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bluehero 04-17-2006 04:51 PM

Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Here it goes,* I'm a Senior Engineering Manager at large electronics company age 46 and suffering from extreme job stress and burnout(major depression, daily stress headaches, blood pressure up etc)*

I have $750K in liquid assets in 401K's, roths, and taxable brokerage accounts, $500K equity in real estate($130K left on the mortgage), and another $250K in semi liquid assets.* Despite the fact I drive a BMW, I am actually very fiscally conservative (I still have the 1984 truck I bought after graduate school) and have no debt of any consequence.* Kids college already paid for.

I already own all the toys I need ( and my wife would say many more than I need),* Do I have enough, given some restraint and proper financanical management) to leave the stress of the corporate world behind?

I understand there are no warrenties expressed or implied on any responses :)

Cut-Throat 04-17-2006 05:03 PM

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What are your living expenses per year? Are you going to sell your house and downsize? Do you have to go it alone on Healthcare? Any Pensions besides Social Security? Any Kids? Does the wife work?

We can provide better answers, if you provide a little more info.

bluehero 04-17-2006 05:11 PM

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50K actual living expenses, could be easily dropped to 40K. Wife will continue working part time (~30K)with benefits for another 10 years. I'm eligible for company retiree insurance after that and before medicare.

2 kids out of house, college already paid for. We will either sell and downsize(but not anytimesoon) or reverse mortgage @62

Thanks,

Bob

dex 04-17-2006 05:36 PM

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"I'm a Senior Engineering Manager at large electronics company age 46 and suffering from extreme job stress and burnout(major depression, daily stress headaches, blood pressure up etc)"

I would suggest that you consider other options before RE. You are not in a good place to make a good decisions - IMHO (of course).

First look at your options to decompress and get out of the place where you are. There are many if you are willing to speak up for them. I don't know your company but I can think of:
1. Take all your vacation time and think.
2. Take a leave of absence
3. Seek out help from the health services available at your company.
4. Seek out perfessional help.

Burn out is a very real and tangible affliction. It affects your mind and body; do not take it lightly.
You can always leave your job.
In some ways you are in a power seat. You have the option to stay or go. Think of it that way and some of the pressure may be relived.
Take your time.

MasterBlaster 04-17-2006 05:51 PM

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Well Here's how I look at it. You have ~$1M in assets that can be used to generate income. Using the 4% safe withdrawal rate you can take out ~40k for the duration (before taxes). If the wife adds another $30k then you are set for something like a 50k (after tax) lifestyle.

Or sell the house and move somewhere inexpensive and enjoy the good life now. Maybe a year or three off will change your mindset. Maybe you could re-engineer yourself as a forest ranger (or whatever) and have a more sane lifestyle.

For me, although my job is not too stressful anymore, I found that once I reached that financial stage where I no longer needed to work to pay all my bills that my mindset changed. It wasn't so stressful to go into work anymore. The big boss wasn't such a jerk anymore. The co-workers were more tolerable to me. The boss and the co-workers didn't change but my attitude about work sure did.

Maybe a mindset change would do you wonders too.

macdaddy 04-17-2006 06:11 PM

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bluehero, i don't know how old your kids are, but you may have some unexpected expenses down the road, such as weddings/honeymoons, or want to help them with a downpayment for a house, or grandkid related expenses. you don't want to have to dip into your principle to cover these. additionally, i don't know where you live, but if it's a state with no property tax cap, then if values rise, you could take a hit. an extra 2-3k in annual property tax may not seem like much but if your net income is 40k then it is. also remember that the bmw you have will wear out at some point and will need to be replaced. i would feel much more comfortable if you built up a few hundred thousand more. a lot of folks on this board make lifestyle "sacrifices" in order to make early retirement work on ~ 40k, you need to think hard about whether that will work for you. maybe you can look into another job or position that would be less stressful, but still provide income for a few more years.

Coach 04-17-2006 06:27 PM

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Blue, it sounds like you could afford to take a year or two off anyway. Your environment sounds so toxic that getting the hell out might be a great idea. If you do decide to go back to work, I bet EE's can always find work.

Because of your age I assume to retire you'd have to use rule 72t to get penalty-free access to your retirement funds -- you need to make sure you can produce a cash flow that will work.

Coach

dex 04-17-2006 06:42 PM

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++++Third Glass of wine warning here++++
I know the question asked is about money but, as a long term member of this board I do not beleive that that is the the quesition that needs to be answered. Or as a good philosopher said: "You may not always get what you want but sometimes, you get what you need."

When I found this board I asked a similar question. The responses got me to thinking and helped me.

I think we owe it to bluehero to dig a bit deeper. That is why I posted my opinion. I would like to ask Cut-Throat to weigh in to this aspect of the discussion because I think he and others have been around enough to see the real question being posed. I do not believe it is about finances.

I also draw on other experiences I have had in my life. I have spoken with people who are in major crisis in their lives and they do not see it. People in trouble need help in identifying the issues in their life and then finding the solutions. Who has not been there where a someone with an objective viewpoint has not sceen their issues with a clear and simple view.

I could be wrong and this could be my 4th glass of wine.

Jump in!

donheff 04-17-2006 06:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bluehero
Here it goes, I'm a Senior Engineering Manager at large electronics company age 46 and suffering from extreme job stress and burnout(major depression, daily stress headaches, blood pressure up etc)

I was in that same situation at age 45. I popped a few pills for half a year and made a fairly dramatic work change (from HR to IT). I was still a manager so many of the factors that previously led to stress were still present but the new field and perspective change gave me a new lease on life to the point where I actually liked most of my work life (despite a continuing habit of waking up in the middle of the night worrying). At age 56, the ER picture was solid and I happily pulled the plug. I never wake up at night now.

The poster who suggested taking some time to get perspective on your current situation was right on. This is not the sort of decision to make on one of those days when you wake up and just can't go to work - stay home sick for a few days instead.

