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Finance Dave 03-08-2021 03:07 PM

Nice Explorer deal Street!

A few days ago, I ordered some fancy (warm) socks that cost $15 a pair. Never done that before, but my feet FREEZE in cold weather so I thought I'd try one pair. They should arrive today.

arbeadub 03-08-2021 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunset (Post 2572399)
We have a 55" LG plasma, and every now and then the controller stops working, but the problem is dust in the back part of the tv. I blow hard into the back of the tv and the controller works again for about 6 months.

Totally weird, I found the answer a couple of years ago on the internet, while looking for a new controller. :laugh:

Finally a problem that can be solved by being a blow hard.

RobLJ 03-09-2021 05:24 PM

Blowing Dough
 
We picked up a RAV4 Prime (plug-in hybrid) in Elk Grove, CA Friday on the way to visiting our son the winemaker and sold him the Silverado for about 11k off Bluebook.

It can scoot (305 hp; 0-60 at 5.6 seconds) and got 40.5 mpg on the way back from Modesto to Reno. It has AWD, which is key since we'll use it as the skiing and long-range camping vehicle. MrsRobj thought the Silverado was too big, didn't want a trailor, and we can use solar energy for short distances of less than 42 miles.

Koogie 03-09-2021 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RobLJ (Post 2574282)
We picked up a RAV4 Prime (plug-in hybrid) in Elk Grove, CA Friday on the way to visiting our son the winemaker and sold him the Silverado for about 11k off Bluebook.

It can scoot (305 hp; 0-60 at 5.6 seconds) and got 40.5 mpg on the way back from Modesto to Reno. It has AWD, which is key since we'll use it as the skiing and long-range camping vehicle. MrsRobj thought the Silverado was too big, didn't want a trailor, and we can use solar energy for short distances of less than 42 miles.

Nice. I have a Rav4 now and am about 3 years away from needing a new vehicle and liked the looks of the Prime when it was announced.

What do you mean about the solar ? You've hooked it to solar somehow ?

RobLJ 03-09-2021 06:56 PM

We installed solar panels in Oct 2019 and traded the Forester for a Chevy Bolt, which gets charged off of our SolarEdge inverter (the panels generate enough during the day to charge it but otherwise it's about 9c/kwh if we charge at night. We have reverse metering so it really doesn't matter much when we charge the vehicles).

So the RAV4 also can charge from our solar inverter for about a 42 mile battery range around town, but also use the gas engine for longer range trips (long distance camping and babysitting the grandkids in CA)



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Originally Posted by Koogie (Post 2574341)
Nice. I have a Rav4 now and am about 3 years away from needing a new vehicle and liked the looks of the Prime when it was announced.

What do you mean about the solar ? You've hooked it to solar somehow ?


street 03-09-2021 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RobLJ (Post 2574282)
We picked up a RAV4 Prime (plug-in hybrid) in Elk Grove, CA Friday on the way to visiting our son the winemaker and sold him the Silverado for about 11k off Bluebook.

It can scoot (305 hp; 0-60 at 5.6 seconds) and got 40.5 mpg on the way back from Modesto to Reno. It has AWD, which is key since we'll use it as the skiing and long-range camping vehicle. MrsRobj thought the Silverado was too big, didn't want a trailor, and we can use solar energy for short distances of less than 42 miles.

An outstanding set of wheels you just purchased. If I would have had a dealer closer then 4 hours away that would of been my new ride also.

RobLJ 03-09-2021 07:18 PM

I also liked the Escape plug-in like the Escape you got (I think it was you), but AWD isn't available in the plug-in Escape and we go over Donner Pass so often to babysit, the second vehicle pretty much had to have AWD.


We just visited our son the winemaker, and ironically his next door neighbor had a new Escape (I think it was the same color as yours); nice car. Maybe Ford will add AWD in future versions!
Looked and I think it was an Explorer--still looks nice!


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Originally Posted by street (Post 2574353)
An outstanding set of wheels you just purchased. If I would have had a dealer closer then 4 hours away that would of been my new ride also.


RunningBum 03-09-2021 09:24 PM

Ordered a lightweight 17.3" LG Gram laptop today. As much as I'm on my laptop it's silly to compromise with a older, smaller, slower laptop.

braumeister 03-10-2021 05:12 AM

Got a new recliner chair that cost more than my first car. Hard for me to believe, but it's the most comfortable thing I've ever sat in so it's justified, as well as qualifying for the BTD thread!

finnski1 03-10-2021 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RunningBum (Post 2574394)
Ordered a lightweight 17.3" LG Gram laptop today. As much as I'm on my laptop it's silly to compromise with a older, smaller, slower laptop.


I agree. I am on a new HP Envy 15.6" and won't go any smaller. I wanted a full numeric keyboard and I really like the backlit feature on the keyboard as well.
The bigger screen is great for spreadsheets, graphs etc. and I ordered it with 16gb of RAM and a SSD. All good.

donheff 03-10-2021 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RobLJ (Post 2574282)
We picked up a RAV4 Prime (plug-in hybrid) in Elk Grove, CA Friday on the way to visiting our son the winemaker and sold him the Silverado for about 11k off Bluebook.

It can scoot (305 hp; 0-60 at 5.6 seconds) and got 40.5 mpg on the way back from Modesto to Reno. It has AWD, which is key since we'll use it as the skiing and long-range camping vehicle. MrsRobj thought the Silverado was too big, didn't want a trailor, and we can use solar energy for short distances of less than 42 miles.

Damn things are almost impossible to find. I finished a lease on a Lexus NX Hybrid this month and wanted a RAV4 Prime but couldn't find one. Lexus will adopt the Prime technology in the NX next year. I only had 15K on the NX and the residual was about what I could sell it for so I just bought it. No more leases for me, too little flexibility on when to get rid of it. By next year the Prime will probably be readily available. It will probably be two years before the NX PIH is readily available. By then I will probably have multiple attractive choices to blow my dough on.

Finance Dave 03-10-2021 07:40 AM

Signed up for a woodworking class at MASW (Marc Adams School of Woodworking). I go to a class about once every 2 years. They teach all sorts of things, not just woodworking...including stained glass, working with leather, making new furniture look antique, classes on paint/finishing including "wash" painting, making copper patina, and much more. Their facility is big enough that they offer 4 classes at a time, each on a different subject. They bring in instructors from all over the world, and get the best in the business...many of them are considered authorities and write books, are commissioned by Congress, used for expert testimony, and so on. Most classes are a week long, but they do offer some weekend classes. It's a great place to learn.

I stick with the woodworking stuff. This year (May) I'm taking one on "Detailing your projects" using things like banding and inlays. It's a week-long class. Typical week-long classes cost about $950, and then there are always a few tools you have to buy...so I estimate about $1,400 that I "blew" on that class.







https://www.marcadams.com/

Palmtree 03-10-2021 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Finance Dave (Post 2574541)
Signed up for a woodworking class at MASW (Marc Adams School of Woodworking).


https://www.marcadams.com/


Good for you! I've got workshop full of tools but I've never attended a multi-day woodworking class but I've always wanted to. I live in the southeast and most of the schools are all in the north. Maybe post covid I can find something in my area.

