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Sam 06-05-2007 04:12 PM

Ignore list?
 
Ignore list: Shouldn't the ignore function suppress the posts as well as the threads started by the ignored? At this moment the posts are suppressed, but the threads still show!

I just can't handle it anymore. Finally succumbed and submitted one name to the ignore list. Can't bear to read his racist, childish, and generally ignorant and thoughtless writing. But all his recent non-sense threads still show!

Help!

Nords 06-05-2007 04:20 PM

I pulled this out of the FAQs:

Quote:

Ignore lists are used for those people whose messages you wish not to read. By adding someone to your ignore list, those messages posted by these individuals will be hidden when you read a thread.
I think that means you'll still see the titles of the threads they start, but you'll no longer have to look at their individual posts.

M* has the only other "Ignore" function I've seen, and it behaves the same way.

Sam 06-05-2007 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords (Post 523043)
I pulled this out of the FAQs:


I think that means you'll still see the titles of the threads they start, but you'll no longer have to look at their individual posts.

M* has the only other "Ignore" function I've seen, and it behaves the same way.

That's too bad. Thanks again.

What's M*? Motley Fool?

mickeyd 06-05-2007 04:38 PM

M* is Morningstar

Tiger 06-05-2007 05:00 PM

Every forum I've ever belonged to has an ignore button.

HFWR 06-05-2007 06:21 PM

Gallagher on televisions: "They need an intelligence knob; they have a brightness control, but it doesn't work."

Sam 06-05-2007 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickeyd (Post 523052)
M* is Morningstar

Thanks.

cute fuzzy bunny 06-05-2007 09:22 PM

The older versions of vbulletin used to have mods to allow whole posts by users on the ignore list to be hidden, quoted passages by ignored users to not be viewed, and my favorite...one that let a user post to their hearts content while nobody else could see anything they wrote.

Way more fun than a ban.

I dont see anything like that for the 3.x vbulletin, but I didnt look that hard.

REWahoo 06-05-2007 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cute fuzzy bunny (Post 523138)
...one that let a user post to their hearts content while nobody else could see anything they wrote.

Way more fun than a ban.

I dont see anything like that for the 3.x vbulletin, but I didnt look that hard.


OK, I'm looking, I'm looking...!

cute fuzzy bunny 06-05-2007 09:32 PM

What?

Did somebody say something?

Ed_The_Gypsy 06-05-2007 09:42 PM

Aw, Sam! I ain't racist.

Sam 06-05-2007 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed_The_Gypsy (Post 523141)
Aw, Sam! I ain't racist.

I can see your post! ;)

HFWR 06-06-2007 06:54 AM

Is my fly open?

retire@40 06-06-2007 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 523035)
Ignore list: Shouldn't the ignore function suppress the posts as well as the threads started by the ignored? At this moment the posts are suppressed, but the threads still show!

It would be nice to suppress the threads too. Too bad there isn't an "ignore this thread" button next to each thread. It would help clean things up and make reading here so much easier on the eyes.

I don't come here to get opinions of what is going on in Iraq or why politicians suck. I come here to stay current with FIRE topics and contribute to them once in a while as well.

I don't mind a few digressions, but when they become the main entree, it gets pathetic.

SamHouston 06-06-2007 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retire@40 (Post 523329)
It would be nice to suppress the threads too. Too bad there isn't an "ignore this thread" button next to each thread. It would help clean things up and make reading here so much easier on the eyes.

I don't come here to get opinions of what is going on in Iraq or why politicians suck. I come here to stay current with FIRE topics and contribute to them once in a while as well.

I don't mind a few digressions, but when they become the main entree, it gets pathetic.

I do think that most folks have done a good job of keeping "political" discussions in the "Other Topics" forum, though. That makes it easier to ignore them for those who don't want to see them.

Sam 07-13-2007 09:14 PM

A technical question for the moderators:

Does "ignore" work based on the IP address alone, or the IP address AND the userid?

In other words, if the "ignored" individual creates a new userid, will his/her posts show?

cute fuzzy bunny 07-13-2007 09:19 PM

Yes they'll show. Ignore is for the userid only.

