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ladelfina 05-08-2007 12:05 PM

NYT article on fat/diet/obesity (it's genetic and that's that)
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/health/08fat.html

What was most striking to me was that the "normal" weight (but previously overweight) subjects had metabolism measurements consistent with starvation.


Time for a cookie: I'm starving!

mykidslovedogs 05-08-2007 12:46 PM

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What an interesting article. Thanks for posting it. Being the melting pot of the world, I wonder why Americans have so much more of a problem with obesity than other countries?

Mwsinron 05-08-2007 12:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mykidslovedogs
What an interesting article. Thanks for posting it. Being the melting pot of the world, I wonder why Americans have so much more of a problem with obesity than other countries?

MY problem when I was really fat was over eating and no exercise. Now I keep a journal of what I eat and exercise every day. Problem got solved ;)

mykidslovedogs 05-08-2007 01:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mwsinron
MY problem when I was really fat was over eating and no exercise. Now I keep a journal of what I eat and exercise every day. Problem got solved ;)

Do you have the "starvation syndrome" that the article talks about?

Hmm I wonder if America is overweight because we have a bunch of "naturally thin" people that are overeating or is it just that we have more people who have a genetic tendency to be overweight?

ERD50 05-08-2007 01:22 PM

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That is an interesting article. It was not clear to me just what % of people fit that profile though.

I got serious about losing 20 # a few years back. It was actually much easier than I thought, but it required a constant awareness on my part. Drink plenty of water, eat a lot of low calorie foods throughout the day to keep from feeling hungry, and eat smaller amounts of the higher calorie stuff. Stop and taste each bite and savor it. Put your fork down and finish each bite before taking another. It's not really that hard to east less when you stop to appreciate it more. I used to wolf down 100 calories of something without even really stopping to notice how it tasted. And some exercise.

I've put most of it back on over the years. It just takes that constant attention, and I just lost some of the motivation after a while. Like they say, an extra 100 calories a day slipping by adds up over time.

-ERD50


Mwsinron 05-08-2007 01:25 PM

Re: NYT article on fat/diet/obesity (it's genetic and that's that)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mykidslovedogs
Do you have the "starvation syndrome" that the article talks about?

Hmm I wonder if America is overweight because we have a bunch of "naturally thin" people that are overeating or is it just that we have more people who have a genetic tendency to be overweight?


No I had the gluttony syndrome. Eating way too much and not exercising. On the other hand I do have a family history of obesity. Either way its controllable by me with a proper diet and exercise.

Peaceful_Warrior 05-08-2007 01:43 PM

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A mult-generational version of this study would be very interesting...

I'm particularly interested in the part which cites that the children of obese parents are more likely to be obese. It begs me to ask:

If there were two obese people (both born of obese parents) who married and then lost weight to where they were no longer considered obese, then they had children... would those children be prone to obesity or not?


W2R 05-08-2007 04:10 PM

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Weight Watchers requires a minimum food intake which depends on a number of factors but as I recall it is never less than 18 points. That would be around 900 calories, give or take a few depending on fat and fiber consumed. The patients in the study were only permitted only 600 calories.

The reason WW gives for this, is that eating fewer calories causes the body to go into "starvation mode" where the metabolic rate is lowered for some time. A WW truism is, "You have to eat to lose weight" (and keep it off).

Even if obesity is genetic, we all have the hand of cards we were dealt and that is what we have to work with. Actually, I believe there probably IS a strong genetic component, but many or most naturally thin people will never believe that, and I believe that naturally obese people should not use genetic predisposition as a reason to continue in a condition that can lead to impaired health and/or an inability to fully enjoy and participate in their lives.

OK, done preachin'. ;)

Mwsinron 05-08-2007 04:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Want2retire
Weight Watchers requires a minimum food intake which depends on a number of factors but as I recall it is never less than 18 points. That would be around 900 calories, give or take a few depending on fat and fiber consumed. The patients in the study were only permitted only 600 calories.