Mango1956 03-10-2021 05:45 PM

Blow That Dough! -2021
 
Just got home from camping in Anza Borrego desert (eastern San Diego county) They had a plein air paint-out art event last week and we timed our trip to coincide with the event. We walked away with two oil paintings. The most expensive camping trip yet!

skipro33 03-10-2021 06:55 PM

Looking to build a 1,000 square foot deck out back of our house. First priced last March at $25,000. Lumber prices have shot up over 140% since then and we are now quoted over $75,000 for the same deck. I looked into composite decking and steel framing. Cost is $80,000. For $5K more than conventional wood, this would be indestructible and maintenance free. The problem is that it's still $80 a square foot for a deck that 1/3rd that just a year ago. One contractor suggested I look at it this way; my house is now worth over $375 a square foot, so $80 a square ft for a deck is in line. This includes the deck stairs and railing. Turn key solution.
I'm just struggling with all the things I could buy with $80K other than a deck though. I made the mistake in 2006 on not going forward with buying a helicopter, a Bell Jet Ranger 206, for $125,000. (It's a long story about starting a side business in retirement) The same airship now sells for between $500,000 and $700,000. Will the price of deck materials and construction go up where I'll be glad I bought in at $80K, or will I look the fool to spend that kind of dough on a deck I really don't NEED but really want?

doneat54 03-10-2021 07:08 PM

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Finally, my chance to post in the BTD thread.

Bought this in central PA today and drove it 390 miles home. 2018 with 17k miles. This thing is LOADED and a dream to drive. My first Jeep.

By far the most expensive vehicle that I have ever bought (but not the most valuable, interestingly enough).

Ronstar 03-10-2021 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Finance Dave (Post 2574541)
Signed up for a woodworking class at MASW (Marc Adams School of Woodworking). I go to a class about once every 2 years. They teach all sorts of things, not just woodworking...including stained glass, working with leather, making new furniture look antique, classes on paint/finishing including "wash" painting, making copper patina, and much more. Their facility is big enough that they offer 4 classes at a time, each on a different subject. They bring in instructors from all over the world, and get the best in the business...many of them are considered authorities and write books, are commissioned by Congress, used for expert testimony, and so on. Most classes are a week long, but they do offer some weekend classes. It's a great place to learn.

I stick with the woodworking stuff. This year (May) I'm taking one on "Detailing your projects" using things like banding and inlays. It's a week-long class. Typical week-long classes cost about $950, and then there are always a few tools you have to buy...so I estimate about $1,400 that I "blew" on that class.







https://www.marcadams.com/



Excellent, I cannot think of a better way to blow some dough!

NW-Bound 03-10-2021 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by skipro33 (Post 2574914)
... I made the mistake in 2006 on not going forward with buying a helicopter, a Bell Jet Ranger 206, for $125,000. (It's a long story about starting a side business in retirement) The same airship now sells for between $500,000 and $700,000...

If you bought the S&P with that money, you would have $513K now. And it does not require costly maintenance like that chopper.

Even with sleepy Wellesley MF, you would have $361K.

JohnnyBGoode 03-10-2021 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RobLJ (Post 2574282)
We picked up a RAV4 Prime (plug-in hybrid) in Elk Grove, CA Friday on the way to visiting our son the winemaker and sold him the Silverado for about 11k off Bluebook.

It can scoot (305 hp; 0-60 at 5.6 seconds) and got 40.5 mpg on the way back from Modesto to Reno. It has AWD, which is key since we'll use it as the skiing and long-range camping vehicle. MrsRobj thought the Silverado was too big, didn't want a trailor, and we can use solar energy for short distances of less than 42 miles.

I have been eyeing those for a while. I have a 2017 RAV4 Limited Hybrid that is an absolutely excellent car, so I can't quite justify it. I would like the plug-in feature (I drive less than 10 miles a day, so I'm thinking I will be on electric 99% of the time) and Apple CarPlay would be sweet. But they are pretty $$$ - I would want the top model because that's the version my 2017 is. Plus you need to put $500 at the local Toyota dealer to even get in line for one. I think it's inevitable, but I can probably hold out for a while.

Definitely not a need, but a want...

Finance Dave 03-11-2021 12:00 AM

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skippro, wow that's extreme...I'd hold off if you can. But you're right, never know if it may go even higher.

I'll tell you this story...

I was a home inspector for 7 years. Of course on every house, I'd take off the electrical panel cover and inspect the wiring/breakers. We were trained in school that the main line into the house (called the service cable) is typically copper, but aluminum is permitted so long as it is larger diameter...because it's not as good of a conductor as copper.

I started noticing that all houses prior to about 2006 had copper service wires, but then most houses built from about 2006 to about 2008 had aluminum service wire (of the proper diameter), and then houses built from 2009-2010 had copper again. At first this confused me...but then I looked at the copper chart...

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No one knows what will happen with lumber prices...so it's a tough call...but I'd be looking for other options or waiting. What about a concrete patio instead? Can you find some "reclaimed" lumber somewhere else and cut it yourself? What about using engineered I-joists at least for the structure (not sure if they are permitted for outdoor use...but worth checking)?

skipro33 03-11-2021 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NW-Bound (Post 2574932)
If you bought the S&P with that money, you would have $513K now. And it does not require costly maintenance like that chopper.

Even with sleepy Wellesley MF, you would have $361K.

Very roughly speaking, I would have also been billing at $850 an hour. I probably would have around 500 hours a year for around $400,000.

skipro33 03-11-2021 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Finance Dave (Post 2575011)
skippro, wow that's extreme...I'd hold off if you can. But you're right, never know if it may go even higher.

No one knows what will happen with lumber prices...so it's a tough call...but I'd be looking for other options or waiting. What about a concrete patio instead?

The lay of the land makes concrete not practical. The slope is about 2:1 every 2 feet out the ground drops 1 foot. The deck is 20' wide, so while it starts at essentially ground level, the far end is 10' off the ground.

These steps lead down to where the new deck would go in. The yellow rope defines, very roughly, the deck in relation to the trees. I placed the rope to give an idea of the elevation change from the ground. Also roughly speaking the weed killed area would be the deck area.

My goal was to use steel and composite decking because this is California and I'm in a stage 3 fire zone, highest rated risk. I'd rather it be something not wood.

