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Donzo 01-09-2007 05:25 PM

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I did alot of shooting(w/o ear protection) and listening to loud music as a youngster - I still have excellent hearing..but am becoming more and more aware of a "ringing" high pitched background consistant sound(tinnitis(sp?)). Often during the day I do not notice it- but at night when I lay down to sleep or read - it is there.
I am very careful w/ my hearing now - always wearing ear protection even when mowing the yard etc.

Will this "ringing" get worse? Is there a treatment? Sometimes I find it very annoying - whats a guy to do?!

Brat 01-09-2007 05:37 PM

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That is a condition called tinitus.

https://healing.about.com/cs/conditions/a/tinnitus.htm

DW 01-09-2007 05:50 PM

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I've had a couple of bouts of this. I don't know the cause, but it's maddening. Like you, my hearing was damaged by shooting without hearing protection when I was young. (In my generation, the average draftee lost so much hearing during basic training that they probably couldn't pass their draft physical again - if re-takes were allowed.)

I talked to my doctor, did quite a bit of reading on the subject, but found a myriad of possible causes...with no useful treatment except the suggestion that it can be exacerbated by over-dosing on caffeine. I cut way back, and the ringing abated. Cause or coincidence?

TromboneAl 01-09-2007 06:03 PM

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I've had this for years. Very high pitched, with several different frequencies. Could be from rock band I was in as a teenager or something else. I distinctly remember as a kid of about 9, concluding that the world wasn't quiet, but had a background ringing -- so maybe I had it then, too.

I've got this advice that may sound flip, but is based on my years of experience with it:

Don't let it bother you.

May be easier said than done, but for me, even though, when I think about it or pay attention to it, it is very prominent and annoying, it doesn't interfere with my hearing in any way. In fact, I have super good hearing -- too good because I'm always noticing sounds that no one else hears (like my electric shaver charging).

I went through a time when it bothered me and I worried about it, but now I coexist fine with it.

One ENT doc told me it would get better as I aged, because I'd lose sensitivity to high frequencies. I don't buy it (and haven't noticed any change), since I think the problem is downstream of the area of the auditory system that deteriorates.

I also have this phenomenon, which may be related: Every once in a while (say every month or so) the tinnitus stops for about 1 second, followed by a loud ringing that gradually declines over the next minute or so. I figure that this is a single hair cell (in the cochlea) dying. In any case, I worried that one of these louder whines would be permanent, but that hasn't been the case.


Rich_by_the_Bay 01-09-2007 06:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Donzo
Will this "ringing" get worse? Is there a treatment? Sometimes I find it very annoying - whats a guy to do?!

It's "tinnitus," which refers only to the symptom, not the cause. Noise exposure is the likely culprit and while ear protection now is a good idea, it is cumulative damage over a lifetime. Because there are so many other causes, it is worth getting checked out at least once by an ENT doctor. Anything from tumors (rare), Meniere's disease, infections, vascular problems, and even aspirin in higher doses can cause it. Most cases are just due to age and/or noise exposure.

Assuming everything else checks out...

- Cochlear implants for patients with severe cases with nerve-damage hearing loss can help

- Medical regimens are not very effective

- special techniques for retraining"masking, biofeedback help some suffers when it's severe

- Herbal remedies, vitamins, acupuncture, etc. are not better than placebo.

If it were me and no serious cause was found, I would probably do nothing other than future ear protection until symptoms got pretty severe or hearing loss progressed.

Hope that helps. If you're really enthusiastic, this site is interesting.


HFWR 01-09-2007 06:31 PM

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What.... :P

Too many Marshall amps on 11... :dead:

rs0460a 01-09-2007 07:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TromboneAl
I went through a time when it bothered me and I worried about it, but now I coexist fine with it.

Oh - you've been married a long time, also ;D ?

- Ron

Donzo 01-09-2007 08:06 PM

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Thanks for the replies and links. I have the subtle high pitched tones w/ 2 or three frequencies. It was interesting - the link supplied by Doc Rich had an example of "ringing in the ears" the sound went right to my left ear and amplified. I had never really noticed that my left ear has this condition much more than my right.
I drink alot of coffee - I am going to cut back and see if there is a change.
I had never discussed this with my DW - turns out she like 50 million other Americans has it also.
T-Al - I will not let it bother me as you suggest. I have had it for years...but never had the time to think about it - I remember years ago wondering if it was because of the stress/travel etc that I endured during employment. Now that I am stress free most of the time - I can "listen" to my body.
HFWR - yeah - had a Marshall amp - often at 10......would have been 11 had there been one!
I also shot alot of skeet w/ my Uncle - 12 gauge - no ear protection...what were we thinking?!

donheff 01-09-2007 08:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TromboneAl
I've got this advice that may sound flip, but is based on my years of experience with it:

Don't let it bother you.