Nords 07-13-2007 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 535780)
In other words, if the "ignored" individual creates a new userid, will his/her posts show?

Yes.

For example, I have both Newguy and BooBoo on my "Ignore Poster" list.

cute fuzzy bunny 07-13-2007 09:38 PM

Awww...they're not the same guy, are they?

Nords 07-13-2007 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 535793)
You might have to add another one.

Yeah, I was looking at that...

Sam 07-13-2007 09:47 PM

Oops! Sorry.

bright eyed 07-14-2007 12:59 AM

aaaaaah....

ladelfina 07-14-2007 01:06 PM

Just a comment: I don't think there's any great added value in ignoring entire threads based on the originator. I don't want to put down the people who obviously feel strongly about it, but it's not all that difficult to avoid clicking on a thread that you don't want to click on.

I don't really have a horse in this race since I haven't "ignored" anyone yet... but I would like to point out, as an example, the recent thread on refineries started by newguy888. I gather he's on some people's ignore list, but in reading the thread replies I found out quite a lot of interesting stuff I never knew -and would never have known otherwise- about oil refining! So ya never know...!!

Have a good day, all.

retire@40 07-14-2007 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladelfina (Post 535957)
Just a comment: I don't think there's any great added value in ignoring entire threads based on the originator....it's not all that difficult to avoid clicking on a thread that you don't want to click on.

But there is great value in ignoring a thread based on the thread.

True that you don't have to click on threads that have a topic you have no interest in reading on this forum. But, when you have to keep looking at those threads over and over every time you log in, it gets to be as annoying as spam in your email.

Wouldn't it be nice to have an "ignore thread" button next to each thread so it doesn't keep clogging up the list of threads? If I don't want to see a thread on "Iran needs nukes" one time, why would I want to see that same heading again the next time I log on? I am NEVER going to click on it, so I NEVER want to see it again.

If you don't think a thread like that is annoying, then what would you think if I posted 100 variations of the same theme on here once a week? Would it be annoying then?

ladelfina 07-14-2007 02:48 PM

Quote:

Wouldn't it be nice to have an "ignore thread" button next to each thread so it doesn't keep clogging up the list of threads?
Yes, I think that could actually be useful.. it's a bit different than automatic hiding of everything based on user.

I would be far more likely to ignore an entire thread than to ignore a user, mostly since I think it would be wierd to read threads where some main participant is blocked out and thus other people's responses might make no sense...

It's not just about politics or who's annoying, either. For instance, I'm happy that people enjoy RVs or surfing, but I'm not going to go RVing or surfing so I would be happy to be able to "tidy up" unread posts to eliminate those threads from my list, at least (as you say) past their first appearance.

Danny 07-14-2007 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords (Post 535787)
Yes.

For example, I have both Newguy and BooBoo on my "Ignore Poster" list.

Nords, I don't think its a good idea to single/call out people publicly like this..it's a bit like bullying and just encourages animosity between folks.
Are you able to read my post?

Nords 07-14-2007 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanTien (Post 536010)
Nords, I don't think its a good idea to single/call out people publicly like this..it's a bit like bullying and just encourages animosity between folks.
Are you able to read my post?

Yes, Dan, I'm reading your posts.

I think that posters capering around under multiple IDs should know that we recognize not only their IP addresses but their writing styles. It seems especially deceitful to be making posts from those different poster IDs to the same thread in an effort to make people think that they're different-- when they're really not.

I can see discarding an ID and starting up a new one when a password is misplaced. I can see doing it for some personal reason like "too much sharing" or avoiding large post counts. But none of those reasons seem to be in effect here, and Newguy has said several times before that he was going to rein in his Chicken Little behavior. Apparently that's no longer the case...

I think it's a shame that the valuable contributions of this board can be sullied by that type of behavior. It doesn't enhance the dignity of the poster behaving in that manner, and it doesn't respect the efforts of the rest of the posters.

honobob 07-14-2007 04:44 PM

I have to believe that there are other posters that agree with Dan Tien.