Don

califdreamer 04-17-2006 07:08 PM

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I'm probably echoing what others have said, but I would find a way to get away from your workplace, either an extended vacation or leave of absence. *I would focus on resting, getting some exercise and seriously examining what you want to do with the rest of your life. *You can do this by discussing your innermost feelings with a trusted friend, family member or perhaps a professional therapist. *See if you can come up with some ideas on paper. *

Dex makes a great point... it's worth digging in deeper to see how your stressful situation came about and what it is you really, really want from life. *It will likely take some time and some stretching out of comfort zones. *

You've got a lot going for you and you can generate a lot of good options with some thoughtful reflection. *Only you can come up with the answers but some that come to mind are leaving your job and doing something less stressful and more fulfilling while your wife works PT. *Maybe you could teach at a nearby community college, for instance. *You could let the nest egg grow for a few more years and then downsize the real estate, perhaps go RE in a less expensive, relaxing place. *That's just one of many possible options I'm sure.

Hope this goes well for you. *Best of luck.


haha 04-17-2006 07:23 PM

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I believe that this board has matured a lot in the last 12-18 months. If this same situation presented by the OP had been presented back then, many would have said, "Oh yeah, groovy, man, go for it. If things get tight you can always dig grubs"

Ha

dex 04-17-2006 07:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HaHa
I believe that this board has matured a lot in the last 12-18 months. If this same situation presented by the OP had been presented back then, many would have said, "Oh yeah, groovy, man, go for it. If things get tight you can always dig grubs"
Ha

Definately my 4th glass of wine - this is a special ocasion.

I agree with Haha.

See ya'll tomorrow.

laurence 04-17-2006 07:33 PM

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What they said, take a break, take a vacation, and maybe think about a job you've always wanted to try, and do that for a while. *It may only be enough to pay the bills, and not sock away more, but it will keep you from pulling on your nest egg, and let compounding do it's thing. *

Also, if you've taken a break/vacation, and you get back and are sure you are done with work, period, then set a date, say, six months out that you are going to retire, and start getting things in order. *Tell your boss, get work ready for it, and see how you feel as the date gets closer.

EDIT: Rock on Dex! Blue, don't use Dex's method to cope with your stress, you should only drink to celebrate! ;)

Jarhead* 04-17-2006 07:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HaHa
I believe that this board has matured a lot in the last 12-18 months. If this same situation presented by the OP had been presented back then, many would have said, "Oh yeah, groovy, man, go for it. If things get tight you can always dig grubs"

Ha

"Will-Power, and Brain Power, an unbeatable combination. ;D

ESRBob 04-17-2006 07:57 PM

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Bluehero;
Take a deep breath -- you found your way here and that is half the battle.

Don't go into this blindly or rashly. Most of us got to ER after a fair amount of planning, and hoping for it for a number of years. There are two sides to getting ready -- the financial side and the emotional/planning side. So if you need a break from the crisis, take that fast-- maybe a long vacation, a job change or a sabbatical, but don't call it ER until you've done more spadework.

I am biased, but I wrote "Work Less, Live More" to pull together a lot of resources for someone in your situation. You can find it at Amazon via the link on the bottom of this page. But you could also spend next Saturday (or heck, shut the office door and spend the next few days on the company's time) reading through a bunch of these threads here, asking questions, and getting a feel for how this all works.

On the financial side, you should be in good shape as long as your wife is working, and after that it could still be ok, but tight. Don't forget to add in some of the silent 'accruals' -- expenses like car depreciation, fund management fees and house maintenance things that crop up every several years that are easy to forget about in the annual budget. You could also do some part-time work a few years into ER that bring in a few thousand a year and that is actually fun. Right now I sculpt portraits of my neighbors' kids -- who knows what you might be able to do once you've had a few years out of the office.

On the planning side, you'll want to make sure your wife understands what you're thinking about and is supportive.

A lot of us have been in your shoes. There is a way out, but if you want to have the best chance of this working, follow dex and Ha's and the others' advice -- solve the short term problems first and then get to the long term lifestyle change things when thing settle down.


bluehero 04-17-2006 08:24 PM

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I want to thank everyone here for your thoughtful responses. This is actually something that I have been planning/thinking about for a long time. I did in take 3 month sabatical last summer to try and sort things out, there are lso some serious family stresses related my eldest son that have added to the stress level. Much of my disillusionment, however is a growing moral rift I am having with drive for corporate profits and the impact that has on work environment. More and more, the focus is how to increase productivity(corporate euphamism for how can we reduce headcount) not grow the business or contribute more to the community. I'm just tired of my major contribution to society being my consumer spending.

I am not considering siting in the back yard watching the dandilions grow for the next 20 years, just getting out of the stab your friend in the back corporate rat race. I have run several successful businessess in the past, and currently run a music recording studio & record label (www.blueheronrecords.com) in my home for local artists that can;t afford to pay for studio time and I have a adjunt professor slot lined up for next fall at a local university.

I just guess I am seeking warm fuzzies and some kind of reinforcement that there is actually water in the pool should I get the guts to jump in :-)

Thanks!
Bob



ESRBob 04-17-2006 08:59 PM

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Bob/Blue Hero
I know the feeling of being sick of the corporate ratrace. I was in sales and then general management, and every month or every quarter was a new do-or-die set of numbers to meet. Great numbers last quarter only seemed to ratchet up the pressure to do even better this quarter. There was no lasting peace in it, at least for me, and I guess that is just the nature of the beast.

Sounds like you've done more thinking and planning about this than appeared at first. I like that you've already got other interests, like your recording thing, going on the side -- that could turn into a nice little side income stream if you ever needed it to. Take care of the beemer and hope the wifes' job keeps chugging, and this could all work fine. We love ER around here, we just don't want anybody jumping into the shallow end.

azanon 04-18-2006 08:40 AM

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Quote:

I believe that this board has matured a lot in the last 12-18 months. If this same situation presented by the OP had been presented back then, many would have said, "Oh yeah, groovy, man, go for it. If things get tight you can always dig grubs"
I agree.* I have seen some pretty recklass advice handed out in the past, such as the often "just retire, and figure out a plan later" advise we used to get from the genius that is JG.

astromeria 04-18-2006 11:13 AM

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You have your act together at least as well as we did--and a similar financial stash, too. I greatly admire your recording business and lovely web site (one of my brothers and my nephew are musicians and my niece is a web designer) as well as the adjunct prof job you set up. (The students will call you Professor--they don't care about the distinction ;-) Consider setting your last work date (end of May perhaps?), and taking the summer off to blow off the work stress, cope with the personal stress, and get ready for teaching. What's the worst that could happen--you might decide to go back to tech mgt after a nice change of pace and perspective?