The reason WW gives for this, is that eating fewer calories causes the body to go into "starvation mode" where the metabolic rate is lowered for some time. A WW truism is, "You have to eat to lose weight" (and keep it off).

Even if obesity is genetic, we all have the hand of cards we were dealt and that is what we have to work with. Actually, I believe there probably IS a strong genetic component, but many or most naturally thin people will never believe that, and I believe that naturally obese people should not use genetic predisposition as a reason to continue in a condition that can lead to impaired health and/or an inability to fully enjoy and participate in their lives.

OK, done preachin'. ;)

Pretty close to how I feel about it Want2retire. I may have lousy genes but I had to get off my butt and take care of myself.

W2R 05-08-2007 04:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mwsinron
Pretty close to how I feel about it Want2retire. I may have lousy genes but I had to get off my butt and take care of myself.

Me too.

Exercise has been a big help for me at this time in my life, since I work in a cubicle environment. Ever notice how elementary school children run around outside during recess with great exuberance and joy? I think the gym can be fun, like recess for grownups. Our ancestors got a lot more physical exertion in their daily activities, since they did not have the conveniences of modern life, but now we need to look for physical activity anywhere we can find it.

Of course, exercise alone won't do it for me which is why I am so familiar with WW. ;D

loosechickens 05-08-2007 05:38 PM

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well, I certainly have the genetic component. My father was really heavy, and all four of his sisters were as well. Several of them topped 400 pounds. And I look just like my father's side of the family (except I've kept my weight relatively under control).

I've had to struggle my whole life to keep my weight under control. I'm not majorly obese as they were, but I'm certainly not thin. Only the kind of food I eat and the exercise I get keeps me from looking just like them.

I eat mostly organic, very little meat, all whole grains, virtually no refined sugars, no processed food, and get regular exercise, walking 3-4 miles a day almost every day. I haven't set foot into a fast food restaurant in many years. If I ate the standard American diet, I'd be a tub.

I'm like a quarter horse/Arab cross mare we used to have. She stayed round and healthy looking on a quarter of the feed our other horses needed.

There really is a huge difference in caloric needs between people. My husband and I weigh nearly the same amount, yet he eats close to twice what I eat. Not fair, but it's what I've had to live with my whole life. I'm an "easy keeper", and if times get tough, I'll be the last one whose ribs show, because I'm the product of many generations of northern European peasants who made it through tough winters.

I've kind of gotten where I celebrate that. If I don't, it's like condeming my vehicle because it gets a too high gas mileage. I just have a really efficient body.

LooseChickens

Khan 05-08-2007 06:22 PM

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Obesity (at least for me, and I have seen mentions of this in articles) was largely a result of stress.

Comfort foods (salty/greasy)
Emotional eating
Mindless eating
"I deserve this" eating

For the first six months after retiring I was still eating not so great and I lost 10 pounds. I noticed this and started researching nutrition. Now the pounds and inches keep slowly but surely coming off.

I have to be careful or I get positively evangelical on this issue.

Big hint: small plates.

haha 05-08-2007 06:50 PM

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Congratulations to everyone who has become thinner and stayed that way.

I have always been lean, but I don't know if this is because of what I eat and how I act in my life, or just genes. I know I don't want to tempt fate to find out!

ha

TromboneAl 05-08-2007 06:51 PM

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The research seems sound, but if that's true, answer this:

Why are people fatter today than they were 20 years ago? Their genes have not changed.

OKLibrarian 05-08-2007 07:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TromboneAl
The research seems sound, but if that's true, answer this:

Why are people fatter today than they were 20 years ago? Their genes have not changed.

20 years ago all american poor could afford was a bare subsistance diet.

Today they can afford/have access to junk food--often even cheaper and more available than good food.