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Music Lover 03-11-2021 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by skipro33 (Post 2574914)
Looking to build a 1,000 square foot deck out back of our house. First priced last March at $25,000. Lumber prices have shot up over 140% since then and we are now quoted over $75,000 for the same deck. I looked into composite decking and steel framing. Cost is $80,000. For $5K more than conventional wood, this would be indestructible and maintenance free. The problem is that it's still $80 a square foot for a deck that 1/3rd that just a year ago. One contractor suggested I look at it this way; my house is now worth over $375 a square foot, so $80 a square ft for a deck is in line. This includes the deck stairs and railing. Turn key solution.
I'm just struggling with all the things I could buy with $80K other than a deck though. I made the mistake in 2006 on not going forward with buying a helicopter, a Bell Jet Ranger 206, for $125,000. (It's a long story about starting a side business in retirement) The same airship now sells for between $500,000 and $700,000. Will the price of deck materials and construction go up where I'll be glad I bought in at $80K, or will I look the fool to spend that kind of dough on a deck I really don't NEED but really want?

Wow, that's expensive.

FYI, I just priced out a basic 16' x 30' deck (480 sq ft) for a friend's cabin. At current lumber prices it's about $5000 (PT wood) with an aluminum spindle railing, deck pads, nails, etc. We'll probably add a basic barbeque station and a bench along one side and a couple planters but that will add less than $1000 to the build. We're building it ourselves.

EDIT* I hope I didn't come across as overly critical. I was comparing a basic deck to something that was probably a work of art with a lot of very nice features. I'm sure I could easily rack up a material list for a 1000 sq ft deck of $20k or more without even trying that hard.

skipro33 03-11-2021 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Music Lover (Post 2575204)
Wow, that's expensive.

FYI, I just priced out a basic 16' x 30' deck (480 sq ft) for a friend's cabin. At current lumber prices it's about $5000 (PT wood) with an aluminum spindle railing, deck pads, nails, etc. We'll probably add a basic barbeque station and a bench along one side and a couple planters but that will add less than $1000 to the build. We're building it ourselves.

So $6,000 for 480sqft complete. That works out to $12,500 in materials for a 1,000sqft deck. Labor would double the cost I figure. Simply look where the footings have to go in at from my photos. I need to go 2 or 3' deep to anchor this thing right. So figure around $25,000 for a turn-key basic wood deck. My deck has 3 levels and 3 octagon shapes incorporated. Not sure how much that would add.
I appreciate your reply.

Music Lover 03-11-2021 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by skipro33 (Post 2575216)
So $6,000 for 480sqft complete. That works out to $12,500 in materials for a 1,000sqft deck. Labor would double the cost I figure. Simply look where the footings have to go in at from my photos. I need to go 2 or 3' deep to anchor this thing right. So figure around $25,000 for a turn-key basic wood deck. My deck has 3 levels and 3 octagon shapes incorporated. Not sure how much that would add.
I appreciate your reply.

I edited my comment to be less critical, looks like we cross posted ;)

3 levels, octagon, pilings, etc...angles and levels take more time and more material and that's expensive. And I just looked at the photos, definitely a lot more work is involved.

One thought...is the deck 3 levels because of the slope and aesthetics or because there are different levels of the house requiring access? Almost everyone I know with a multi-level deck spends most of their time on one level and if they had to do it again would go with one level. YMMV of course.

skipro33 03-11-2021 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Music Lover (Post 2575227)
I edited my comment to be less critical, looks like we cross posted ;)

3 levels, octagon, pilings, etc...angles and levels take more time and more material and that's expensive. And I just looked at the photos, definitely a lot more work is involved.

One thought...is the deck 3 levels because of the slope and aesthetics or because there are different levels of the house requiring access? Almost everyone I know with a multi-level deck spends most of their time on one level and if they had to do it again would go with one level. YMMV of course.

3 levels for the looks. The stone steps from the backyard is 5 steps, 35" drop. This goes to the main deck out to the trees with octagon deck extending around each of the two trees. Then 5 steps to the right coming down stone steps to a 14' octagon deck that will have a propane fire ring feature and seating. The other end of the main deck will have 5 steps up to another octagon deck that is flush with the new driveway going in. I can walk from the driveway onto the deck, down stairs, cross main deck and up stone stairs into the back yard. Or down 5 more steps to the stand-alone 14' octagon deck with fire ring.

RunningBum 03-11-2021 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by skipro33 (Post 2574914)
One contractor suggested I look at it this way; my house is now worth over $375 a square foot, so $80 a square ft for a deck is in line.

Make your decision on something other than a contractor's sales pitch.

finnski1 03-11-2021 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RunningBum (Post 2575233)
Make your decision on something other than a contractor's sales pitch.


+1

finnski1 03-11-2021 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by skipro33 (Post 2574914)
Looking to build a 1,000 square foot deck out back of our house. First priced last March at $25,000. Lumber prices have shot up over 140% since then and we are now quoted over $75,000 for the same deck. I looked into composite decking and steel framing. Cost is $80,000. For $5K more than conventional wood, this would be indestructible and maintenance free. The problem is that it's still $80 a square foot for a deck that 1/3rd that just a year ago. One contractor suggested I look at it this way; my house is now worth over $375 a square foot, so $80 a square ft for a deck is in line. This includes the deck stairs and railing. Turn key solution.
I'm just struggling with all the things I could buy with $80K other than a deck though. I made the mistake in 2006 on not going forward with buying a helicopter, a Bell Jet Ranger 206, for $125,000. (It's a long story about starting a side business in retirement) The same airship now sells for between $500,000 and $700,000. Will the price of deck materials and construction go up where I'll be glad I bought in at $80K, or will I look the fool to spend that kind of dough on a deck I really don't NEED but really want?

Let's assume your first quote was 1/2 labor and 1/2 materials. Therefore materials were $12,500. If they shot up 140% that would be $30,000. the labor should be the same. So seems like $42500 would be the new quote. Contractor just upped his labor/profit by an additional $32500. Something isn't right.

Leo1277 03-11-2021 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by skipro33 (Post 2575178)
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My goal was to use steel and composite decking because this is California and I'm in a stage 3 fire zone, highest rated risk. I'd rather it be something not wood. <snip>

Very beautiful setting, and a very nice home from what one can see, congratulations! However, about that fire danger: I read somewhere that while these composites don't outright burn like wood, the do smolder, and they produce some poisonous combustion gases in the process. You may want to look into this, and it may also depend on the exact product. So speaking a bit sarcastically, while it may prevent the house from burning, it may kill off the occupants... reminds me of this old saying about the then-new technology of the neutron bomb: kills grandma, but spares the TV.

Music Lover 03-11-2021 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by finnski1 (Post 2575249)
Let's assume your first quote was 1/2 labor and 1/2 materials. Therefore materials were $12,500. If they shot up 140% that would be $30,000. the labor should be the same. So seems like $42500 would be the new quote. Contractor just upped his labor/profit by an additional $32500. Something isn't right.

Certain contractors are a lot more busy due to Covid and deck builders are in that group. With a long list of people not traveling and wanting to fix up their yards instead wait times of several months or longer are the norm and they can raise their prices and still never run out of work.