Best wishes for your happiness and new directions!

Ed_The_Gypsy 04-18-2006 07:55 PM

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bluehero,

What would you like to do?

Ed

bluehero 04-19-2006 02:13 AM

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It's kind of interesting that my son's old pshchiatrist (we've still been seeing him even though my son has gone off the deep end IQ 150 living homeless on the streets in downtown Portland) advice is that since we've got the means, the very worst case scenerio is that I take a few years off and if I get bored with the recording studio or teaching, I can always go back to work at a lower stresss position.

What I want to do is to teach part time (my father was a University Professor) and to continue to do "charity studiot and record label" i.e. give talented people access to Professional recording who despite their immesne artistic gifts have been unable to make a dime even if given 2 nickles. If I make health insurance money from teaching and break even from the studio I'll be an extremely happy camper.

Actually what I really want is to do whatever it takes to stop having daily stress-tension headaches and high blood pressure. I don;t get headaches when I'm not at work and I start getting them the second day back to work. Same pattern for the last 8 years. It's getting very old/

Thanks,

Bob

ESRBob 04-19-2006 08:04 PM

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Bob,
I think you've done all the planning you need to at this point. Time to make a change! You've got a great vision for what you'd do in ER. And maybe there would be more time to reach out to your son -- it must be a terrible burden for you, and although I am sure you have done everything imaginable to help him already, ER is bound to give you time and energy which might suggest some new approach or possibility.

Good luck with your decision. I remember the headaches, too. Haven't had any in a long time.

jug 04-20-2006 11:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bluehero
It's kind of interesting that my son's old pshchiatrist (we've still been seeing him even though my son has gone off the deep end IQ 150 living homeless on the streets in downtown Portland) advice is that since we've got the means, the very worst case scenerio is that I take a few years off and if I get bored with the recording studio or teaching, I can always go back to work at a lower stresss position.

Blue, I think that perhaps the trouble with your son is getting to you, perhaps subconsciously you are bothered by the thought of your son being homeless and in trouble.

I have a similar situation, son is 27, but the freakin mind of a 15 year old, takes his frustrations out on wife and myself, we pay his rent, he is going for his masters in history to teach, but can't control or figure out his spending.

We threw him out of house when he was 21 for being too violent.

Both wife and myself are burned out from his abuse, among other abusive people at family and work, have a bit less than you in assets, but are looking to break away from everyone and everything and just live like there is no tomorrow.

So I think that perhaps what you experiencing with your son, combined with the corporate BS among other things is causing your headaches.

However, you are in my opinion in good shape to ER.

jug


Under FIRE 04-20-2006 11:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bluehero
I already own all the toys I need ( and my wife would say many more than I need),* Do I have enough, given some restraint and proper financanical management) to leave the stress of the corporate world behind?

Blue,

I myself walked away from corporate world upper mgt 10 days ago.

Thoughts of ER have been languishing in my mind these past 2-3 yrs but my point-of-inflection came in a 6.30pm high level project management meeting three mths ago involving 20 stressed-out, miserable grown men/women with nothing in common and bent on either being/looking important or in the process of launching sick pseudo-corporate cynisms against each other or, for those at the receiving end, busily deflecting these BS attacks with even bigger BS's .....* :o wow, the flashback is making me sick ......

So there I was sitting on the edge of my connolly leather chair in the wood-panelled boardroom looking out the window at the clear late afternoon sky and I began to truly wonder .... "what on earth am I doing here?" "Who are these wretched people in their ostentatious suits and skirts and cufflinks and rolexes and toupees and bad hairdos?" "Everyone in this room is obviously suffering from job stress ("sell more, sell more; build more, build more; get more, get more; .... ), sleep/s*x deprivation, hates each others' guts, have zero real interest in the issues discussed, has zero tolerance for anything and overreacts over trivial matters, and basically are destroying their very life and soul as they put up with yet another day of this ...."

While sandwiched between the SVP Sales and the Group CTO (essentially two toxic a**h****) arguing over issues of even less relevance, I did the umpteenth SWR calcs on my laptop (... yup, camouflaged by my sporadic "ah ha" and "uh umm" and "gee whizz" utterances at whatever was deliberated) and determined that I won't be living on tapioca and salted fish if I ER'd right there and then. I said "bingo," got up, excused myself, drove out of the 50 storey corp. HQ and took leave for three days.* Came back on Monday and negotiated a severance package and said adios on April 10.

Still early days, but I think this must be one of my best (... and potentially life saving) decisions I've ever made.* :)* I'm free, happy, relaxed, and the feeling of being unencumbered by other humans for the sake of a paycheck is priceless.*

Nowadays, my only memory of MegaCorp seems to be "how the heck did I tolerated the powder-keg profit-worshipping environment and those sad, sad people for soooo loooooong???" I still have access to my executive parking lot, two luxurious office suites in two different subsidiaries with secretaries and a coterie of courtiers until mid-July but (... to my own amazement) I don't miss the office or the perks or the status even one bit. I've not set foot in the building, let alone my office, since that fateful April 10. I've not even bothered to pack up my stuff. Of course, lazying in my back patio sipping pinata colada between bouts of gardening and goofing off sure beats driving 50km downtown to get to the office.

My advise: sometimes you just have to let go and traverse in semi-unchartered waters to find true happiness and peace of mind. And your million plus portfolio should make this process easier than the majority out there.

Good luck.






* *

Nords 04-21-2006 12:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Under FIRE
I myself walked away from corporate world upper mgt 10 days ago.

Looks like a "Best Of..." post to me!

wabmester 04-21-2006 12:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords
Looks like a "Best Of..." post to me!

