Most Overprice Cars and trucks here in America!

[dumpster56]

America-s-Most-Overpriced-Vehicles- Yahoo! Autos Article Page

Not a surpise here, 13 are American made SUV or Trucks and one sedan. 1 Nissan and a Mazda Ford re badge.

Go ahead buy one. No wonder american car makers are going the way of the DODO!

 

[HFWR]

"Are you planning to keep the vehicle for six, seven, eight years?" he asks. "Then you aren't so concerned with resale."

Or more...

HFWR, owner of an eight year old plus pickup

 

[73ss454]

America-s-Most-Overpriced-Vehicles- Yahoo! Autos Article Page

Not a surpise here, 13 are American made SUV or Trucks and one sedan. 1 Nissan and a Mazda Ford re badge.

Go ahead buy one. No wonder american car makers are going the way of the DODO!

Newguy, is there anything you like about America? One negative thread after another, why not move to the middle east.

 

[saluki9]

Newguy, is there anything you like about America? One negative thread after another, why not move to the middle east.

On top of that Newguy, have you ever thought of actually contributing something to the forum instead of just trolling?

 

[dumpster56]

On top of that Newguy, have you ever thought of actually contributing something to the forum instead of just trolling?

Lets see now I have a thread in the Health section about how much we are running now. How long is it?

Please, We all know the american auto industry is well stinko and hey so what IF I POSTED this topic. Ya don't like IGNORE! Nords and other closed minded here on the forum do just that.

Thought it might be an interesting topic to discuss. But better to call someone a troll.

Again as I have said here over the years, I have never called anyone names, never been disrespectful to any here.

You might be retired but man grow the heck up!

 

[dumpster56]

Newguy, is there anything you like about America? One negative thread after another, why not move to the middle east.

Plenty and you know it. However look around this great land of ours, the flowers are well wilting.

 

[travelover]

Try the ignore function - it really helps.

 

[Walt34]

Go ahead buy one. No wonder american car makers are going the way of the DODO!

We did. Five years ago we bought a Buick and a full-size 4WD GMC pickup truck. They replaced GM vehicles that were 14 and 18 years old respectively.
The reliability of the old ones was fine, we think we got our nickel's worth, and the new ones are running fine.

We like GM stuff because they have the ergonomics down. It "fits my butt". Others feel awkward and therefore uncomfortable.

Your mileage may vary.

Hey, even Rolls Royce makes a lemon once in a while. I read about some baseball player who bought a Rolls that kept breaking down on him so he sold it and bought a Chevy that he liked because "it always starts".

 

[saluki9]

Lets see now I have a thread in the Health section about how much we are running now. How long is it?

Please, We all know the american auto industry is well stinko and hey so what IF I POSTED this topic. Ya don't like IGNORE! Nords and other closed minded here on the forum do just that.

"stinko"


I'd say recovering is the term I would use.

If you think nothing is changing I suggest you try driving a Saturn Aura, Chevrolet Malibu, GMC Acadia, etc. They have learned their lesson.

If they could just get rid of the UAW they would really be better off.

(full Disclosure) - Before FinanceDude calls me on it, yes I do drive a BMW. But I am still impressed with what we're starting to turn out here.

 

[brewer12345]

Heh, my Merkin car (Indiana) is up to 115k and runs like a top. Of course, Subarus usually do...

Seriously, if you look at the data, US automakers are improving quality while Toyota and Nissan have been slipping. Next time out, I would consider a Merkin badged car, but they keep killing off their station wagon models (Ford killed the apparently quite nice Focus wagon for '08, for example).

 

[Independent]

Well, I actually read the article.

They measure "over-priced" by the difference between window sticker and the actual price the typical buyer pays.

That doesn't mean that buyers are paying "too much" for the car. It means that the manufacturer is setting an unrealistic MSRP for today's market and needs to discount heavily to make sales.

As expected, the list is lead by low-mileage vehicles that are getting hurt by high gas prices. Manufacturers avoid dropping MSRPs in those cases, so they are putting in incentives to move inventory.