That being said, even though I'm not sure how much the labour cost is on a multi-level deck I do agree with your math that the price of lumber doesn't correlate to such a huge increase.

unclemick 03-11-2021 12:05 PM

New Septic tank new location at The Farm. The 30 plus year old Blue Spruce grew up and defeated 'da Roto Router'. Grin.

DW nixed my thoughts on a new age composite toilet.

Heh heh heh - ;) Can I hear a 'yes dear.' :dance: :dance: ;D

Finance Dave 03-12-2021 03:48 AM

skip, thanks for the pics...you obviously have a unique layout on the hill. Hopefully you can find a solution that works for you. You have a great view too!

Only other thing I can think of would be to go to your contractor (or maybe a different one) and say "Listen, I like you guys and want to use you...but the price is just out of this world. What if I were to give you flexibility on scheduling whereby you could do this job during your slow season or when you don't have other jobs, in exchange for a 15% discount on the labor?"

Something like that.

skipro33 03-12-2021 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Finance Dave (Post 2575558)
skip, thanks for the pics...you obviously have a unique layout on the hill. Hopefully you can find a solution that works for you. You have a great view too!

Only other thing I can think of would be to go to your contractor (or maybe a different one) and say "Listen, I like you guys and want to use you...but the price is just out of this world. What if I were to give you flexibility on scheduling whereby you could do this job during your slow season or when you don't have other jobs, in exchange for a 15% discount on the labor?"

Something like that.

He is a good guy contractor, a neighbor in fact who lives just down the road from us. He has a lot riding on his reputation with the other neighbors who will see his work and his prices and consider him for their jobs as well.
From the start he told me he would work for materials and labor, meaning; that all material costs he would simply pass along to me. When he told me the cost of materials, a little over $60,000, he said that was his cost and that I would see all invoices from the vendor or I could pay the vendor directly with a credit card on file if I chose. His labor would be either a fixed cost or hourly, my choice. I would probably come out ahead on hourly, but I do want him to make this worth his while and not take advantage of his neighborliness and pay him his quoted labor. He roughly estimated labor at $20,000. He uses a crew of 3 to 5 guys and he said the majority of the labor will be sinking the footings into that hillside. Very rocky and needs 3' holes with concrete tubes as forms with steel to make this stand the test of time on a hillside like this.

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I read somewhere that while these composites don't outright burn like wood, the do smolder, and they produce some poisonous combustion gases in the process.
The deck is not attached to the house, it's about 50' away across a yard and down some stone steps to one of the few areas near the house that has trees. After the fire, all the trees surrounding the home were lost. Further away, many survived since they hadn't the heat from the structure burning. It is why I chose that area for a deck, someplace to enjoy outside that was shaded, not in the hot sun.
The decking I'm looking at is called Timber Tech AZEK. It is the most fire resistance decking material available at this time and has a Class A flame spread rating index 0-25. Class A = Flame Spread Index of 25 or less; the best possible rating, awarded to fire-retardant building products like concrete.

skipro33 03-12-2021 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by unclemick (Post 2575278)
New Septic tank new location at The Farm. The 30 plus year old Blue Spruce grew up and defeated 'da Roto Router'. Grin.

DW nixed my thoughts on a new age composite toilet.

Heh heh heh - ;) Can I hear a 'yes dear.' :dance: :dance: ;D

Did a new leach field get installed as well? I suppose now you'll tell everyone your Chit don't stink. Ha!

oiseux 03-13-2021 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by skipro33 (Post 2575643)
He is a good guy contractor, a neighbor in fact


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The decking I'm looking at is called Timber Tech AZEK. It is the most fire resistance decking material available at this time and has a Class A flame spread rating index 0-25. Class A = Flame Spread Index of 25 or less; the best possible rating, awarded to fire-retardant building products like concrete.


I think you pretty much explained your own answer. You've got to use the most expensive of materials at a time of high demand. A lot of people are doing major home projects as they've spent a lot of time at home. It has pushed up demand and mills have restricted supply. Hence, the rise in all times of lumber. Then, locally you are in one of the fastest growing construction markets in the country, so trades and labor are at a peak.

Found this relevant article: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/10/lumb...ing-costs.html

skipro33 03-13-2021 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by oiseux (Post 2576353)
I think you pretty much explained your own answer. You've got to use the most expensive of materials at a time of high demand.

Contractor gave me the billing invoice quotes. The 1,000sqft deck boards are around $13K. The steel framing is around $27K and the railing is around $17K. Misc. hardware, tax, etc took the total to $61K for materials.

1st option; pressure treated wood using 6x6, 6x8 framing instead of steel. Price reduction of $13K, roughly half the cost of steel.

2nd option; pressure treated wood 4x4 4x12 framing instead of steel. Price reduction of another $5K from 1st option, for $18K less than steel.

3rd option; railing deleted. Railing was to be horizontal steel cable between metal posts for a cost of $17K. Contractor says we can design our own from raw materials and save at least $10K.

So, if I went with 6x pressure treated lumber on the framing and custom build the railing, not kit from dealer, the material costs can be reduced from $61K down to $38K. Far as looks goes, nothing that is visible will change.

4th option; redwood deck boards. Cost for 2x6 redwood is around $3 to $4 a square ft., roughly $3K to $4K. A reduction from $13K for composite decking, so another $10K, bringing the deck down to $28K.

So, $28K for a conventional wood deck w/6x6 lumber or $61K for steel and composite. I could replace the wood deck twice over during the lifetime of composite/steel. That still leaves the maintenance I was hoping to avoid.

A year ago, the composite/steel was around $20K for materials and wood was half that.

A lot to consider. It's hard to accept the cost of everything construction doubled in a year.

street 03-13-2021 08:03 PM

skipro33 >> sounds like a beautiful deck plan. The landscape is beautiful! Would you consider doing the work yourself?

skipro33 03-13-2021 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by street (Post 2576518)
skipro33 >> sounds like a beautiful deck plan. The landscape is beautiful! Would you consider doing the work yourself?

That was my intent. I've built all the outdoor work you see so far, all my own design. The stone wall is over 60,000 pounds of stack concrete stones I hand carried and laid myself last year. The house I designed but played general contractor, hiring the subs for the various trades.

The problem with doing this deck is that I was diagnosed with cancer and just a bit weakened by it. Doc says it's incurable, but treatable. Anywhere from 5 to 15 years depending on how well my body responds to the chemo I'll have to endure every 2 to 5 years.

Talked it over with the wife this evening and we are now of the mind to go forward with a conventional deck; construction heart redwood at $5 a square ft for deck and a whole lot less for framing since the composite required 12" joist spacing and lumber can get away with 16" up to 20" spacing. I can get the deck materials for half the cost of composite/steel. It just won't last as long and look as nice through the years as composite and steel. I've seen composite decks 7 to 8 years old that look like they were installed last week. Stuff really holds up!

I have 3 other major projects I need done before calling it quits; my driveway, this deck, my barn and a deck off the 2nd story studio apartment I had completed 2 years ago for a future live-in care provider. The deck provides discrete access without trapesing through the living quarters downstairs. My plan was to do one project a year while I was able. I enjoy building and landscaping, but reality has a way of modifying plans.