Seconded!

FWIW, I made my ER decision in the spring and arranged my exit for June of that fateful year. It was looking out the window that did it for me, too. Nothing lets you feel the full weight of the BS bucket like a beautful spring day.

astromeria 04-21-2006 06:56 AM

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Wow! Awesome post. Wonder why the a**h***s never have an epiphany and quit?!

ESRBob 04-21-2006 07:35 AM

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Under Fire --
This is literature! I especially loved the part about doing the calcs under the table and literally getting up and leaving the toxic waste dump in mid-meeting. Priceless.!

Welcome to the Board -- we're the Survivors, btw. In the game of life, the people who _leave_ the island are the winners... ;D

TromboneAl 04-21-2006 08:46 AM

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BlueHero,

Know that if you want to, you can retire right now. Just knowing that should help the stress a little, right?

I'd go further and say that with your budding anti-consumerism feelings, you could reduce your living expenses, and retire with no worries. Perhaps the alternative is a heart attack.

So, I'd say... let's see, what are the words I'm looking for? Oh yeah: Groovy, man, go for it.

TromboneAl 04-21-2006 09:02 AM

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P.S. Nice studio, like the HooDoo tracks. Sounds like you have things to keep you busy and happy in retirement. Do you know Dave Fleschner?

bluehero 04-21-2006 10:39 PM

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Under fire - Wow! can I relate to

"a 6.30pm high level project management meeting three mths ago involving 20 stressed-out, miserable grown men/women with nothing in common and bent on either being/looking important or in the process of launching sick pseudo-corporate cynisms against each other or, for those at the receiving end, busily deflecting these BS attacks with even bigger BS's ...."

The combination of the stress of the issue with my son, while less than they were a year ago, and the stressess at work are just pushing me over the edge. I can;t handle hte daily headaches anymore (did I mention thta they compeltly disappeared during my 3 month sabatical I took last summer?)

I am going to spend the weekend composing my retirement letter. I have June 6th as a target date I find date of the liberation of Europe from tyrany to have an appealing parrallel. (and I have a large bonus tied to me being an employee on June 1 :-)

I want to thank everyone for ht esupport you've show in helping me clarify my feelings and make a decision that I knew had to be made.

TromboneAl- It's a whole lot nicer now. I havn't had time to update the site in a long time. We have 3 albums in production now. They'll get done a whole lot faster when I can atcually have time to play with them :-)

Best regards,

Bob




Jane_Doe 04-22-2006 07:37 AM

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Blue Hero-

Congratulations on making the decision to ER! Sounds as thought this will be just the ticket for you. :D Can you take some time off between now and V-day? I'm thinking you have to have some earned sick or vacation days you will need to use just to keep your strength up till then (V-day)! ;D

Best of luck to you on Monday!

Jane :)

Michael Moore 04-22-2006 10:51 AM

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I had those deja vu moments in staff meetings, where you look around with a "how did I get here?" feeling. Even if the discussion was something that was actually substantitive and important in the real world, it didn't necessarily feel important to ME.

Retirement is ever so much nicer, and today marks the end of my first 8 months of it. I've no regrets about taking some financial hit in order to ER and get out with most of my faculties intact. :)

cheers,
Michael

ESRBob 04-22-2006 03:33 PM

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Blue Hero,
I am guessing you've the savvy to submit your resignation letter after June 1, right? Would hate to have your sense of fairness in giving them ample 'notice' be turned into the 'gift' of early retirement 2 weeks early. In some companies, they escort you out of the office the day you offer your resignation. Wouldn't want to let the pending bonus payment give any of your machiavellian superiors an incentive to use that particular method on you pre-June 1!

bluehero 04-23-2006 02:32 AM

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June 1 is a very common retirement date since one of the last days of May is always the last day of the fiscal year. The executive bounus plan is a very rock solid legal contract. And they could not terminate after a notification of retirement for employees under this plan for any reason other than gross misconduct or illegal activity. If they are feeling particularly vindictive, they could give me a lousy performance rating whcih would reduce the bonus percentage a few points. But I don;t see this as a real viable scenario. I intend to leave on good terms to leave open the possibility of consulting in the future. If they did, then I have a strong legal document on my side and they are not anxious about generating bad press.

In the official HR website, the company requests 6-8 weeks of notification for retirement. Which would be next week. Still soemhting to think about. Thanks!!!!

ESRBob 04-23-2006 01:54 PM

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Bluehero,
It might not be construed as a 'notice of retirement' if you are early retiring -- they might think of this category just for 65-year-olds or 30-year-with-the-company types.. WIll the executive bonus still be paid to you if you merely terminate voluntarily (to go work at another company, for instance). This is the scenario they will most likely view your termination under, and it would be important to know you aren't going to get dinged in the pool as someone leaving who can't do anything about it. Imagine if you were going to go work for a competitor -- would they also have to pay you out on a full prorata, and especially if you were not actually employed on June 1?

I am not trying to make you paranoid, but based on the nimwits you work with, I wouldn't put anything past them. "Your" bonus could quickly be turned into 'more for us' in the minds of this type of person.

Still your need to give notice and keep good relations is such that I understand the issue and you may end up needing to consider something like giving notice June 1 and working part time/using up some vacation etc over the ensuing weeks/ negotiating a July 1 exit -- that sort of thing. After all, to keep them all happy, you'll be needing to start recruiting/training a replacement etc. which can take time.

It may all seem like a drag to keep this thing strung out an extra six weeks or whatever, but once you've mentally made the decision to leave, taken some personal days and vaca/sick days in May, and started to breathe the air of freedom, you may find it isn't so bad to keep puttering away through those final weeks. Anyway, good luck with your logistics! You are ER-bound and that is the bottom line...

