Down Market. The tax hit is lower for the same number of shares. Assuming you keep the same security, and that security is actually down. In contrast, BND is up lately, so not a good time to do a Roth conversion on it.
Is it better to do roth conversions from a tIRA to a Roth IRA when markets are at highs, or after a recent sell-off and relative lows?
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Thanks everyone! I sorta knew this was the answer but I wanted to bring viability that when markets tank, sitting and doing NOTHING isn't always the best idea.You can move the actual stocks 'IN KIND', no need to sell at all, and avoids a price discrepancy risk.
To answer the question:
Imagine the stock market drops 99.9% , you could move what was $1,000,000 in the IRA of stock to the Roth and pay tax on $1,000 conversion, at 22% that would be $220 tax.
OR
Wait 6 months and the market jumps back up to the $1,000,000 in the IRA, then move it $100,000 per year for 10 years, and each time pay tax of $22,000 assuming a 22% tax rate.
So yeah, the good side of the market decline is the opportunity to move a bunch of stock into the ROTH via conversion.
You can move the actual stocks 'IN KIND', no need to sell at all, and avoids a price discrepancy risk.
I'm planning on doing at least half my intended Roth conversion for the year pretty soon while the market is still down. I usually wait until the last minute to make sure of my numbers, but this is too good an opportunity to miss. Just got to figure out when the approximate bottom will occur. Of course, it I miss it I haven't really lost anything. Just a chance for a bit better deal.
Can you do that with funds and ETFs too? If so, that would be the way to go, for me.
You're only giving one side of the equation. Much of that question depends on what you forecast your tax bracket to be when RMDs are required. I would not go to the 32% bracket if you'll be paying 12% later.So, how much to convert in this crazy down market?
Convert an amount to stay in the 24% marginal bracket?
Or, convert a larger amount and pay the higher 32% marginal rate?
With SS, pension, and RMDs, we don’t foresee ever being in the 12% bracket.I would not go to the 32% bracket if you'll be paying 12% later.
I wish we could still do this but we are in the RMD stage and unless I am wrong we can't do this anymore. Bummer!
Cheers!
I'm not an expert, but I see no reason you can't do Roth conversions while in the RMD phase. It is in effect a distribution above the RMD but goes into your Roth rather than your after tax account.
I agree. What you cannot do is use the RMD money to convert. What you can do is use the RMD money to pay the taxes on the conversion though.