Here's a sketch of the deck. The red area is the stone wall and steps shown in previous photos.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0

Music Lover 03-13-2021 08:31 PM

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1st option; pressure treated wood using 6x6, 6x8 framing instead of steel. Price reduction of $13K, roughly half the cost of steel.

2nd option; pressure treated wood 4x4 4x12 framing instead of steel. Price reduction of another $5K from 1st option, for $18K less than steel.

3rd option; railing deleted. Railing was to be horizontal steel cable between metal posts for a cost of $17K. Contractor says we can design our own from raw materials and save at least $10K.

So, if I went with 6x pressure treated lumber on the framing and custom build the railing, not kit from dealer, the material costs can be reduced from $61K down to $38K. Far as looks goes, nothing that is visible will change.

My opinion, if you can't see it and there's no performance issues, there's no need to pay more. PT wood can last decades. For example, the deck at my parent's house is 35 years old and the PT joists and beams are still in perfect shape.

I made this railing for my deck, 3 pieces of PT 2x4 and aluminum spindles. It cost roughly $10 per foot. But you might want something nicer...or a lot nicer :)


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Leo1277 03-13-2021 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by skipro33 (Post 2576511)
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So, $28K for a conventional wood deck w/6x6 lumber or $61K for steel and composite. I could replace the wood deck twice over during the lifetime of composite/steel. That still leaves the maintenance I was hoping to avoid.

Another thing to consider is how the composite ages. We have a particularly poor example here in South Florida, the wooden elevated trails in Everglades National Park. Some years ago (I don't know when, but one could probably find out), they wanted to be smart and replaced them all with composite because it would supposedly last longer and be easier to maintain. But now it looks pretty horrific, the "fakeness" is completely obvious, and it almost has a post-apocalyptic appearance to it. On the other hand, when I lived in California, I always liked how Redwood ages, and the way it develops a patina and a certain degree of character even or especially when not "kept up".

street 03-13-2021 09:01 PM

skipro33 >> I'm very sorry to hear about your health and all will go well I'm sure.

You have done some beautiful work and what a beautiful home you have. I wish I was close I would help you finish that deck.

RobbieB 03-13-2021 09:12 PM

I think 6x6 would be good.

Leo1277 03-13-2021 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by street (Post 2576538)
skipro33 >> I'm very sorry to hear about your health and all will go well I'm sure.

You have done some beautiful work and what a beautiful home you have. I wish I was close I would help you finish that deck.

I am sure we all join in with Street's good wishes!

And yes, a really beautiful home, and it looks like it will be a really beautiful deck.

Jerry1 03-13-2021 09:27 PM

My blow of the dough started last year with the install of an inground pool. Nothing fantastic, but special for us. Install and associated landscaping about $125K.

This year we're working on the amenities. I just spent about $2,500 on an umbrella and dining set for the patio near the pool. Will probably spend another couple grand on a gazebo. Thanks to Costco, it seems like we're getting some nice pieces for a good price.

Now if I can just get the City to give me a break on the gazebo. They say because it has a roof that it's covered by the rules for a shed and requires a footing (piers) of 42" deep. Problem is that the concrete pad was already poured and is larger than the gazebo. So to put down some piers I'd have to somehow cut into the pad I just poured last year. My alternative is to do a pergola. Since a pergola doesn't have a roof, it can be mounted directly to the concrete pad. I get the feeling they're making this stuff up as they go along.

stephenson 03-13-2021 10:55 PM

Picked up 2021 Subaru Ascent two days ago.

Considered it and the BMW X5 PHEV - way different cars, but even with the federal tax credit, it was 30K more than the Subaru, dreary feeling inside, with much harder access and head room.

May use the difference to buy something like the new mid engine Corvette, or, a late model Porsche 911 ��

ER Eddie 03-14-2021 05:01 AM

Jeez, when you guys blow the dough, you don't mess around. 61K? 125K? Six-figure projects? I'm doing well if I can get myself to spring for new underwear.

No, I'm just kidding. I have fresh underwear. But typically, when I'm thinking of "blowing dough," I'm spending a couple of hundred dollars, maybe a couple thousand at most. Nowhere near the projects you guys are talking about.

street 03-14-2021 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ER Eddie (Post 2576583)
Jeez, when you guys blow the dough, you don't mess around. 61K? 125K? Six-figure projects? I'm doing well if I can get myself to spring for new underwear.

No, I'm just kidding. I have fresh underwear. But typically, when I'm thinking of "blowing dough," I'm spending a couple of hundred dollars, maybe a couple thousand at most. Nowhere near the projects you guys are talking about.

LOL!
Those people are called rich! I also think "blowing dough" is a couple K at the most. I did buy a SUV recently and had to spend a little more then a couple K and it a big deal for me for blowing dough. Lol

wmc1000 03-14-2021 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by skipro33 (Post 2576511)
Contractor gave me the billing invoice quotes. The 1,000sqft deck boards are around $13K. The steel framing is around $27K and the railing is around $17K. Misc. hardware, tax, etc took the total to $61K for materials.

1st option; pressure treated wood using 6x6, 6x8 framing instead of steel. Price reduction of $13K, roughly half the cost of steel.

2nd option; pressure treated wood 4x4 4x12 framing instead of steel. Price reduction of another $5K from 1st option, for $18K less than steel.

3rd option; railing deleted. Railing was to be horizontal steel cable between metal posts for a cost of $17K. Contractor says we can design our own from raw materials and save at least $10K.

So, if I went with 6x pressure treated lumber on the framing and custom build the railing, not kit from dealer, the material costs can be reduced from $61K down to $38K. Far as looks goes, nothing that is visible will change.

4th option; redwood deck boards. Cost for 2x6 redwood is around $3 to $4 a square ft., roughly $3K to $4K. A reduction from $13K for composite decking, so another $10K, bringing the deck down to $28K.

So, $28K for a conventional wood deck w/6x6 lumber or $61K for steel and composite. I could replace the wood deck twice over during the lifetime of composite/steel. That still leaves the maintenance I was hoping to avoid.

A year ago, the composite/steel was around $20K for materials and wood was half that.

A lot to consider. It's hard to accept the cost of everything construction doubled in a year.

The conventional deck seems like the way to go. I understand your concerns about regular maintenance as that was one of mu concerns with our PT wood deck. If I could mention a product I used with terrific results because it is a bonding stain that will not peel and over a period of 11 years all I ever had to do was roll on another coat after washing the dirt off the original coat of stain.

Check out onetimewood.com - I have no financial or other interest in this just wanted to pass along something that worked for me and avoided the dreaded stripping and restaining process. All of our 3 daughters families have started using this after seeing the results and ease we had.

Jerry1 03-14-2021 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by street (Post 2576590)
LOL!
Those people are called rich!