(PS: beware the lunch date in May where your boss's boss and his/her boss take you out to lunch and try to jolly you back into a new, interesting, guaranteed-BS-free position overseeing your old boss or in some other interesting part of the company... it's been known to happen...)

bluehero 04-24-2006 12:40 AM

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I really don't expect them to get nasty. In fact, I actually hold a few cards that I may be able to negotiate an even more lucrative departure package. I am the Senior Manager of Quantitative Methods & Decision Support for Global Operations. I am responsible for global operaitons analysis and performance assessment. My professional degrees are in Decsision Sciences and Statistics. I have developed many operations analysis and forecasting models that are far more sophisticated than the Executive Management can understand(they involve real math & statistics :-). They work very well and my reports are very heavily relied on in the boardroom.

I have a small staff of 2 analysts who by the fickle finger of fate are also leaving the company this month due to spouses getting better jobs out of state. As soon as I found out I have been actively recruiting at local Universities (which is how I inadvertantly lined up the adjunct teaching position for this fall). We landed 2 very good prospects, a BS Operations Management and an MBA. One is starting in 3 weeks the other in mid June. While both are top of class candidates with great potential, neither has the technical background to fully understand the methodologies nor do they have the experience to interpret the results or provide any meaningful analysis(until trained)

I didn;t plan for this happen, I expected to turn the reins over to the existing analysts who would have been able to hold the ship on course until a replacement manager was found. However, with the new scenaerio me leaving on June 6 would be a very bad thing from the companies point of view. Especially since the transition between fiscal years is always complicated.

If I wait until June to inform them, it could easily be percevied as an attempt to scr*w them. If I tell them now, I might be able to create more of a win-win atmosphere and negotiate an additional severence package to hang around part time to train the new troops.

Comments?





REWahoo 04-24-2006 05:30 AM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bluehero
I really don't expect them to get nasty. In fact, I actually hold a few cards that I may be able to negotiate an even more lucrative departure package...

...If I wait until June to inform them, it could easily be percevied as an attempt to scr*w them. If I tell them now, I might be able to create more of a win-win atmosphere and negotiate an additional severence package to hang around part time to train the new troops.

blue,

I was in a very similar situation when I pulled the ripcord last year, timing my retirement for the first of May due to bonus and stock option payouts. I wrestled with the notification issue, and decided to give several months advance warning, telling the company of my plans in late December. It turned out fine for me, as I was able to do what you mentioned above, agreeing to help with the transition to my replacement and parting on good terms with all.

However, every situation is different and unique. ESRBob's cautionary words are wise ones, but only you know the hearts and minds of those in a position to do you harm...or good.

Best of luck with your decision.

ESRBob 04-24-2006 09:48 PM

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Blue,
I think you're in the catbird seat -- you are doing something highly technical and needed by senior mgmt, and your two supporting players are leaving/have just left.

I don't think they'll get funny with you.

I came out of the ranks of management and finance where everybody always knew how to do your job better than you did, and everyone was 'disposable'.

Nobody is going to escort you out of the office with the security guard saying 'we'll send your stuff after the movers put it all in boxes'. (This never happened to me, but was the norm for certain types of jobs on Wall Street for many years -- may still be).

I agree that springing a rapid resignation on them would be bad. I would steel yourself, though, for the fact that they'll try to talk you out of ER. They need you pretty badly right now. They are about to find out how badly, and so are you! Have fun with this one! 8)

bluehero 04-29-2006 02:07 AM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
OK, I've finally finished the retirement letter with a last day of June 1 and I am planning on turning it in on Monday. I fully expect them to have a cow and say I can't leave at least until the new college hires are fully trained to run the system. Since the methods and proceedures are all fully documented (good old ISO 9000 for you) I feel no moral obligation to stay and train the new troops.

However, as we all know there is a big differece between ISO compliant documentation and actually being able to successfully run a complex process like the analysis of operations metrics from a mutinational corp.(nothing ever goes as planned). When they do put the hard court press on, I am inclined to say my June 1 date is firm, but am open to discussing a severance package(to include more than just salary) to stay on part time for a couple of months until a new manager is recruited and the new troops have things under control.

Is this an underhanded tactic or just reality of Mega Corp business? I have a hard time seeing a downside since the worst they can do is say no and I'm free on June 1.

Comments?


dumpster56 04-30-2006 04:19 PM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bluehero
OK, I've finally finished the retirement letter with a last day of June 1 and I am planning on turning it in on Monday.* I fully expect them to have a cow and say I can't leave at least until the new college hires are fully trained to run the system.* Since the methods and proceedures are all fully documented (good old ISO 9000 for you) I feel no moral obligation to stay and train the new troops.

However, as we all know there is a big differece between ISO compliant documentation and actually being able to successfully run a complex process like the analysis of operations metrics from a mutinational corp.(nothing ever goes as planned).* When they do put the hard court press on, I am inclined to say my June 1 date is firm, but am open to discussing a severance package(to include more than just salary) to stay on part time for a couple of months until a new manager is recruited and the new troops have things under control.

Is this an underhanded tactic or just reality of Mega Corp business?* I have a hard time seeing a downside since the worst they can do is say no and I'm free on June 1.

Comments?*


Interesting blue

I want to dance on my principals desk and tell himm to shove the teaching job up his you know
I really want to quit, blue you are my hero, go for it as long as it makes financial sense, NO?

ESRBob 05-03-2006 10:34 AM

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So, Blue -- how did Monday go? Any reaction to the letter? Keep us in the loop!

BunsGettingFirm 05-03-2006 07:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wab
Seconded!

FWIW, I made my ER decision in the spring and arranged my exit for June of that fateful year. It was looking out the window that did it for me, too. Nothing lets you feel the full weight of the BS bucket like a beautful spring day.

Is that why they put us "senior" engineers in cube farms housed in windowless rooms? So that we don't see the beautiful spring days?

bluehero 05-05-2006 03:04 AM

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I actually decided to wait until next week. I had to do the exit process for both of my former analysts this week and one of the principles I need to give the retirement notice to was out of town this week. Also being a very conservative person by nature (allfiction of being a Statistician i guess) I am setting up a large line of credit to cover four consecutive years of disaster scenerios without having to access any money in tax advantaged accounts. It's an easier approval porcess still "employed". Should close early next week. June 1 is still the sailing day. I still expect them to have a cow, perhaps even a herd :laugh:

ESRBob 05-05-2006 02:38 PM

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Blue.
Good luck == looks like they're losing an entire department in one swell foop!

pass out the nitro glycerin pills when you tell them ;)

bluehero 05-10-2006 10:12 PM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Turned in my retirement letter at the end of the day to my director. No immediate reaction, kind of like a deer in the headlights, but he did go running right off to the VP. Tomorrow could be interesting.