I'm also sure that there are others who are uncomfortable with an ex-moderator using "inside information" to excuse their attack and making claims that regular posters have no way of verifying for themselves.

Have I given up any right to expect privacy in my PM's to moderators and posters? Knowing up front instead of it being thrown in my face would be preferrable to me, but maybe I'm just in the minority.

Where's a moderator when you need one? smiley face Hey, where's a smiley face when you need one?:o oops, figgered it out :)

cute fuzzy bunny 07-14-2007 04:58 PM

I dont think Nords is enjoying any special privileges. When I've suspected trolls of using additional user ID's, I've asked the mods and been told whether or not my suspicions had any basis.

It also doesnt appear that any information passed in a private message has been compromised. What did I miss?

Lets not drop the noose on the victim here either, shall we?

Danny 07-14-2007 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords (Post 536018)
Yes, Dan, I'm reading your posts.

I think that posters capering around under multiple IDs should know that we recognize not only their IP addresses but their writing styles. It seems especially deceitful to be making posts from those different poster IDs to the same thread in an effort to make people think that they're different-- when they're really not.

I can see discarding an ID and starting up a new one when a password is misplaced. I can see doing it for some personal reason like "too much sharing" or avoiding large post counts. But none of those reasons seem to be in effect here, and Newguy has said several times before that he was going to rein in his Chicken Little behavior. Apparently that's no longer the case...

I think it's a shame that the valuable contributions of this board can be sullied by that type of behavior. It doesn't enhance the dignity of the poster behaving in that manner, and it doesn't respect the efforts of the rest of the posters.

I see where you're coming from. I haven't been following that close. Glad I'm not on your ignore list.
I do have an old id or 2...as if you didn't know already...I don't know what I was thinking at the time, but I'm probably not the only one here that's made some mistakes in their lives, eh? Right? Well, you can go ahead and clean those fellas out, oops just remembered you're retired....ahh, forget it

honobob 07-14-2007 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords (Post 536018)

I think that posters capering around under multiple IDs should know that we recognize not only their IP addresses

............. and Newguy has said several times before that he was going to rein in his Chicken Little behavior.

CFB
Well, I don't recognize anyone's IP address (do I have access?) and maybe I missed the several times Newguy publicly posted his intention to "rein in his Chicken Little behavior". Seemed like inside information to me but if it's not can I have the ER clue to access this info?

Hey, where's the secret handshake smiley when you need it?:rolleyes:

Thanking you in advance.

73ss454 07-14-2007 05:41 PM

After all the years I've been reading Nords posts I don't think for one minute that he would do anything that's not in the best interest of this forum. I feel very comfortable having him know what's going on around here. Moderator or not.

cute fuzzy bunny 07-14-2007 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honobob (Post 536082)
CFB
Well, I don't recognize anyone's IP address (do I have access?) and maybe I missed the several times Newguy publicly posted his intention to "rein in his Chicken Little behavior". Seemed like inside information to me but if it's not can I have the ER clue to access this info?


IP addresses are only visible to the moderators. If you're a mod, each post shows an IP address and there are logs you can dump. However, IP addresses are like post office return addresses...you can write in pretty much whatever you want by going through a proxy or an 'anonymizer' site.

In the instance I provided a demonstration of, I used "The Onion Router" (TOR), a downloadable product that sends your internet traffic through a random series of routers, from which you pop at some random (or selected) point on the globe. Invisible as to who you are or where you're living.

As far as the reining in of the chicken little behavior, that would be here:
https://www.early-retirement.org/foru...age-28132.html

Approximately 2 hours later, we got "Cindy Sheehan Is Headed Home" and it went on from there.

All of which I had to look up, because he's been on my ignore list for about a month. Not enough content outside the screaming headlines to be interested in.

maddythebeagle 07-14-2007 08:17 PM

To be fair to Newguy, I think he has added some good posts about his FIRE experiences and would guess that he feels strongly about some issues....He does make it pretty clear in the threads what the topic is about and posts in "off topics"....It usually isnt my cup of tea, but if you dont like it, dont read the threads....

retire@40 07-14-2007 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddythebeagle (Post 536137)
...but if you dont like it, dont read the threads....