Watch Supersize Me sometime, to see what I mean. When I worked the welfare office there were a half-dozen fast food joints/mini-marts within a block of the front doors--the nearest supermarket was 5 miles away (and when you don't have a car, a 10 mile round trip is a big deal)

Linney 05-08-2007 07:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Khan
Obesity (at least for me, and I have seen mentions of this in articles) was largely a result of stress.

Another stress eater here! Last summer I had 5 weeks off -- ate 'normally', didn't feel hungry and didn't gain any weight. Within a month of returning to work, I put on 5 pounds !!

My family didn't have a lot of money when I grew up. We ate simply -- no fast food. In high school I felt 'fat' whenever I was 5-10 pounds overweight. Gained 50+ pounds in the late 90's/early 00's due to severe stress, then finally dropped all the excess weight a couple of years ago. Food is so easily available these days! I have to pay attention to my diet and exercise all the time but do not feel like I am starving. Fortunately I was a pretty skinny kid so --- per the article --- I should be able to maintain my weight loss.

donheff 05-09-2007 05:54 AM

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This is basically the "Set Point" theory that was discussed quite a bit about 20 years ago. It certainly fits my experience. I was always a skinny kid - my brother and I drank Weight On in high school to beef up for sports (or maybe in a vain attempt to get laid) :-\ As I aged I very slowly and steadily gained weight, but not a lot. After about 50 the gain seemed to just stop. In the meantime, it never seems to matter what or how much I eat.

In retrospect I am surprised these studies didn't come up in that acrimonious thread a year or so ago where a number of mean spirited naturally skinny posters blamed the overweight people for their condition. It would be interesting to see what arguments the naturally thin people would muster if they found themselves living in a society that abhorred slim people.

janeeyre 05-09-2007 07:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OKLibrarian
20 years ago all american poor could afford was a bare subsistance diet.

Today they can afford/have access to junk food--often even cheaper and more available than good food.

Watch Supersize Me sometime, to see what I mean. When I worked the welfare office there were a half-dozen fast food joints/mini-marts within a block of the front doors--the nearest supermarket was 5 miles away (and when you don't have a car, a 10 mile round trip is a big deal)

Absolutely, I agree. I don't think it is that complicated. People are eating too much and not exercising enough. Child obesity is out of control and I believe the lack of exercise is more of a culprit than junk food. As children, we were outside all day running, climbing, jumping, riding bikes, etc. I rarely see that today. Of course, parents will say that they are running children to soccer, basketball, etc. and that is true. However, it is not the sustained play of your youth and mine.

Sarah in SC 05-09-2007 07:15 AM

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Gawd, I don't know if that article should depress me or not! ;D

I think there are certainly people who are obese, whose parents are obese, and can't effect much change in their lives. But in my (mom's side) family, my grandparents were/are very slim people but all 4 of their daughters, my mom included, have struggled with weight. Now 3 sisters are obese & 1 is normal weight. Their brother is normal weight.

I called the doctor's office a week ago, to find out a bit more about my weight history, as I was always a skinny kid, and put on weight starting in my 20s. I discovered that I weighed 130 lbs at 20, and 158 lbs at 23. (!) Yikes! Talk about adding some calories!

So I'd like to think that the changes I've made in the past year, the trainer, the gym rat lifestyle, the nutritional revolution, food diary and calorie counting will be with me for a good while. But I don't know if my genetics are "wit me or agin me". I think I might try to get that book from the library that the article was based on. Sounds very interesting.

Sarah

Zipper 05-09-2007 07:49 AM

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I wonder how many fat people were walking around in 1907?

TromboneAl 05-09-2007 08:57 AM

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Quote:

Today they can afford/have access to junk food--often even cheaper and more available than good food.
I agree with you, however the study clearly shows that that doesn't make a difference. For example, twins raised apart weighed the same even if one had more access to junk food.

The study suggested that there was a 20 pound range that each person is predelicted to stay within. Perhaps that 20 pound range can account for the increase in obesity???