By a lot of measures, Im rich and Im humbled by the blessing of what my career provided. The pool was a planned retirement lifestyle expenditure. We planned for one large spend. Options were an RV, or a cottage, or a pool, or a snowbird location. Rich as we are, we could only swing one and we chose the pool. Being homebodies, it seemed to make the most sense.

Trust me, its all relative. I see some of the lifestyles of members on this board and wonder what that kind of rich would be like. Im sure most anyone one this board has people that look at them as rich just by the nature of the forum - early retirement. I mean, how rich is that!

I look a Street, making his vases out of old cedar posts and walking around on his ranch and wonder what that kind of rich is like. Seems pretty sweet. Im thankful to share some of these lives with all you rich people.

street 03-14-2021 07:26 AM

Jerry1 >> I did not mean anything but some humor from the they are rich comment. I sure hope you took it that way. Just having fun with what must of us can do with our resources.

I see nothing less then humble and blessed people here on ER. I sometimes like to poke fun at our life styles but absolutely not singling out anyone or belittling anyone with what they have or don't have.

Aerides 03-14-2021 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry1 (Post 2576550)
Now if I can just get the City to give me a break on the gazebo. They say because it has a roof that it's covered by the rules for a shed and requires a footing (piers) of 42" deep. Problem is that the concrete pad was already poured and is larger than the gazebo. So to put down some piers I'd have to somehow cut into the pad I just poured last year. My alternative is to do a pergola. Since a pergola doesn't have a roof, it can be mounted directly to the concrete pad. I get the feeling they're making this stuff up as they go along.

I'm doing a pergola with our pool, but since I'm in FL, for hurricane wind requirements I need those deep footers anyway. I had them poured before the decking, as I knew I needed something out there. Yup they are deep!

I'm getting the simple 12x12 yardistry pergola from Costco, and I'll also get some sort of shade cover fabric to make a "roof" so it won't be fully covered but offer some respite in the sun, which is all I really want.

I'm also doing a pool, and went for upgrades like salt, travertine decking, a ledge with therapy jets, and of course I happened to like the most expensive tile...

Jerry1 03-14-2021 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by street (Post 2576613)
Jerry1 >> I did not mean anything but some humor from the they are rich comment. I sure hope you took it that way. Just having fun with what must of us can do with our resources.

I see nothing less then humble and blessed people here on ER. I sometimes like to poke fun at our life styles but absolutely not singling out anyone or belittling anyone with what they have or don't have.

No offense taken. I may be a little defensive, but I was really just trying to say that were all rich. Just in different ways.

doneat54 03-14-2021 08:01 AM

"Railing was to be horizontal steel cable between metal posts for a cost of $17K"


You have got to be kidding me.

Jerry1 03-14-2021 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerides (Post 2576620)
I'm getting the simple 12x12 yardistry pergola from Costco, and I'll also get some sort of shade cover fabric to make a "roof" so it won't be fully covered but offer some respite in the sun, which is all I really want.

I'm also doing a pool, and went for upgrades like salt, travertine decking, a ledge with therapy jets, and of course I happened to like the most expensive tile...

Shade is my main objective also, but the gazebo also has mosquito netting which was nice in the evening or helpful for flys and such while eating.

street 03-14-2021 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry1 (Post 2576628)
No offense taken. I may be a little defensive, but I was really just trying to say that were all rich. Just in different ways.

Great! Sometimes my humor isn't funny to all but I can assure you no negativity was intended.

Yeah we are all rich, even without being rich. Lol

skipro33 03-14-2021 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wmc1000 (Post 2576596)
The conventional deck seems like the way to go. I understand your concerns about regular maintenance as that was one of mu concerns with our PT wood deck. If I could mention a product I used with terrific results because it is a bonding stain that will not peel and over a period of 11 years all I ever had to do was roll on another coat after washing the dirt off the original coat of stain.

Check out onetimewood.com - I have no financial or other interest in this just wanted to pass along something that worked for me and avoided the dreaded stripping and restaining process. All of our 3 daughters families have started using this after seeing the results and ease we had.

I agree. I messaged my contractor this morning to that effect; a conventional redwood deck. He called me back. We chatted for nearly an hour and he's got a strong relationship with a west coast redwood mill, can buy direct from the mill, so that might help costs too.

I'll follow up on your referral for the deck finish too. Thanks for that!

skyking1 03-14-2021 10:34 AM

Good that you got it going, the prices just keep climbing.

Music Lover 03-14-2021 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by skyking1 (Post 2576723)
Good that you got it going, the prices just keep climbing.

My friend was going to build a large deck with my help last spring but he decided to wait until this year. It was a costly delay.

skipro33 03-14-2021 11:08 AM

It really is amazing the concept of rich and poor. We live on around $4k a month. For a long time, it didn't dawn on me that my income from pension and SS was double that until the bank called me about the balance in my checking account. Then there's the IRA's invested in equity mutual funds 80% and cash 20%. Boy howdy have those grown! I'm now BURDENED with finding ways to spend down all this money so my kids don't end up blowing it for me. Ha!

But rich is relative. We recently started watching a program on TV called Airplane Repo. Multi million dollar private jets, 80' yachts, etc. owned by dead beat trust fund babies who haven't a clue what a dollar is worth. Very exciting show!

Dtail 03-14-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry1 (Post 2576628)
No offense taken. I may be a little defensive, but I was really just trying to say that were all rich. Just in different ways.

This is true. Early retirement is priceless.

Aerides 03-14-2021 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry1 (Post 2576628)
No offense taken. I may be a little defensive, but I was really just trying to say that were all rich. Just in different ways.

And I mean after all, this is the Blow That Dough thread. No room here for judgment or shaming!

Music Lover 03-14-2021 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerides (Post 2576767)
And I mean after all, this is the Blow That Dough thread. No room here for judgment or shaming!

There certainly are many different levels of blowing dough on this site!!

W2R 03-14-2021 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Music Lover (Post 2576768)
There certainly are many different levels of blowing dough on this site!!

As long as it makes the "dough blower" feel happy, and satisfies his/her consumer urges for the time being, then I think it counts!

Ronstar 03-14-2021 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by W2R (Post 2576795)
As long as it makes the "dough blower" feel happy, and satisfies his/her consumer urges for the time being, then I think it counts!



I agree. Im glad you added for the time being. Life will not be worth living past the days when my consumer urges stop.

ER Eddie 03-14-2021 05:32 PM

I suppose I might qualify as low-level "rich" by some definitions. I just have difficulty thinking in terms of blowing six figures. I guess I have a higher threshold for blowing than other people do (I should probably rephrase that).

I think it has to do with 1) valuing simplicity, not being particularly materialistic or consumerist; 2) being early on in my retirement, with a long way to go (hopefully); 3) a long history of saving and accumulating, with little experience in blowing money willy nilly; and 4) being in the middle of uncertain economic times.