Even though I don't want to read the threads, every time I log on and there is a new post to those threads, I am forced to see them due to the limited capabilities of this forum software.

It just proves the person who designed this forum software hasn't used it enough to realize it's shortfalls and imperfections.

honobob 07-14-2007 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddythebeagle (Post 536137)
To be fair to

Newguy...OAP...DLAT....CFB.....Son of CFB.....Nords......

Fair to everybody.........'cept Tryan, who when I was on vacation made claims of 19% yearly returns on real estate against my 9-11%. Wait...did he say compounded yearly?

dumpster56 07-14-2007 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddythebeagle (Post 536137)
To be fair to Newguy, I think he has added some good posts about his FIRE experiences and would guess that he feels strongly about some issues....He does make it pretty clear in the threads what the topic is about and posts in "off topics"....It usually isnt my cup of tea, but if you dont like it, dont read the threads....


Thanks

What seems to be however my posts that became an issue for Nords were ones that were not his political slant. Heck I made it clear to any and everyone here on the forum that I sometimes have no idea what I am posting about!

Man its just a forum, I don't take this stuff that seriously. I don't take myself seriously. Life is too short to worry about the small stuff. Ignore lists, they are sooo High school.

honobob 07-14-2007 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cute fuzzy bunny (Post 536114)
IP addresses are only visible to the moderators.

As far as the reining in of the chicken little behavior, that would be here:
https://www.early-retirement.org/foru...age-28132.html

Well I'm not ready to condemn someone when you, yourself say the IP is only visible to the Mod and that it is not something you'd want to hang your hat on.

And the single, year old post doesn't seem to support the original claim. Thanks for trying to shed so light on the entire situation but I think the explaining needs to be done from the source.

cute fuzzy bunny 07-14-2007 09:09 PM

When the IP addresses match, thats a pretty good indication that you have the same guy posting under multiple names. Having them different is not an indication of two different people, however.

I'm of the understanding that the poster in question posted from the same IP address, using multiple user IDs, presumably because he'd taken a little too much heat under his primary name and wanted to 'peanut butter' the stupid, non-ER related threads out a little bit.

Not the end of the world, but its really not what the place is all about. Its particularly onerous when the poster acknowledges that the behavior is unsatisfactory and that they intend to change, then they continue the same behavior.

By the way, that post is from last week, not a year ago.

And...thats all I have to say about...that!

honobob 07-14-2007 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cute fuzzy bunny (Post 536153)

By the way, that post is from last week, not a year ago.

And...thats all I have to say about...that!

CFB
sorry I was looking at join date. but when I rechecked the date was 6/8/07..last month.

i do agree .............. that's all folks!!!!!!!!

Now in your six transactions.........did tryan dust you too?? Isn't he from the east coast? :rant:

Nords 07-14-2007 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cute fuzzy bunny (Post 536114)
IP addresses are only visible to the moderators. If you're a mod, each post shows an IP address and there are logs you can dump. However, IP addresses are like post office return addresses...you can write in pretty much whatever you want by going through a proxy or an 'anonymizer' site.

The old moderator IP tools were pretty slick-- you clicked on a poster's name to get to their profile, and then there were two links to "check IPs". I forget the names of the two links but one listed all the IPs that poster had ever used, and another listed all the posters who'd ever used a specific IP. So you could check both names & IP addresses. IIRC you could also see what IP addresses they'd used for their last dozen or so posts and whether or not there had been any login errors.

I haven't used these IP tools much (they're much more awkward, requiring a second login and a lot of keystrokes) but I can't ever recall anyone other than CFB using a proxy router. Some posters would have literally dozens of IP addresses from using dialup, others would have two or three from switching among work/home/travel, some would only have one.

It's not rocket science and the IP address wasn't usually the first sign. Moderator antenna would twitch when a poster reminded a moderator of someone else. It'd be similar vocabulary or sentence structure or a certain subject or wading right into another poster without seeming to need to get acquainted first. A very first post jumping into a subject without any sort of introduction might be a tipoff too. (The same frequently applied to spammers.) So by the time a moderator found one IP address with two user names there was never any doubt. We'd post our findings to the moderator's section of the board and talk about what, if anything, needed to be done.