Under FIRE 05-10-2006 11:20 PM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Blue,

Congrats.

Do keep us posted.


.

Dawg52 05-11-2006 07:05 AM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Congrats! This has been an interesting thread to follow. Good luck with your retirement.

bluehero 05-12-2006 12:17 AM

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Well, it just goes to show you that regardless of the HR BS about the importance of people, to Mega Corp you are just a headcount to be sucked dry and discarded. Before I had come in today, they had already sent a broadcast e-mail out around the world to all the senior staff announcing my retirement and praising me for my significant contributions. The e-mail listed my departure date as sometime in late June or July.

This came as a bit of a surprise to me since the retirement letter I submitted specified June 1 as my last day of work. "We'd like you to stay for an extra 6-8 weeks to train the 2 new college hires you recruited to replace your other analysts and prepare the processes for the fiscal year transition. It would really help us out"

"Gee, I gave you a formal letter of retirement yesterday stating my last day of employment would be June 1. I would be happy to discuss extending past June1. Here are 2 alternatives that could work for both of us:

1) I'll agree to work part time 16 hours a week for the next 60 days (days flexible depending on headaches) to execute the AP612 Ops Review process, continue to train Dustin, to perform the system conversion for the fiscal year 07 rollover and oversee the AP701 ops review process, and to prepare for Jay's arrival and execute his training in July. At the end of 60 days I receive a severence package for my grade and length of service as if I had been laid off. Or

2) I can perform the same services as an executive consultant, time and health conditions permitting, with appropriate compensation "

Without blinking an eye, his response was "Ok, so it's June 1 then".


It's such a warm feeling that 20 years of dedication to the company that has resulted in a significant deterioration in my health means so much to them. The first new kid shows up next week. This provides me with little motivation to spend a lot of extra time and effort in the documentation, training, and knowledge transfer processs.

10 more days, one of them is Memorial day, I might get some real bad headaches on a few other days and then I'll be free. ;D




Bailer 05-13-2006 12:34 PM

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Wow.* This sounds like the kind of behavior described in the meeting when you were calculating whether or not you could RE!* * Grrrrrrr.* *I am so glad to see that your ducks are all in order (the HELOC, the music, etc).* *


Bailer 05-13-2006 12:43 PM

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And, oh yeah....

Congrats!

ESRBob 05-13-2006 02:27 PM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Congrats, Blue;
In a year or so, the memories of corporate life will have lost their sting. We all know what you've been going through. Hang in there -- breathe deeply, take a hot bath, take the wife to see a movie or take a long walk in the woods. Pretty soon you'll have your life back! June 1st! Nothing else matters. 8)

bluehero 05-15-2006 12:00 AM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
I agree although, I am having a really hard time swallowing their response(especially the part about announcing to all the global senior managers tht I would be staying until July despite a written letter infromaing them of a June 1 date without talking to me). However, does provide direct confirmation of the increasing toxicity of the environment and an escalation of the amoral behavior that I was finding impossible to tolerate.

My next moral delema is what do I do with the college new hire that shows up tomorrow. I was bummed when I realized I actually have 14 days of work left, not 10. I was raised in a manner that developed a strong inner moral obligtion to always do the very best I can at what I do.

I frankly feel like just occupying space preforming the minimum required for the next 3 weeks and letting them fend for themselves. However, I think that's a hard introduction to working life to the new hire(who was a top BS candidate and I successfully recruited away from many other firms) to throw him in the deep end of the pool with sharks and his hands tied behind his back with weights on his feet.

My Dad surprisingly(a very conservative ex-accounting professor) said sce*w them. You don't owe the company or the new hire any thing. This is modern business and the employment context was a non-contractual "at will" relationship. They can lay you off without a moments notice, all you are doing is laying them off with 3 weeks notice.

I somehow need to get through this sinusoidal cycle of being elatated that I showed enough commitment to regaining my health and family that I finally actually did it, and being pissed at Mega Corp and feeling guilty about abandoning the incoming babe in swaddling clothes. Tommorw, I get to have the Welcome to Tektronix day with the new hire and oh by the way I'm retieing in a few weeks.

The saga continues......






tangomonster 05-15-2006 05:14 AM

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Have been enjoying your posts and feel the way you do about it all! I know I'll feel the same way about training my replacement. I think the way I'll approach it will be based on the person's attitude (how much s/he wants to learn, do they think they know it all as 30 (or under) somethings do, are they just there to collect a paycheck, how much energy are they putting into it). It's been my experience that a lot of new hires are more into establishing territory and getting together their creature comforts (which they refer to as organizing their new office) than really learning the essentials of the job and plunging in.

And I know I'll receive the exact same treatment you did when handing in my three week resignation June 12th. Will be urged to stay on to hire and train a replacement. When I try to negotiate as you did (higher hourly pay as a part-time consultant or paying me for my leave time that I will be forfeiting----I have over 400 hours and the company policy is that they'll only pay me for 160), it suddenly won't be so crucial for me to stay on!

Hopefully your last three weeks will go by quickly. You seem to be able to retain your perspective of why you're doing this and seem to have a drive to be as happy and healthy as possible (some people don't and would rather fuel their ego or pocketbook). I'm rooting for you and want to learn from you, so please keep posting....

bluehero 05-20-2006 07:12 PM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
First of my last three weeks is over, two more to go. Very strange experience after word started leaking out (The e-mail announcement they sent only went to the Global executive staff). To my peers and others in the organization I am being treating like some kind of folk hero. The executive staff are virtually ignoring me in public and treat me with subtle hostility in meetings.