May be easier said than done, but for me, even though, when I think about it or pay attention to it, it is very prominent and annoying, it doesn't interfere with my hearing in any way.

What T-Al said. I hadn't noticed it all day until I read this post. As I write this it is ringing away. As soon as I get involved in something else it recedes into the background until I don't notice it. It is definitely prominent enough that it *could* become a major annoyance but I really think the attitude that it won't bother you if you ignore it works.

Brat 01-09-2007 10:07 PM

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Like elevator music for the brain...

Nords 01-09-2007 10:10 PM

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Geez, this thread has been a real ear-opener, especially you Al. You guys shouldn't beat yourselves up so badly for flunking your hearing-conservation programs. That might not be the cause.

I've worn hearing protection for most of my professional life-- foam earplugs 6-8 hours out of just about every 24 for all my years of sea duty, custom-fitted rubber plugs later on, and a few tough days with both plugs & a headset. My hearing is far more acute than most 46-year-olds (although I don't listen very well) and I've rarely been exposed to acute noise levels.

Yet I hear tinnitus too. I thought everyone heard it. It's always there in the background, except during very quiet nights when I wake up and it's fading out. Other times it "beeps" in my ears like the audiogram that puts various freqs in your ears through headphones in a sound-dampened booth.

It's been there as long as I can remember, and I thought everyone had/has it. It's happening now, although most of the time I have to concentrate on it to be aware of it.

So here's another weird symptom. Sometimes when I awake in the middle of the night, I start up deaf and can actually feel my hearing turn on. It doesn't happen very often but it's a definite startup. It only takes a second or two, it happens to both ears simultaneously, and it's like turning up the headphone volume to be able to hear the background noise. It's like waking up suddenly and having to consciously focus your eyes to see.

Eh, it's probably psychological...

Gonzo 01-10-2007 08:46 AM

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I have ringing in my ears also when it's quite or lay down to sleep. I started to notice this after I had open heart surgery... Neurology Doctor said it happens... nothing to be done.

Gonzo

Rich_by_the_Bay 01-10-2007 09:09 AM

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For perspective, be aware that tinnitus is not the same from person to person. Most with mild symptoms would do best just to tolerate it -- if you have to pay attention carefully to even know if it is present, you probably have a mild case.

But there are some for whom it is very "loud" and / or interferes with hearing or sanity, so to speak. It becomes almost impossible to ignore, and thus a real disability.

So it's hard to generalize.

donheff 01-10-2007 09:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords
It's been there as long as I can remember, and I thought everyone had/has it. It's happening now, although most of the time I have to concentrate on it to be aware of it.

Eh, it's probably psychological...

Sorry to break it to you Nords but you don't have what the rest of us do. What you are describing are auditory hallucinations - a sign of psychosis. The up side is there are lots of good meds these days. :laugh:

Sheryl 01-10-2007 09:21 AM

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My (business) partner has quite a bad case of tinitus. It is so loud he has trouble hearing normal conversations around him (or directed at him). It also keeps him awake or wakes him up at night. Over the past 3-4 years it has morphed from annoyance to disability.

Just last week he went down to consult a specialist in Portland. I haven't heard the results, but will let you know.

He's 50-something now, and attended many rock concerts in his earlier days.

LeatherneckPA 01-10-2007 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by donheff
Sorry to break it to you Nords but you don't have what the rest of us do. What you are describing are auditory hallucinations - a sign of psychosis. The up side is there are lots of good meds these days. :laugh:

That's one of the things I LOVE about this board, people are so "supportive". :laugh:

rs0460a 01-10-2007 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredbop
That's one of the things I LOVE about this board, people are so "supportive". :laugh:

We're not prejudiced. We treat everybody equally (little/no respect ::) )...

- Ron

TromboneAl 01-10-2007 11:24 AM

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Quote:

So here's another weird symptom. Sometimes when I awake in the middle of the night, I start up deaf and can actually feel my hearing turn on. It doesn't happen very often but it's a definite startup. It only takes a second or two, it happens to both ears simultaneously, and it's like turning up the headphone volume to be able to hear the background noise. It's like waking up suddenly and having to consciously focus your eyes to see.
I think this is a normal thing related to being asleep vs. being awake. Based on personal experience (and not from my education), the auditory system seems to shut down to some extent when you sleep.

