are being served as usual and most (but not all) of the restaurants have re-opened.

 

[harllee]

I keep hearing this "it's young people in bars shame on them" story but I'm not buying it as the main cause.

Many people of all ages have gone back to work. They are in offices, retail shops, hair dressers. People are flying - planes are full. People are standing in line to go into Homegood and TJMaxx, queuing up to get samples at costco again.

It's not like everyone is in a bunker doing instacart, except for a bunch of 25 year olds out drinking as the only/main spreaders. But they make a fun scapegoat I guess...

Aerides, the numbers here in NC show that a majority of the new virus cases are among people under 40. I guess some of it is because those under 40 have gone back to work but all those workers--offices, retail, hairdressers, etc are required to wear masks. Everyone in NC is required to wear a mask now. Bars are not even suppose to be open in NC but they are opening illegally and the pictures all over the news are of young people lined up to get in these illegal bars and none are wearing masks. One such young person was interviewed and he said "If I die I die." But what about all the other people he infects in the mean time? The bars are being shut down and fined and losing their liquor license but I think the people going into these illegal bars and refusing to wear masks should be fined too. Bars are one of the biggest super spreaders--there was the case of the S. Korean man who went to 5 bars and through tracing they found he infected over 100 people.

 

[RAE]

Texas numbers come out later in the day. I also expect them to pass 200,000 today. But it’s impressive that Florida did it already! Gosh, it wasn’t that long ago it was under 100,000.

The daily number of deaths in most areas seems to be staying relatively low, though, despite predictions that it would rise by now. Young people can generally handle the virus better than the elderly, but of course with so many young people getting infected, they are likely spreading it to other more vulnerable people. I'm wondering why the death rate is not going up yet.........any thoughts? Perhaps the virus has lost some of its potency over time?

 

[audreyh1]

The daily number of deaths in most areas seems to be staying relatively low, though, despite predictions that it would rise by now. Young people can generally handle the virus better than the elderly, but of course with so many young people getting infected, they are likely spreading it to other more vulnerable people. I'm wondering why the death rate is not going up yet.........any thoughts? Perhaps the virus has lost some of its potency over time?

Yes, a blessing so far is that death rates haven’t increased significantly. Some would say it takes more time. However, hospitals in many areas are starting to be overwhelmed, and that alone can cause more overall deaths.

 

[brewer12345]

The daily number of deaths in most areas seems to be staying relatively low, though, despite predictions that it would rise by now. Young people can generally handle the virus better than the elderly, but of course with so many young people getting infected, they are likely spreading it to other more vulnerable people. I'm wondering why the death rate is not going up yet.........any thoughts? Perhaps the virus has lost some of its potency over time?

Probably a combination of younger skew in patient population, physicians learning how to treat the sick, and hospitals not yet being overwhelmed. If the hospitals get plugged up I imagine we will see the death rate soar.

 

[REWahoo]

Probably a combination of younger skew in patient population, physicians learning how to treat the sick, and hospitals not yet being overwhelmed. If the hospitals get plugged up I imagine we will see the death rate soar.

Sadly, I think this will prove to be an accurate assessment.

Another basic reason we haven't yet seen a higher mortality rate is the time factor. Many critically ill patients linger on ventilators for weeks before expiring. Locally, the number of patients on vents has more than tripled in the last two weeks. A significant number of them won't make it.

 

[robnplunder]

I'm wondering why the death rate is not going up yet.........any thoughts? Perhaps the virus has lost some of its potency over time?

I think we learned to protect the vulnerable ones more effectively. Senior centers, nursing homes, etc. are enforcing strict rules to protect their patients (and their business). My mom's assisted living place in Southern California is still not allowing me to see her in person, e.g..

Did the virus lose its potency? I hope it did but highly doubt it.

 

[Silver]

Taken from the article linked below:

"As of June 25, 469 U.S. health care workers had died of COVID-19, which is almost certainly an undercount, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Other tallies have put the toll at more like 600 so far. No one's measured what the pandemic is costing health care works physically, emotionally and economically."

https://health.usnews.com/hospital-...s-the-toll-of-covid-19-on-health-care-workers

My guess is that individuals who chose to spend their leisure time gathering in places that could create opportunities for them to become ill wouldn't think twice of then asking their local health care system to help them, should they become ill.

I believe that most health care providers are professional enough to not show the resentment that creates, but it's a difficult emotion to contain for long periods of time.

 

[audreyh1]

Florida surged passed Texas this morning.

https://www.fox13news.com/news/flor...g-more-than-10000-in-sundays-report-3731-dead

Texas now ahead, but just by a few hundred cases. Both are above 200,000 cases.