Quote:

a number of mean spirited naturally skinny posters
They're not mean spirited. They're just bitchy cause they're hungry. ;)

Robert the Red 05-09-2007 09:43 AM

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The thing that interests me is the increasing number of grossly fat people -- morbidly obese, in the medical lingo. The humungo-Americans we've all seen. "Obese", as used in medical articles, just means "somewhat fat" in every day usage. Thirty pounds overweight is "obese" technically, but not in casual chat.

On my recent China trip, I saw plenty of overweight Chinese (another sign of the growing middle class!), but only one humungo-Chinese -- and he was at the low end of the humungo-scale. And the Chinese eat a lot of oil in their diet, at least to judge by the restaurants we went to. But American-style junk food cost there about what it costs here, which means it is 10 times as expensive relative to their incomes.

My personal theory on the rise of humungo-Americans is too much junk food as small kids (under 5) -- potato chips, etc -- predisposing the body for fatness later. But this is probably wrong, and probably already proven wrong to boot.

ladelfina 05-09-2007 10:34 AM

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In 1907?
Soon-to-be-president Taft, I believe. A person of (physical) substance such as he would be unelectable today from whatever party even if he/she gave cars away like Oprah. I see a lot of vitriol aimed Gore's way for his middle-aged spread for some odd reason.. Puritan hold-overs, to my mind...

My mom's family was pretty thin and very Yankee Brahmin. They never ate much 'cause the food they cooked was so G-D- awful you can't imagine! They ate just to survive (Grumpy Old Man: "and they LIKED it that way!"). Anything not grey and overcooked was deemed an exaggeration whether of taste (think completely petrified meat, chicken and fish) or of nutrition (vegetables suspect upon retention of original color). Spices were salt, limited powder-fine pepper ancient and tasteless after 10 or 20 years over the stove (hey! you only need to purchase one container per household per lifetime.. why "waste"?), and woohhooo for real pizzazz- celery salt! A salad was something French people ate. ;)

I take after my chubby Irish Grandma who ate butter by the chunk and lived into her mid-80s (here's hopin' 'cause I don't really feel like trying to reach three digits).


In China? The Buddha. ;) :)

Maybe there are more fat/fattish people today because their genes won out? It's also curious when you look at current Native American populations and the Inuit they are fairly chubby.. could be that a long history of very hard-scrabble living perhaps caused their bodies to become more efficient with time?

And yes, the 'optimal' weight / obesity tables have been ratcheting down along with people's perceptions. There's a lot of argument over, for example, Marilyn Monroe's dress size.. but whatever the measurement, it clearly wasn't a size 6 or 4 or 2 (or size ZERO -- that just makes me wonder what happens when you get below size ZERO). Do you exist, but in another dimension?

Elizabeth Hurley said she would kill herself if she were as "fat" as Marilyn.
Hey babe, knock yourself out.
:-* :-* :-*

WM 05-09-2007 09:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TromboneAl
The research seems sound, but if that's true, answer this:

Why are people fatter today than they were 20 years ago? Their genes have not changed.

I have similar questions. The twin studies are compelling, but genetics just don't change that quickly - they can't be accounting for our collective rise in average weight. I don't discount genetics, by any means. But I also think our "modern" food system is really messed up and pushing a lot of foods at us that are unhealthy or overprocessed. That has to be making a difference.

Mwsinron 05-09-2007 09:30 PM

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I think its mostly people have become lazy and dont pay attention to the foods they stick in their bodies. Thats the biggest change in 20 years. Kids dont go out and play anymore its sit in front of the TV and play non active games.

LKH 05-10-2007 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mykidslovedogs
What an interesting article. Thanks for posting it. Being the melting pot of the world, I wonder why Americans have so much more of a problem with obesity than other countries?

I keep wondering how much has to do with the stuff we feed our livestock to make sure they plump up nice and quick. That might at least explain why we have more problem with obesity in the US than other nations, where they also sit around a lot, eat all the wrong foods, and presumably are genetically very similar.