If I'm nodding off in a noisy environment, and I'm in that "in between" state, I sometimes notice the background noise click on an off, like a radio with a bad connection on the speaker.

And when I wake up, noticing sounds is a clear indication that I'm awake for good.

lazygood4nothinbum 01-10-2007 07:42 PM

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it's happening to me but not to you so there must be something wrong. seems something's there but we can't find a cause. so we can either wear aluminum hats or just call it tinitus and put in for government grants.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords
So here's another weird symptom. Sometimes when I awake in the middle of the night, I start up deaf and can actually feel my hearing turn on. It doesn't happen very often but it's a definite startup. It only takes a second or two, it happens to both ears simultaneously, and it's like turning up the headphone volume to be able to hear the background noise. It's like waking up suddenly and having to consciously focus your eyes to see.

i'm sorry, i was playing with my tinitus. what did you say? it happens on waking up? on being between asleep and awake? it's like waking up your consciousness? i need to pay better attention. i get so confused with this stuff. could be you are becoming aware of your body waking up. but how can you be conscious if you're sleeping? how interesting.

the tibetan book of the dead, evans-wentz translation, offers fun reading in dealing with the bardos (the betweens). the third edition includes commentary by c.g. jung. or an easier read is the robert a.f. thurman translation.

for the more scientific minded interested in how much fun sleeping & waking can be, i'd suggest also the more contemporary sleeping, dreaming & dying (sort of by) the dalai lama (but actually) edited by francisco varela.

"he who looks outside dreams....he who looks inside wakes'' ~~ c.g. jung

mmg2681 01-11-2007 06:30 AM

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Mine started when I was a little younger, but got worse now that I am older.
I notice mine is when my blood pressure is high.
And yes, there have been many nights that it is so loud, I have a hard time falling asleep (it takes 10 minutes to fall asleep versus 2!).

~M

BUM 01-11-2007 08:21 AM

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I have had this problem for the last 20 years and its getting harder to ignore:

70's Very loud music
80's Handgunning
90's Ever increasing ringing
0X's Hearing loss complicated by allergies and sinus problems

Bought cheapie hearing aids thru eBay for those must-hear-perfectly situations. ENT says sinus surgery might help. Hearing loss is moderate. Music I've listened for years now sounds different :-\ The girl with kalidescope eyes now sounds like a girl with colitis goes by...


Nords 01-11-2007 10:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by donheff
Sorry to break it to you Nords but you don't have what the rest of us do. What you are describing are auditory hallucinations - a sign of psychosis. The up side is there are lots of good meds these days. :laugh:

I asked my spouse if I was exhibiting signs of psychosis and she wanted to know how she'd be able to tell...

... as for the meds, it reminds me of David Lee Roth's philosophical wisdom: "I used to have a drug problem but now I make enough money to afford them."

lazygood4nothinbum 01-11-2007 11:11 AM

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if tinnitus is always a medical condition, then why is it that someone who has never experienced it before can meditate concentrate on their hearing and initiate tinnitus? (warning: if you try this know that you might not be able to turn it off again.)

i think it's just too many wireless devices.

Eagle43 01-11-2007 01:40 PM

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I've had this condition for thirty years or so. I believe it came from aircraft noise like that loud F-4 taking off for Hanoi every hour on the hour just across the street from my tent. Anyway, it started in the early 70s. It's only in one ear, and does vary in volume occasionally. I have learned to ignore it, except when it's mentioned. So I shall disregard this thread.

Sheryl 01-11-2007 04:39 PM

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Report from my partner's doctor visit. Is loss is in the high-frequency range, and there is a hearing aid available that will help - for $4,000.

donheff 01-11-2007 04:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheryl
Report from my partner's doctor visit. Is loss is in the high-frequency range, and there is a hearing aid available that will help - for $4,000.

I have Resound Air hearing aids that cost in that neighborhood for the pair. I recently read an article about a version Costco is offering that sounds very similar for half that. Costco are good guys - the Ben and Jerry's of discount. I would first check them out before I would go for another ultra-high priced hearing aid.

sailor 01-12-2007 09:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheryl
Report from my partner's doctor visit. Is loss is in the high-frequency range, and there is a hearing aid available that will help - for $4,000.