If I remember someone using multiple IDs when I was a moderator, and if it looks like it's happening again, then I'm going to call moderator attention to it. If it looks like two posters are suspiciously similar in nature then I'm going to call moderator attention to it. And if it's spam, then I'm going to... you get the point. But I'll also let you know what I think you're doing.

If I'm not responding directly to your posts then it's probably because you're on my "Ignore Poster" list. But if it's really important to you to get my attention then feel free to send me a PM. Or forward your complaints to a moderator, and I'm sure things will get worked out!

Having said that, I won't be on the board much between now and the 26th.

honobob 07-14-2007 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords (Post 536177)
If I'm not responding directly to your posts then it's probably because you're on my "Ignore Poster" list. But if it's really important to you to get my attention then feel free to send me a PM. Or forward your complaints to a moderator, and I'm sure things will get worked out!

Having said that, I won't be on the board much between now and the 26th.

So the ignore list is just meant to be "I'll ignore you in public but I can't really ignore you (please love me) so I'll go thru other posters to see what's going on and then act like I'm all about being forthright so I'll accept your adulation/unwarranted criticism in private". Passive/agressive?

Would someone please tell the poster to act like a grown man? I may be in an ignoring mood.

If it's important for you to respond to someone on your ignore list, don't. Directly OR indirectly. You're defeating the purpose! But, we're all on the edge of our seats, are we on your list or not?

Having said that, I'll probably be here about every day for the next few weeks.

Ignore Poster. Helpful tool or people basher?

If you're not on my list, and you're not, question why!

Much Aloha
Honobob

Danny 07-15-2007 01:40 AM

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REWahoo 07-15-2007 05:04 AM

Dan, you shouldn't be bothered by shelleym again. That account has been banned.

cute fuzzy bunny 07-15-2007 10:12 AM

I'm pretty sure that PM's from someone on your ignore list dont go through either, but I havent tried it.

I think originally the 'ignore user' list ONLY worked on PM's and was later expanded to cover posts.

Nords 07-15-2007 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REWahoo (Post 536211)
Dan, you shouldn't be bothered by shelleym again. That account has been banned.

Considering the five-user limit on PM addressing, I wonder how much she expected to get for what must've been a stupendous investment of labor. Especially from a board full of people who don't need cheap travel websites to learn about cheap travel.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cute fuzzy bunny (Post 536270)
I'm pretty sure that PM's from someone on your ignore list dont go through either, but I havent tried it.

Never thought of that... maybe that's why users can send both PMs and e-mails.

cute fuzzy bunny 07-15-2007 10:31 AM

Might be effective on both. I thought it was a block on the send side where the s/w would check the recipients ignore list before allowing a message send. But that was an old vbulletin extension for some godawful old version of vb, back about 6-7 years ago. Add in my faulty memory and...

BigMoneyJim 07-15-2007 10:43 AM

There have been several posters who periodically abandon one account and start a new one. I've never really had a problem with that, but I don't recall someone posting as two different identities simultaneously being tolerated for very long, especially if they converse with themselves in the same threads.

On the other hand, nobody is actively searching for this. Usually what happens is one or two users in particular will sniff it out and report it, although in at least half the cases there has been no evidence supporting the dual identity theory.

I don't think any suspected multi-account poster has used onion routing here...I would expect that to show up as IP's from unrelated sources over time. Usually IPs from one poster are consistent within a service provider or two...home and work, or perhaps they changed providers during their posting career.

cute fuzzy bunny 07-15-2007 10:51 AM

I doubt its something that happens very often, unless someone wants to be a jerk and has a little knowledge. Doesnt take much to go to a 'cloak' or 'anonymizer' web site, punch in the address and go to town.

It doesnt really get suspicious until a user shows up and immediately asks that the IP addresses get checked, because they know they're going to be different. ;)

Danny 07-15-2007 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REWahoo (Post 536211)
Dan, you shouldn't be bothered by shelleym again. That account has been banned.