Peaceful_Warrior 05-10-2007 01:28 AM

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Whether this is relevant or not, I go organic and don't eat dairy products made from cows with rbst or other growth hormones.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LKH
I keep wondering how much has to do with the stuff we feed our livestock to make sure they plump up nice and quick. That might at least explain why we have more problem with obesity in the US than other nations, where they also sit around a lot, eat all the wrong foods, and presumably are genetically very similar.


ladelfina 05-10-2007 02:47 AM

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LKH.. I wouldn't be surprised if hormones had something to do with it. I remember this being fingered also in very precocious onset of puberty in some areas of either Mexico or Latin/South America; not sure if the charges stuck.

I also remember reading somewhere about the ever-increasing amount of corn that we ingest, a lot of it without thinking about it, since so many processed foods have corn syrup and modified food (i.e, corn) starch these days, replacing sugar and wheat flour. (Go ADM and corn subsidies!). Not to mention that besides the chemicals, what plumps up cattle nowadays is corn.

It's certainly possible our bodies process these in a slightly different way rather than just being about sheer # of calories. Something to for someone to look into if they haven't already.

TargaDave 05-10-2007 05:03 AM

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Here is a strange observation. Went to a company meeting last week with a bunch of "Tim Allen type" field service engineers and Tech's mixed in with a bunch of geeky Phd application scientists. Not hard to guess who the skinny group was. Interesting to note that the "sales guys" present were inbetween the two extremes. Go figure.

dumpster56 05-10-2007 06:38 AM

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How to lose weight?

Funny I was watching something last week and someone asked how do you stay so thin don't you eat ? response.. Rarely!!

Are you hungry she was asked, Answer Yes.. Ok I will take you and get you a club soda!!

Now just go and finish your 10 mile workout!! 8)

Khan 05-10-2007 07:23 AM

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As I have been modifying my diet, I am amazed at how much I used to eat.

Also, I have started buying local meat; it still has some corn in it, but at least no hormones or pre-emptive antibiotics.

Milton 05-17-2007 04:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LKH
we have more problem with obesity in the US than other nations, where they also sit around a lot, eat all the wrong foods, and presumably are genetically very similar.

What other countries are you referring to?

TromboneAl 05-17-2007 04:12 PM

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Quote:

a bunch of "Tim Allen type" field service engineers and Tech's mixed in with a bunch of geeky Phd application scientists. Not hard to guess who the skinny group was.
Are you saying that the less-educated service engineers were ignorant about diet, and sat around watching NASCAR eating Cheetos and getting fat while the Geeks were aware of proper food nutrition, ate a healthy diet, and maintained a precise ideal weight?

Or are you saying that the action-oriented, backpacking, weight-lifting service engineers were more buff than the desk-bound, coca-cola drinking, introspective geeks?

I honestly can't guess which group would tend to be fatter.


bright eyed 05-17-2007 04:38 PM

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the article wasn't conclusive to me - seemed to jump from A + B = Q i think for the article to assert that it's just genetics - let's throw up our hands is not consistant with what is going on now in the states.

The overweight since childhood people had different metabolisms than people who were slimmer - surprise? no. my friends who have been pregnant who were overweight before - had a much harder time losing the baby weight than the people who were slimmer before - totally unfair but it is what it is.

Genetics? TAl points out the historical difference between say 30 years ago and now - we are all getting bigger. and our genes have not changed.

But food has - food is more modified, processed, colored, flavored, packaged and fried than ever. that is also a fact. and foods made for kids are worse. my sister is in WW and they tell you to shop the perimeter of the store because the whole inside is processed foods - ie bad for you - isn't that scary? add in time in front of tv/video games etc...

Genetically - our bodies are made to retain fat because cave people didn't always know where their next meal came from and the Ingalls family worked a lot harder than most people these days - yet food is more abundant and bad for you.