If your partner is an LBYM type you can suggest to him to try first $20 hearing aid with tone tuning, maybe like this one:
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=280069483031


Retire Soon 01-12-2007 10:55 AM

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I've had the condition for 30 years. I have found the best way to deal with it is to ignore it. I consider it only a very minor inconvenience.

d 01-13-2007 05:09 PM

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Quote:

I have found the best way to deal with it is to ignore it
I have found the best way to deal with it is to ignore it pick up the phone. (very sorry!)

Donzo 01-13-2007 06:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by d
I have found the best way to deal with it is to ignore it pick up the phone. (very sorry!)

There always has to be a wise guy... :laugh:

BUM 01-15-2007 07:57 PM

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IMHO 90% of all hearing aids are simply audio amplifiers. If you can afford tousands of dollars for something that will STILL wind up in your sock drawer in a few months, go for it. Otherwise spend a few hundred bucks on a Ebay cheapie and hear what you've been missing. I did. No buyers remorse here.




SteveR 01-16-2007 04:06 PM

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Mine started a couple of years ago after a really nasty throat infection. It got into my ear and killed off some of the cochlea hair cells. I have high to mid-high frequency loss of over 50% in the same ear and a loud high frequency series of tones that is pretty much constant all day and night...it never stops.

My ENT says there is no cure and I believe him based on all the research I have done on the topic. He did suggest that sometimes the hair cells that are stuck in the "on" position can be tired out by listening to white sounds that include a wide spectrum of sound in and around the same pitch as the ear tones. I have a number CDs I have recorded on my Ipod. The sounds are like wind, serf, rain, streams, and some acustical music. I don't know how well it helps but so far is is no worse (and yes I do listen at moderate volumes).

Caffeen makes it louder. Some TV shows with a too loud backround music (most of them) all sound shrill after a short time and I have to change the channel. A fever makes it louder too. Too much aspirin, too much alcohol. Being in crowds of noisy people also make the tone more shrill. Something about the collective noise of many many people talking on cell phones etc. seems to do it.

Good luck and if you find a cure let us know.

ESRBob 01-16-2007 04:58 PM

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Had it, too, for years. It was worse when I had a bout of 'sudden deafness' ear infection brought on by some bad flight/cold combinations once on the way to Tokyo. When I think o f how my ears would ring after any high school dance or college party or rock concert now I cringe.

The hindus say it is actually the sound of the universe humming, so maybe just listen to it and see if you agree. Otherwise it is also known to drown out inconvenient yammering from spouses and young children. "Excuse me, I didn't hear you' is now my most commonly spoken sentence when I realize someone is expecting an answer from me.

Not to make light of it -- if it's really loud it can become a real pain. I did have acupuncture for it years ago and it did seem to help, but that's real anecdotal.

getoutearly 01-16-2007 07:37 PM

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LIke you, I lost some hearing through shooting, without hearing protection. I was told that the tone of ringing that you hear is the tone / pitch you no longer hear.

donheff 01-17-2007 07:44 AM

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Based on the responses here, tinitus must be universal. We should have a poll to find out how many DON'T have it.

Outtahere 01-17-2007 07:52 AM

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From the responses on this forum it seems to be something that more men than women seem to be afflicted with.

TromboneAl 01-17-2007 10:35 AM

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I wonder if some people who say they don't have it, just haven't noticed it. I can go a long time without noticing or paying attention to it, but it's always there.

spideyrdpd 01-24-2007 06:34 PM

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Of course everytime I read this thread it gets me listening to the ringing. I stop counting after about 200 concerts and many other live performances.
They do make maskers . A hearing aid that does a noise that supposedly helps cover the ringing. I have concidered it as well as a regular hearing aid for my hearing loss.
https://www.hearusa.com/hearing/index...1&sb=004&p=003

Martha 01-24-2007 08:38 PM

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I've got my issues, but I don't have ringing in the ears. :)

Donzo 01-25-2007 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Martha
I've got my issues, but I don't have ringing in the ears. :)

Do you hear voices? ;D

d 01-25-2007 03:54 PM

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as mentioned earlier: if you hear ringing, pick up the phone; but if you hear voices, there's no need to.

spideyrdpd 01-25-2007 08:43 PM

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What always gets me is days like today when the ringing is lower. Makes me wonder what I did different....
Of course I had forget it was there did I saw this thread again.


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