When my analysts left they both were treated going away parties at fancy resaurants on the companies dime. My boss organized a "no host" (i,e, pay you own way) lunch at a local Pizza parlor for me on my last day :laugh: Do you think they're trying to send me a message?

They are kind of playing a game of chicken, they don;t want to treat me well, but they don;t want to piss me off too bad, beacuse I am walking out the door with some specialized knowledge and they are worried they might have to hire me back as a consultant to fix things.


Ed_The_Gypsy 05-20-2006 10:13 PM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
So, Tektronix is still around? Surprising, considering they missed so many trends and opportunities.

bluehero 05-21-2006 01:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed_The_Gypsy
So, Tektronix is still around? Surprising, considering they missed so many trends and opportunities.

I have been referring to my current employer as MegaCorp. It may or may not be Tektronix. I suppose I've left enough bread crumbs about Portland for a clever and persistent investigator to form that hypothesis.

You are spot on in your assessment of Tektronix's inability to capitalize on market trends and their repeatedly demonstrated skill to screw up the new markets they do pursue. They are particularly gifted at killing acquisitions. They are still around because Tek knows how to design and build Oscilloscopes like no one else in the world (incuding Agilent).

These comments could be derived from publicly available information such as 10-K's, annual reports, newspapers etc.. I may or may not have any first hand knowledge. Tektronix has had a prominent place in the local economy for 60 years and I am familiar with many technology companies in the Portland area.

Perhaps June 3 would be a better date to continue this musing.


Nords 05-21-2006 02:23 AM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bluehero
Perhaps June 3 would be a better date to continue this musing.

Ed & I were just wondering when to sell the stock short...

Leonidas 05-21-2006 09:37 AM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bluehero

My Dad surprisingly(a very conservative ex-accounting professor) said sce*w them. You don't owe the company or the new hire any thing. This is modern business and the employment context was a non-contractual "at will" relationship.

I agree with your dad.

The light of that reality hit me mid-career while talking with a former academy classmate who later went on to be the Chief of Police for nearly a decade. I made some comment about my career and he said "Screw this place. This agency doesn't care about your or me and if we die tomorrow by the next year we will be completely forgotten. It's only a career to the extent that your needs and the machine's needs coincide and everything else is about taking care of you and your family."

ESRBob 05-22-2006 10:04 AM

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Sadly, I suspect you're right.
Time was when the social contract between employer and employee meant more. It may not have been as efficient, but I think it was a lot more humane. Losing this level of partnership may also be a reason so many of us here are ERd or think about ERing one day. When you treat people like disposable pieces of a machine, they wear out (we call it burnout) and, if they can swing it, move on to something that has more sustainable meaning for them.

bluehero 06-03-2006 04:13 AM

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Well, I made the leap of faith and today was my last day. Came in late, turned in my badge, and flamed the HR rep at my exit interview. Boy did that feel good ;D Actually I was quite well behaved, objective and honest. I assumed that since they were asking me all these questions they wanted real answers. I then delivered letters to the CEO and CFO stating several observations and concerns about certain aspects of operations. No whinning, just very carefully written statement of facts. I doubt they will take any action, but you never know.

I then went around to say goodbye to a few people and left. The balance of the day was magnificent especially when I reaized I don't have to go fishing tomorrow when it's raining, I can wait until Monday when it's going to be sunny!!!!!!!!

I am still so stunned it's 3 AM and I am too excited to sleep. Plenty of time for that later!


Donzo 06-03-2006 06:51 AM

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Outstanding Blue hero! It has been intersting to read your saga. It seems like all megacorps are getting more intense-my company sure has. Several of my old college buddies and I got together recently and the feedback that I received from them was the same - work harder w/ less compensation/perks and recognition.

CONGRATULATIONS! Life has restarted for you, detox, rest and enjoy!!!
Reading this forum has really made me reconsider my plan to wait until year-end to retire........I may have a new post in the near future as well!
Thanks for sharing your exit story -

Ed_The_Gypsy 06-03-2006 06:59 AM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Yo, Blue,

Quote:

Actually I was quite well behaved, objective and honest.
Glad you went out with class. You will fell better about it forever. Honest.

Ed

Leonidas 06-03-2006 07:26 AM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Oh it's a beautiful thing isn't it?

It's so cool when you come to realize that there really is life after work and the world keeps on spinning and everything.

Welcome to the club!


laurence 06-03-2006 09:09 AM

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Congratulations on finding the exit to Socrates' Cave. :)

Gumby 06-03-2006 09:51 AM

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..

laurence 06-03-2006 01:37 PM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
I thought Plato wrote down what Socrates said. I definitely could be wrong. I admit I never look up anything before I post, just pulling as best I can from memory! ???

bluehero 06-03-2006 01:44 PM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
By the way, for those of you who were interested, my former employer was in fact Tektronix.

KB 06-03-2006 08:21 PM

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Bluehero

Enjoy the next phase of your life ..

cute fuzzy bunny 06-03-2006 09:12 PM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Congratulations and welcome to the ranks of the woefully underemployed!

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluehero
I doubt they will take any action, but you never know.

Based on the senior management I know, it'll take until their second drink after work to forget about it, decide its just sour grapes, or rationalize it away.

Any which way...it doesnt matter anymore! Woo hoo!

Under FIRE 06-03-2006 10:33 PM

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Blue,

You've made it my friend. Congrats and good riddance to Tektoxics ....

Take time to decompress, resist the temptation to peek into the deep dark cesspool of your old w*rk silo, recalibrate your life bearings, regain your true inner soul and enjoy life a day at a time.

Once you're immersed in your myriad of new activities, your previous life at Tektoxics would be but an obscure memory, hitherto key w*rkplace people will dissipate from your consciousness faster than you think. *After a while, the whole Tektoxics gang and saga would just be an irritating footnote in your life journey .... not worthy of your time or attention.