The more kids get overweight - earlier in their lives - the less likely they are to exercise, have interest or ability in exercise and then their metabolisms are shot - for the long term. get them healthy and fit early on and they have a better shot. My niece is very overweight for her age (i think 60 pounds at age 3) and she has not been able to develop muscle tone, had she been able to run/play like other kids her age - so she can barely carry her own weight. her parents both had weight issues - but she also is fed a terrible diet - so it's not one w/out the other methinks.

another note on the family genetics - my family - my parents very slim, from asia where obesity is not common - my two sisters have had weight issues since their teens and we ate a lot of processed foods (working parents, tv dinners...) so they don't fit the formula either. i didn't - even though i ate the same bad foods - i was more a picky eater and perhaps my genes are slightly different than my sister's - and they are also more emotional eaters than i am - is that genetic? maybe.

also, other countries that have allowed american processed foods into their doors have also had to loosen their belts - so let's look at the obvious too...






mykidslovedogs 05-17-2007 05:14 PM

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I think it's a combination of genetics and diet/exercise/eating habits. My dad has struggled with weight issues on and off his whole life. When he really puts his mind to it, he can lose 20 or 30 pounds just like that. As soon as he gets it off, he starts snacking again, and he puts it all back on. He's a grazer. He is constantly in the fridge, eating little bits here and there. If's there's chips in the cupboard or peanuts, he's snacking on them. He also eats really fast - never takes his time. He tries so hard to lose the weight, but it's always a struggle, and he feels like he's starving whenever he's on a diet.

I am one of those naturally thin people. My mom is skinny too, and so are my sisters. As a little kid, I was so skinny and lanky, it embarrassed me. I used to pull my socks up to my knees thinking it would make me look like I had a little meat on my bones, when it really made me look even skinnier! :-[ Now that I am older, I guess you could say I look "normal", and if I gain a few pounds, I really don't have too much trouble getting rid of them within a few days....just cut back on the fatty foods, go for a few hikes, do some yard work, drink a few less beers and wahlah - gone.

I don't think you can blame it all on genetics, but there's no doubt in my mind that genetics play a huge role.

Milton 05-17-2007 08:41 PM

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That would be "voilą - gone", right? :-\

P.S. I love dogs, too! ;)

mykidslovedogs 05-18-2007 11:36 AM

Re: NYT article on fat/diet/obesity (it's genetic and that's that)
 
Never was very good at French

HFWR 05-18-2007 12:56 PM

Re: NYT article on fat/diet/obesity (it's genetic and that's that)
 
We pronounce it "Vy-o-luh" here in Texas...

mark 05-20-2007 06:07 AM

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It's simply a matter of energy (caloric) input versus energy expended. You take in more calories than you burn, and it is stored as fat.

There were no fat people in Auschwitz.

dumpster56 05-20-2007 06:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mark
It's simply a matter of energy (caloric) input versus energy expended. You take in more calories than you burn, and it is stored as fat.

There were no fat people in Auschwitz.

Oh man are you on point there.



bright eyed 05-20-2007 12:44 PM

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nothing like extreme comparisons to make a point huh? :o

on another note - i wonder if that "starving" phase once obese/overweight people experience goes away with time if they are able to keep it off - that would be helpful information for people to know they won't always feel like they are starving...

Khan 05-20-2007 01:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bright eyed
nothing like extreme comparisons to make a point huh? :o

on another note - i wonder if that "starving" phase once obese/overweight people experience goes away with time if they are able to keep it off - that would be helpful information for people to know they won't always feel like they are starving...

I never felt like I was starving, I felt like I wasn't stuffed. Occasionally I'll slip and not use a small plate, and I'll eat too much and feel stuffed.

At least in my case, 60 pounds of fat (about one cubic foot) was stress.

I've stopped losing for now, but I really need to drop some more. I'll step up the exercising a bit and eat more vegetables and see what happens.


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