In part, I come to this thread for inspiration, though. I would like to learn to be a little less conservative with my money and a little more free-spending. I just don't think I'm ready to jump in the deep end yet. I'll stick to the couple hundred or couple thousand dollar level for now.

Bigdawg 03-14-2021 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ER Eddie (Post 2576923)
In part, I come to this thread for inspiration, though. I would like to learn to be a little less conservative with my money and a little more free-spending. I just don't think I'm ready to jump in the deep end yet. I'll stick to the couple hundred or couple thousand dollar level for now.

My idea of "blowing the dough" is no tied up in the price but in the purpose or use of what you are blowing the dough on. For instance the above poster with the 6 figure deck: An arguement could be made that a deck is almost essential. I think Robbie blowing a few hundred on some crabs legs and waygu steaks qualifies for "blowing the dough" long before someone adding a deck to the back of their house does. My 2 cents.

RobbieB 03-14-2021 06:34 PM

I'm all for exotic foods. Gimme some wagyu and I'll flip it on the barbee. Gimme some Russian Ossetra and I'll creame fraiche it with some icy cold grey goose.

I got some snake river cap of ribeye in the freezer and a couple pounds of catalina grade fish.

But hey, I did a hundred grand on the landscape and the sheds too!

The fountain arrived on friday. It cost a grand.

Hey maybe that's the level eh? Over a grand.

ER Eddie 03-14-2021 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdawg (Post 2576945)
My idea of "blowing the dough" is no tied up in the price but in the purpose or use of what you are blowing the dough on. For instance the above poster with the 6 figure deck: An arguement could be made that a deck is almost essential. I think Robbie blowing a few hundred on some crabs legs and waygu steaks qualifies for "blowing the dough" long before someone adding a deck to the back of their house does. My 2 cents.

Yeah, I like the spirit of that. It's more about the attitude you are spending it with, rather than the amount.

RobbieB 03-14-2021 06:53 PM

Yeah, a few hundred on stuff that won't even last a week...

But hey, it tastes so good!

Winemaker 03-14-2021 07:02 PM

It's all relative to one's preferences. I would like to extend our deck another 4' out and put a permanent roof overhead. But the price of lumber is sky high right now. I wound also like to replace my ceramic tile floor with a luxury vinyl flooring. But, we entertain during the warmer months, and to tear up the first floor to remove the ceramic tile, woodwork, and repaint, is crazy. I'd like to upgrade the two upstairs bathrooms, the fiberglass shower/tubs are beginning to check, and I don't want any water damage. It all has to do with priorities and budget. if you got the cash, do what you gotta do, and postpone what you can.

Music Lover 03-14-2021 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdawg (Post 2576945)
An arguement could be made that a deck is almost essential.

I agree. I have 700 feet of deck and a 986 sq. ft. house :laugh:

explanade 03-14-2021 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RobbieB (Post 2576950)
I'm all for exotic foods. Gimme some wagyu and I'll flip it on the barbee. Gimme some Russian Ossetra and I'll creame fraiche it with some icy cold grey goose.

I got some snake river cap of ribeye in the freezer and a couple pounds of catalina grade fish.

But hey, I did a hundred grand on the landscape and the sheds too!

The fountain arrived on friday. It cost a grand.

Hey maybe that's the level eh? Over a grand.


Speaking of exotic foods, anyone try petrossian.com or goldbelly.com?

Or maybe Fauchon?

RobbieB 03-14-2021 08:32 PM

Yeah, I got some very expensive (because rare now) smoked Lake Michigan chubs at goldbelly. Once plentiful and cheap, now rare and exotic.

ncbill 03-15-2021 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wmc1000 (Post 2576596)
The conventional deck seems like the way to go. I understand your concerns about regular maintenance as that was one of mu concerns with our PT wood deck. If I could mention a product I used with terrific results because it is a bonding stain that will not peel and over a period of 11 years all I ever had to do was roll on another coat after washing the dirt off the original coat of stain.

Check out onetimewood.com - I have no financial or other interest in this just wanted to pass along something that worked for me and avoided the dreaded stripping and restaining process. All of our 3 daughters families have started using this after seeing the results and ease we had.

Thanks for the recommendation...here my (southern exposure) deck is in full sun so I picked wood again when it needed a rebuild..composite would have gotten too hot to walk on.

I picked a brick red, opaque stain since I liked that color on a neighbor's deck but it's flaking off after just a couple of years.

wmc1000 03-15-2021 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ncbill (Post 2577217)
Thanks for the recommendation...here my (southern exposure) deck is in full sun so I picked wood again when it needed a rebuild..composite would have gotten too hot to walk on.

I picked a brick red, opaque stain since I liked that color on a neighbor's deck but it's flaking off after just a couple of years.

Yep, before I used the onetimewood product I always went thru the peeling stain issue and dreaded pressure washing/stripping but never after stripping and using their product.

tmm99 03-15-2021 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RobbieB (Post 2576959)
Yeah, a few hundred on stuff that won't even last a week...

But hey, it tastes so good!

I think what counts is that "it tastes so good!" part. Some people might spend the same amount of money or even more, but if they don't get much pleasure out of the experience, it's money wanted IMO.

I'd say your money is very well spent! :dance::dance::dance:

unclemick 03-16-2021 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by skipro33 (Post 2575649)
Did a new leach field get installed as well? I suppose now you'll tell everyone your Chit don't stink. Ha!

Of course!

Heh heh heh - Grin.

Music Lover 03-16-2021 01:44 PM

I bought a Ryobi 18v tool combo kit today...drill, impact driver, circular saw, reciprocating saw, oscillating tool, and flashlight. I don't really need this as I have some older corded tools but the set is compact and everything fits in a bag so it's convenient if I want to take some tools to help someone on a project or to take to the cabin.

It had all the tools I want except for a jigsaw but I'll probably buy one separately to complete the set. It also came with a free Bluetooth speaker but I'm picky and disappointed with the sound quality so I'll just buy another speaker.

Koogie 03-16-2021 02:21 PM

You might want to look at their 18g cordless brad nailer as well. I've been very impressed with it. It goes on sale real cheap at the Orange Place from time to time when it is just the bare Ryobi tool. I got mine for C$88

Music Lover 03-16-2021 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Koogie (Post 2577799)
You might want to look at their 18g cordless brad nailer as well. I've been very impressed with it. It goes on sale real cheap at the Orange Place from time to time when it is just the bare Ryobi tool. I got mine for C$88

I have an air brad nailer but a corded one would be nice...right now it's $195 so I'll watch for a sale.

The jigsaw is $85 and I doubt that will drop much so I'll get that soon. I could also get a brushless jigsaw for $150 but it's not really necessary for the amount of use it would get.

Palmtree 03-16-2021 03:14 PM

We decided to spend a little bit of the new stimulas in advance. We spurged $670 and installed a set of Aqua-stairs on our dock. We had a swim ladder that worked perfectly fine, but now we can walk up steps to get out of the water instead of climbing a ladder. Did we need it? No, not really, but it sure makes life easier!