Thanks Wahoo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMoneyJim (Post 536296)
There have been several posters who periodically abandon one account and start a new one. I've never really had a problem with that, but I don't recall someone posting as two different identities simultaneously being tolerated for very long, especially if they converse with themselves in the same threads. On the other hand, nobody is actively searching for this. Usually what happens is one or two users in particular will sniff it out and report it, although in at least half the cases there has been no evidence supporting the dual identity theory. I don't think any suspected multi-account poster has used onion routing here...I would expect that to show up as IP's from unrelated sources over time. Usually IPs from one poster are consistent within a service provider or two...home and work, or perhaps they changed providers during their posting career.

Same here. Confession time, although I think most know this already, for a time I was DanTien, Daneboy and IntoThe Mystic....I think I was trying to break free of my pollmeister stigma, to get CutThroat to get off my back about not wanting to eat farmed salmon, etc., never did anything malicious, don't remember talking to myself on the board, but do here at home . I'm DT all time now though, although I remember that some thought ITM had a better persona than DT.

Webzter 07-15-2007 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanTien (Post 536326)
to get CutThroat to get off my back about not wanting to eat farmed salmon

Someone was mad at you about not wanting to eat skanky, poor quality, unhealthy fish?

Danny 07-15-2007 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webzter (Post 536335)
Someone was mad at you about not wanting to eat skanky, poor quality, unhealthy fish?

yeah, he was really mean to me...

cute fuzzy bunny 07-15-2007 01:37 PM

https://www.early-retirement.org/foru.../nm-18796.html

He deleted the original post and the original login back when you could do such a thing. A fine example of the problems with 'free editing forever'.

The OP basically told us that we should all buy farmed fish, that it tasted better than wild, and that you were stupid if you didnt agree.

As a fisherman and card carrying member of many anglers groups, it was probably some lame attempt to get people to stop overfishing the wild varieties so there'd be more potential catches for hobby fishermen.

Webzter 07-15-2007 03:35 PM

That's an awesome thread.

Danny 07-16-2007 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cute fuzzy bunny (Post 536356)
https://www.early-retirement.org/foru.../nm-18796.html

He deleted the original post and the original login back when you could do such a thing. A fine example of the problems with 'free editing forever'.

The OP basically told us that we should all buy farmed fish, that it tasted better than wild, and that you were stupid if you didnt agree.

As a fisherman and card carrying member of many anglers groups, it was probably some lame attempt to get people to stop overfishing the wild varieties so there'd be more potential catches for hobby fishermen.

a minor thing....also he was a moderator.

haha 07-16-2007 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanTien (Post 536338)
yeah, he was really mean to me...

Can someone post a link to that thread? CT knows more about fish than the next 50 of us, it doesn't ring true to me that he claimed that farmed fish was equal to wild.

He eats fish right out of the river in AK for heaven's sake!

Ha

cute fuzzy bunny 07-16-2007 06:47 PM

Scroll up a little bit Ha...I linked it...

chinaco 07-17-2007 03:40 AM

I have a serious request!

Why not add a "Rant" sub forum (under General)? Kinda like a sound-proof room where people can get their political (and other) ranting ( diatribe )out of their system.

Most people who have posted here (including myself) have shown the worst of their behavior at one time or another. For that matter, some of the most prolific posters (that are criticizing here) slide into personal attacks and name calling on a regular basis. If someone is seriously contributing to the body of knowledge (and opinion)... why shun them if they have a moment?

There is a little bit of an interesting phenomenon going on here. It seems that the ignore list is "used to do just that" in a private way. To air your personal view (ax to grind) publicly seems a little manipulative.

Note - I am not talking about dealing with a real Troll. This term has been painted on a few people who simply have differing (or strong) opinions. It is sometimes used as a form of manipulation to shame someone into conforming with others opinions. I think that most would agree that a real troll has no such social inclinations to be manipulated.

If a Rant forum is created... I will bet that most everyone that has posted here will make a regular stop just to see what the latest flap is about!

Sorry for the Rant!