The article has a second filter before a car gets on the list. If it gets good grades on JD Powers and CR surveys, it won't be called "over-priced", regardless of what people pay. So no Lexus can be "over-priced" if the owners think its a pretty good car.

The only take-away I have from this article is that if I were planning to buy one of their "over-priced" cars, I would be aware that most other people are paying a lot less than sticker, and bargain accordingly. Of course, in practice I'd look at Edmunds.com and CarsDirect.com to get an idea of the market for the car I was considering.

 

[REWahoo]

Next time out, I would consider a Merkin badged car, but they keep killing off their station wagon models (Ford killed the apparently quite nice Focus wagon for '08, for example).

Yet Ford came out with a new wagon in 2005, the Freestyle, which they renamed this year as the Taurus X. Seems to be getting reasonably good reviews. I gave it serious consideration but the local dealers were very proud of them and I ended up getting a much better buy on a Honda Pilot. Go figure...

 

[73ss454]

My 1998 Taurus runs great and the only repair to date is a set of ignition wires. I changed them myself for about $55.00, not too bad for 10 years.

 

[Trek]

Fords have a very good reliability reputation here in Europe. One of the reasons I got my Mondeo was it's reliability rating. The models are a bit different, more Euro styled and they're tuned more for European driving (tighter, not as soft).

They sell the Focus wagon here. Very nice. Wagons of all brands are very popular here.

They sell quite a few different Ford car models here. The Focus, Mondeo, C-MAX, S-MAX, Fusion, Fiesta and Ka.

Here is the Focus:

 

[mountaintosea]

My last 3 cars have all been Toyotas. I drive my cars until someone steals them or a little old lady hits me (totaled 8 year old corolla) on her way back to get her traffic school certificate that she forgot to pick up. (No kidding). My last car (Camry) had 325,000 miles on it. It was 13 years old. I was planning on going to 500,000 if possible. I was disappointed when someone stole it out of my driveway and it was found wrecked. BUT I love my little 4wd/RAV4. Out of all my cars (I think 5), I like this car the best. Good mileage lots of pep. AND I don't need to shovel snow to get out! (At least so far).

 

[brewer12345]

Yet Ford came out with a new wagon in 2005, the Freestyle, which they renamed this year as the Taurus X. Seems to be getting reasonably good reviews. I gave it serious consideration but the local dealers were very proud of them and I ended up getting a much better buy on a Honda Pilot. Go figure...

Freestyle/Taurus X isn't really a wagon. Really an SUV/crossover whatsit, IMO. I would have been a customer for the old Taurus wagon had I needed anythingthat big at the time. As it was, I tooled around in an escort wagon for 10 years and my younger sister still has the thing running in Brooklyn at 13 years old (and hit twice since she got it). I suspect it will be eaten by rust long before the mechanicals go.

 

[REWahoo]

Freestyle/Taurus X isn't really a wagon. Really an SUV/crossover whatsit, IMO.

Heh. You say "to-may-toe", I say "to-mat-o"...

From the Wikipedia definition of Crossover SUV:

"The CUV [Crossover Utility Vehicle] nomenclature was created by automotive marketing departments to move away from the station wagon, which has declined in popularity, and the SUV, which has been stigmatized by some people in American culture as environmentally-unfriendly, over-sized, and wasteful with fuel."

"...while most CUVs are actually station wagons or 5-door hatchbacks with truck-like characteristics such as elevated suspensions and upright seating (Volvo XC90, Ford Taurus X, Cadillac SRX)."

 

[brewer12345]

Problem with a crossover is that what I want is basically a car but with more cargo space and flexibility. Crossovers are basically SUVs with some compromises made to somewhat improve fuel economy, ride, etc., but its still not basically a car. I don't want to ride high up; I want something that drives like a car, has low rollover risk, and doesn't feel like a barge. Already got a minivan, don't need another.

 

[Notmuchlonger]

Driving a Hyundai Elantra that has over 130k on it. No problems and has been a good little car. We are probably going to buy another one when this one finally dies.

 

[steve88]

i heard the new ford mustang is nice and good car.