Sue J 03-17-2021 10:57 AM

Anyone (and I mean RobbieB) ever try these?

https://sunshrimp.com/

An ad showed up in my Facebook feed and I thought of this Blow That Dough! thread. They look beautiful and expensive and have a nice story behind them.

RobbieB 03-17-2021 12:26 PM

Haven't had them. Yet...

Looks good, me thinks I'll order up a 10 pack of Jumbo peeled and deveined - :)

Dash man 03-17-2021 01:59 PM

Ordered a new iPhone 12 Pro the other day. The box came today. Someone had helped themselves to the IPhone before it got to me. Not a good day.

MichaelB 03-17-2021 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dash man (Post 2578288)
Ordered a new iPhone 12 Pro the other day. The box came today. Someone had helped themselves to the IPhone before it got to me. Not a good day.

You got an empty box? Wow..

Dash man 03-17-2021 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelB (Post 2578289)
You got an empty box? Wow..



They left the accessories I ordered, and even the box and plastic wrap the iPhone itself was in. But no iPhone. It was delivered FedEx, but it was obvious when I picked up the box it had been opened.

doneat54 03-17-2021 02:16 PM

I'm out of control.

I just bought my second new car (new to me) in one week. Bought a 2018 VW Tiguan with 6600 miles on the clock. Couldn't pass it up.

MichaelB 03-17-2021 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dash man (Post 2578292)
They left the accessories I ordered, and even the box and plastic wrap the iPhone itself was in. But no iPhone. It was delivered FedEx, but it was obvious when I picked up the box it had been opened.

Bummer. Hope you get a replacement quickly and easily.

Aerides 03-17-2021 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dash man (Post 2578292)
They left the accessories I ordered, and even the box and plastic wrap the iPhone itself was in. But no iPhone. It was delivered FedEx, but it was obvious when I picked up the box it had been opened.

Be sure to report it to Fedex, and take photos, both for the carrier and the seller.

braumeister 03-17-2021 02:27 PM

I believe Apple can disable the phone remotely if you tell them about it.

harley 03-17-2021 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by skipro33 (Post 2576511)
So, $28K for a conventional wood deck w/6x6 lumber or $61K for steel and composite. I could replace the wood deck twice over during the lifetime of composite/steel. That still leaves the maintenance I was hoping to avoid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by skipro33 (Post 2576523)
I've seen composite decks 7 to 8 years old that look like they were installed last week. Stuff really holds up!

Skipro, just a word of experience. We build an approximately 1400 sf deck 13 years ago out of TimberTech, which was top of the line at the time. We went with hidden fasteners and the whole shmeer. And it has, for the most part, held up really well. But it's not maintenance free. We have to pressure wash it every year, at least after the first few years. They really have a tendency to get mold and mildew on them. Also, be careful dragging things across them (tables, outdoor firepits, etc.) They can scratch up, and you can't sand it out.

Having said that, they are much lower maintenance than wood, with no sanding/staining/coating needing to be done. A bit of caution and a bit of cleanup, and you're good to go.

Edit: Also, don't space your joists too far apart. It you get a lot of sun (looks you might not) they can slump a little. They still support the weight, but you end up with a little dip.

Good luck with the project. We're waterfront, so everything is mostly flat. I wouldn't look forward to your project, although I'd definitely love to see it when it's finished.

RobbieB 03-17-2021 05:51 PM

I like wood.

I recycled the whole redwood deck into the planter boxes and the tool shed deck. Redwood looks good, is strong, resists rot and natural - biodegradable.

Yeah, it will age and need re-staining and power washing. But when even that fails you can always paint it.

audreyh1 03-17-2021 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dash man (Post 2578288)
Ordered a new iPhone 12 Pro the other day. The box came today. Someone had helped themselves to the IPhone before it got to me. Not a good day.

Wow!

audreyh1 03-17-2021 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dash man (Post 2578292)
They left the accessories I ordered, and even the box and plastic wrap the iPhone itself was in. But no iPhone. It was delivered FedEx, but it was obvious when I picked up the box it had been opened.

Too bad you didn’t catch the Fedex guy to refuse it!

Dash man 03-17-2021 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by braumeister (Post 2578300)
I believe Apple can disable the phone remotely if you tell them about it.



I bought it through Verizon and its already done. Theyll be refunding the credit card so I can order a new one. This time to be shipped to the local store for me to pick up. Kudos to the Verizon representative spoke to.

Dash man 03-17-2021 07:57 PM

Blow That Dough! -2021
 
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Originally Posted by Aerides (Post 2578299)
Be sure to report it to Fedex, and take photos, both for the carrier and the seller.


I have the delivery on video, but it was just the driver dropping it on my porch.
ETA: Verizon is doing the investigation.

Music Lover 03-18-2021 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by harley (Post 2578305)
Skipro, just a word of experience. We build an approximately 1400 sf deck 13 years ago out of TimberTech, which was top of the line at the time. We went with hidden fasteners and the whole shmeer. And it has, for the most part, held up really well. But it's not maintenance free. We have to pressure wash it every year, at least after the first few years. They really have a tendency to get mold and mildew on them. Also, be careful dragging things across them (tables, outdoor firepits, etc.) They can scratch up, and you can't sand it out.

Having said that, they are much lower maintenance than wood, with no sanding/staining/coating needing to be done. A bit of caution and a bit of cleanup, and you're good to go.

Edit: Also, don't space your joists too far apart. It you get a lot of sun (looks you might not) they can slump a little. They still support the weight, but you end up with a little dip.

Good luck with the project. We're waterfront, so everything is mostly flat. I wouldn't look forward to your project, although I'd definitely love to see it when it's finished.

If you don't stain a wood deck it will gradually turn grey, of course that look is a matter of preference. But once you stain it then you have to maintain the stain on a regular basis. We like the grey look (and I'm a little lazy) so all we do is roll on some water sealer every 3 or 4 years with a paint roller which takes an hour or less.

Composite decking will sag, many companies recommend joist spacing as close as 12". A friend has a composite deck with 16" spacing and you can see a light amount of sagging, but I don't know which brand they used. My deck boards are PT 5/4" and I went with 16" spacing and there's no sagging. I also tend to slightly overbuild the structure because the extra cost is minimal...going from 24" to 16" spacing over 16 feet is just 4 extra joists, but it gives you a rock solid deck with no bounce or give.

RobbieB 03-18-2021 11:17 PM

Twenty two hundred for 4 trees trimmed. Six guys and seven hours and a chipper and 2 trucks full of chips. Tipped 'em a C note too and going to have 'em do another.

I love pros - :)

Leo1277 03-19-2021 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RobbieB (Post 2579077)
Twenty two hundred for 4 trees trimmed. Six guys and seven hours and a chipper and 2 trucks full of chips. Tipped 'em a C note too and going to have 'em do another.

I love pros - :)

Do you get to keep the chips? May make good mulch if you need any.


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