BigMoneyJim 07-17-2007 05:46 AM

I'm not seeing the advantage. A rant forum would seem to encourage more ranting, and in my experience that just gets other people worked up and often spills over to the rest of the board.

ladelfina 07-17-2007 06:49 AM

I agree w/BigMoneyJim.. plus what looks like a rant to one person is an impassioned debate to another. Anything to do with money has the possibility of raising questions about politics, so it's just best to let these bubbles form and pop naturally. Even threads about fishing or cars can get political.. you just never know in advance where anything will lead. (Which, to me, is the fun part.)

There's only a minority of consistent ranters and a minority that are consistently offended by them; the rest of the board seems to have a pretty good sense of perspective, proportion and relative tolerance.

haha 07-17-2007 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladelfina (Post 536856)
There's only a minority of consistent ranters and a minority that are consistently offended by them; the rest of the board seems to have a pretty good sense of perspective, proportion and relative tolerance.

I see it this way also. Who cares if someone rants? Everywhere I go some crazy is ranting on the street. I would prefer than they not, because I never know when they will escalate beyond ranting.

But on the internet? Even with all the IP sleuths around here I really don't think we have much to worry about. ;)

Ha

Gumby 07-17-2007 06:56 PM

One is not required to "rise to the bait". I say let them rant and ignore them.

chinaco 07-18-2007 02:49 AM

I can see the point. A Rant forum might encourage bad behavior. I guess the word "Rant" does not really convey what I meant (i.e., semantics). One of the things about communicating in written text (often fragments of thought) is that it leave much open to misinterpretation (and the lack of back and forth immediate refinement of the meaning of the words communicated) which is part of the problem.

Perhaps a Debate forum (or pick any acceptable name).

It seems to me that at one time or another people have some sort of ax to grind about an issue. It often gets dumped into Other or one of the FIRE forums. If there was a forum where people could post those more controversial (Opinion heavy, sometime emotional) topics... people could enter at their own risk (so to speak)!

Anyway, the general notion was to get the "Rants" out of the other forums. Not to create an "enter and be abused" forum! ;)

chinaco 07-18-2007 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMoneyJim (Post 536296)
I've never really had a problem with that, but I don't recall someone posting as two different identities simultaneously being tolerated for very long, especially if they converse with themselves in the same threads.

Sorry for the additional post... but I did not read most of this thread and have been looking back at some posts.

This comment is interesting. If I get the idea... One may use to accounts to post as two different people for a variety of reasons... Possibly to show support for their idea or some such nonsense?

Sad, Sad , Sad. Carrying on a conversation with oneself is a little silly. I am sure it is to confuse or manipulate someone!

Unfortunately, the anonymity of these forums emboldens people to do things they might not otherwise do in person.

Which is why we should all exercise Caveat Utilitor on all information considered for use from this forum (or any other source).

My impression is that most people that are in here for any period of time are good peeps. There are a few people just looking to shake things up... they probably move on quickly.

cute fuzzy bunny 07-18-2007 08:13 AM

I think the basic problem of off-topic/political/religious/jackass posting is that it rubs people the wrong way and can lead to shorter tempers and reduced contribution in subsequently viewed on-topic posts.

Its also possible that people who duke it out over some ridiculous issue will hold a grudge and take it out on each other for some time thereafter.

I'm thinking of a half dozen or so posters...really valuable people...who quit the board because they got tired of the off topic stuff. Lets look at Charlie for example. Great poster. Actual retiree living off his investments. Always good advice. Got sick of the political posts and quit.

We could debate skin thickness all we want, but the bottom line is everyone has skin.

So who would you rather have, Charlie or some guy with a megaphone that only spews out off topic crap?

maddythebeagle 07-18-2007 08:35 AM

Good advice on not taking the bait, Gumby and I would rather have mostly positive posters, too...I think that there is always the newer poster that posts 5-7 messages a day and burns themselves out....since few will interact with them......I categorize them as trolls also, since they arenít interested in social interaction....Final stop is usually the same, a passive-aggressive final post telling us all how "we wont have him to kick around anymore":p


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