Recently, I bumped into a hot shot Class 1 toxic-spewing axxhxle from the old MegaCorp. I was amazed that this pathetic blob of decomposing biomass wasted many years of my life on issues of zero significance to this planet. I had this feeling of bittersweet rage and sadness tinged with incredulity (...you know, the Mona Lisa constipated expression) to the grim realisation that this perverse mutation of primate evolution somehow played a role in distracting me from many of life's simple pursuits and pleasures over the years. This person scurried away into oblivion before I could coil my torso to launch a nice drop kick to the soft breadbasket. *:o

Sadly, this lost soul and its kind will continue to spew and digest their own BS slurry to the still captive j*bslaves at the old MegaCorp gulag for some time.

Of course, the toil and drudgery will ultimately end for everyone either by disciplined self-planning and design (like many of us here) or via the decisions and machinations of others (downsizing, insolvency, etc.). * *

Anyway, I salute you.

Good luck and much happiness in your exciting new life experience. *;)




bluehero 06-04-2006 07:16 AM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Under FIRE
I was amazed that this pathetic blob of decomposing biomass wasted many years of my life on issues of zero significance to this planet.

I didn't realize you knew my old manager :laugh:

Seriously folks, I do want to thank EVERYONE in this forum for helping set me free. Through intelligent playful banter and genuine concern, this community has helped turn me from a timid lurker into a bold man of action!!!! And subsequently a man of inaction (at least during the detox period ;D).

I found ESRBob's book and commentary to be especially useful in confirming that I had done an adeqate job of planning and risk management. For those who haven't read it, it's an easy read that is neither preachy nor overly technical. It clearly presents all the issues(positive and negative) in a organized and objective manner and let's you decide if you're ready.

Boy was I ready! I volentarily got up @ 5:00 this morning just so I could see the sunrise and hear the birds chirp. That's just toooooo wierd!!!

Thanks!!!!!!

REWahoo 06-04-2006 07:31 AM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bluehero
Boy was I ready! I volentarily got up @ 5:00 this morning just so I could see the sunrise and hear the birds chirp. That's just toooooo wierd!!!

Naaahhh, that's not wierd. Just one of the symptoms of early stage ER! It's commonly referred to as "excited to be alive!" ;)


dory36 06-04-2006 07:44 AM

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The next phase of ER is when you no longer bother looking at Dilbert strips, as they are now totally irrelevant!

Congrats!

AltaRed 06-04-2006 10:12 AM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dory36
The next phase of ER is when you no longer bother looking at Dilbert strips, as they are now totally irrelevant!

Congrats!

Why? They are even more amusing (in a perverted sense) than they were when I was working.

dory36 06-04-2006 10:50 AM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Maybe it was just me. About a year after I left, seeing Dilbert strips was about as interesting as conversations on finding a better job. :P A few years later they became fun again.

REWahoo 06-04-2006 01:09 PM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dory36
Maybe it was just me. About a year after I left, seeing Dilbert strips was about as interesting as conversations on finding a better job. :P A few years later they became fun again.

I'm a year into retirement and Dilbert is still humorous at times. On the other hand, the TV show "The Office" is like watching people get tortured. Not only is it not funny, it's downright painful to watch. :P


Nords 06-04-2006 08:08 PM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by REWahoo!
I'm a year into retirement and Dilbert is still humorous at times.* On the other hand, the TV show "The Office" is like watching people get tortured.* Not only is it not funny, it's downright painful to watch. :P

The most fun of all is e-mailing the first to your (working) spouse and tape-recording the second for her to watch at the end of the workday...

dory36 06-04-2006 08:23 PM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords
Quote:

Originally Posted by REWahoo!
I'm a year into retirement and Dilbert is still humorous at times.* On the other hand, the TV show "The Office" is like watching people get tortured.* Not only is it not funny, it's downright painful to watch. :P

The most fun of all is e-mailing the first to your (working) spouse and tape-recording the second for her to watch at the end of the workday...

Divorce is rough on the ER plans...

Nords 06-05-2006 07:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dory36
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords
Quote:

Originally Posted by REWahoo!
I'm a year into retirement and Dilbert is still humorous at times.* On the other hand, the TV show "The Office" is like watching people get tortured.* Not only is it not funny, it's downright painful to watch. :P

The most fun of all is e-mailing the first to your (working) spouse and tape-recording the second for her to watch at the end of the workday...

Divorce is rough on the ER plans...

The heck with divorce, homicide is even rougher!

dory36 06-05-2006 07:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dory36
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords
Quote:

Originally Posted by dory36
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Originally Posted by Nords
Quote:

Originally Posted by REWahoo!
I'm a year into retirement and Dilbert is still humorous at times.* On the other hand, the TV show "The Office" is like watching people get tortured.* Not only is it not funny, it's downright painful to watch. :P

The most fun of all is e-mailing the first to your (working) spouse and tape-recording the second for her to watch at the end of the workday...

Divorce is rough on the ER plans...

The heck with divorce, homicide is even rougher!

I'm trapped inside a nested quote, and all passages look alike...


cute fuzzy bunny 06-05-2006 11:09 AM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
You're in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.

You're in a maze of twisty little passages, all different.

Plugh.

Xyzzy.

isnt it amazing the dumb crap that remains in your brain for years after its no longer very useful?

M. Kaleko 06-05-2006 12:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dory36
Quote:

Originally Posted by dory36
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords
Quote:

Originally Posted by dory36
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords
Quote:

Originally Posted by REWahoo!
I'm a year into retirement and Dilbert is still humorous at times.* On the other hand, the TV show "The Office" is like watching people get tortured.* Not only is it not funny, it's downright painful to watch. :P

The most fun of all is e-mailing the first to your (working) spouse and tape-recording the second for her to watch at the end of the workday...

Divorce is rough on the ER plans...

The heck with divorce, homicide is even rougher!

I'm trapped inside a nested quote, and all passages look alike...


I tried to get out of a quote box the other day. It didn't work. Heelp

Nords 06-05-2006 03:59 PM

Re: Suffering from Burnout - Can I FIRE?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cute Fuzzy Bunny
isnt it amazing the dumb crap that remains in your brain for years after its no longer very useful?

Only the stuff left over from an entire career, including at least two nuclear power plant systems that no longer exist...

... but someday someone somewhere will ask me how to bias their magnetic amplifier, and I'll smile.


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