 

[mathjak107]

Problem with a crossover is that what I want is basically a car but with more cargo space and flexibility. Crossovers are basically SUVs with some compromises made to somewhat improve fuel economy, ride, etc., but its still not basically a car. I don't want to ride high up; I want something that drives like a car, has low rollover risk, and doesn't feel like a barge. Already got a minivan, don't need another.

i have a bmw x3 which is as close to a car feel as you can get. its basically the 3 series with a larger body. i owned quite a few hardcore 4x4's thru the years and although this is not an off road vehicle the all wheel drive system is the best i ever owned making it the perfect bad weather car

 

[rs0460a]

My thoughts on this...

I'm still going to be "pro-American" on this subject.

Regardless of the "bad press" on American made (e.g. the company is American, vs. only building them here) I'll continue to buy American.

Why? Simply because I don't want to send my $$$ (regardless of it's "value") to a foreign country. Even if the vehicle is built here, it's true that the worker gets income (to be spent in the U.S.) but the profit on a new vehicle still goes back to the foreign company (the dealer, regardless of where they are located, buys the vehicle from the "factory" - that's where the initial profit is made).

Using a "reverse example", Volvo is a brand that is basically manufactured in Europe (Brussels/Gothenberg, depending on model), but the company is currently owned by Ford. Initial (manufacturing) profits from the original sales of these cars go back to the "mother country" (e.g. U.S.) If you buy a Honda or BMW, and it's manufactured in the U.S. the profit on the new vehicle is returned to the company/country of orgin (Germany/Japan).

Maybe I'm just being "old fashoned", but that's the way I see it. Anyway, my last car (GM) I had on the road for 18 years before I traded it. Not because it stopped running, but I did want a model with at least one air bag (safety).

On a re-sale/used car, it dosen't make a difference on the model (I hear Honda's make good used cars); the "profit" is held within the buyer/seller (U.S.) I'm just looking at the orignal profit and impact to my country of birth.

- Ron

 

[mathjak107]

alot of those profits you hate to see foreign countries get are whats propping up our stock and bond markets but alas that dosnt make good political news

i only buy forieign products for one reason, it may represent the best value and superior product to me , i dont buy it because the emperor of japan promises to come to where i work and buy something from where i work . each country now excells pretty much at something else, its a world class market and i think anyone who only buys because of political, geographical or ethnic reasons does themselves and this country more harm then good.

just imagine if we never bought those high quality early japanese cars here. our auto companies would have still turned out those crappy inferior american cars never being forced to turn out a better product.

im as pro america as the next guy but i want the best value and superior products from wherever they may come from

 

[dumpster56]

SUV = a rough ride and poor gas mileage. Boy the american madison ave types sure did a great job snowing so many people in purchasing one of these things. Genius. Put a bow around a huge vehicle that gives women what they want some BIG THINGY that they lack from their significant other!

 

[Texas Proud]

Using a "reverse example", Volvo is a brand that is basically manufactured in Europe (Brussels/Gothenberg, depending on model), but the company is currently owned by Ford. Initial (manufacturing) profits from the original sales of these cars go back to the "mother country" (e.g. U.S.) If you buy a Honda or BMW, and it's manufactured in the U.S. the profit on the new vehicle is returned to the company/country of orgin (Germany/Japan).

- Ron

Sorry Ron, but I bet that all the profit on Volvo stays overseas.... it costs a lot to repatriate these profits which is why they buy other stuff over there.. and... what profit on a Volvo? (just had to throw that in )

I see you were in Vietnam... good for you and thanks.... but it sounds like my BIL late dad who was in WWII... he had bought a Mitusbishi TV... his dad was mad... said 'we shot those things down in the war'.... like the company that made the planes were the ones who shot at them...

I had a crap Ford... and they knew it was crap and did not tell anyone... but lost a lawsuit 10 or more years later... I could have gotten a $500 voucher to purchase a NEW FORD!!! So, if I buy crap, and you lose a lawsuit you want me to buy more crap? NOT ME... now, maybe they are a lot better today.... but Ford is off my list for a new car (even though I am buying a used Explorer from my sister)....

None of the GMs are that great except the new CUVs that are BIG... and they have decided to limit the production to keep the price up... no thanks...