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Big_Hitter 02-10-2016 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by zinger1457 (Post 1695215)
but in most cases being able to hit it long is a natural ability that you either have or you don't

totally disagree (as I'm sure would Ben Hogan) - the average person is capable of crushing the ball with the right technique

If you don't have at least a 170 yard 5-iron you aren't using your lower body enough at the start of the swing.

Some guys I know can hit a 5 iron 200+ and have killer short games.

However, short game is everything out there. I practice my short game more than anything.

48Fire 02-10-2016 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pb4uski (Post 1695227)
Walked 18 today for the first time in a long time. My home course is to hilly to walk 18... at best I walk the front 9 and ride the back 9. My legs were fine but my feet were hurting for the last few holes.

That's impressive! Been a while since I've walked 18. I walk 9 a lot, and that feels good.

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zinger1457 02-11-2016 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Big_Hitter (Post 1695343)
totally disagree (as I'm sure would Ben Hogan) - the average person is capable of crushing the ball with the right technique

Crushing the ball is all relative, for some it's a 300 yard drive, for your typical retired golfer it might be a 225 yard drive. Most of the retired golfers at the clubs I've played aren't capable of hitting a 5 iron 170 yards, very few if any of them carry 5 irons, most have switched to hybrids.

I've been golfing for 45 years and have never seen a short hitter turn into a long hitter although I have seen many spend a small fortune on new equipment and gadgets trying. I've read Ben Hogans excellent book "Five Lessons" and he certainly gives you keys to maximize your ability through a proper swing and making solid contact but don't recall him ever stating he can turn you into a long hitter.

Big_Hitter 02-11-2016 08:38 AM

I've seen several short hitters turn into long hitters with proper instruction and practice. Maybe I should have said "compressing" the ball instead of "crushing" the ball. I think it's difficult for the average person to break 80 consistently (like Hogan said) without compressing the ball, unless they are playing off the forward or ladies tees. An additional 30 to 50 yards off the tee makes a huge difference in my game at least. I have a much higher probability of paring a hole when I'm holding a wedge on my approach rather than a 6 iron.

I didn't start playing golf until I was 36 due to j*b related work/studying but I when I started, I played or practiced 5 days a week and averaged over 100 rounds a year for the first several years.


<--- won flight in sr club championship due to length and short game

Big_Hitter 02-16-2016 12:19 PM

well the leg work is paying off - I hit 5 greens yesterday and shot a 44 :o


Longest drive may have been about 280ish? All approach shots were with a 7, 8, 9, GW or SW


I 3-putted 4 times and had two penalty strokes. Time to work on the putting.

frayne 02-16-2016 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_Hitter (Post 1697725)
well the leg work is paying off - I hit 5 greens yesterday and shot a 44 :o


Longest drive may have been about 280ish? All approach shots were with a 7, 8, 9, GW or SW


I 3-putted 4 times and had two penalty strokes. Time to work on the putting.

There is no substitute for good a short game in shaving strokes off your score with the exception of a pencil with an eraser.

Big_Hitter 02-16-2016 04:09 PM

I normally MAYBE have 2 3 jacks a round.


Not sure what was going on. I think my hands weren't used to all the ball striking they were doing.


I've got the putting mat out now. Guna work on that all week.

jcretire77 02-16-2016 04:25 PM

Curious what everyone thinks about the new rules for 2016. I play a lot of rounds by myself and only post if I have kept an accurate card. With the new rule that will not be allowed. So much for a sport of integrity and honesty?

Playing alone and necessary peer review: To further
support the key System premise of peer review, scores
made while playing alone will no longer be acceptable
for handicap purposes. This change underscores the
importance of providing full and accurate information
regarding a player’s potential scoring ability, and the
ability of other players to form a reasonable basis for
supporting or disputing a posted score. (Section 5-1:
Acceptability of Scores)

Big_Hitter 02-16-2016 04:30 PM

I think it stinks. Guess I'll have to make sure DW comes out for 9 every time so she can witness.


BOO!


I really don't care about the vanity cappers. I also play a lot by myself.


I don't think we can turn scores in until 3/1 anyway.

jcretire77 02-16-2016 04:36 PM

It is a change in the USGA Rules of Golf and the USGA Handicap System that took effect in January. Not sure how it would possibly work. I don't pay attention to others much when I am playing with them. I certainly would not check their scorecard on each hole and I sure the heck would not remember by the end of the round what happened three hours previously. I don't play league or tournaments so not an impact at this time. It seems to be a ridiculous rule to me too.

Big_Hitter 02-16-2016 04:41 PM

League shouldn't really count for scoring because we concede putts in our format.

Medal play tournaments are important because they establish the sandbagging index.

jcretire77 02-16-2016 04:46 PM

I like that! The last thing where my poor handicap made any difference was a Chapman at Shadow Valley with my wife who has an even worse handicap.

You are right, I have filled in at league at Warm Springs a couple times. I forgot about gimmees.

Key Changes to Handicap System for 2016

Big_Hitter 02-16-2016 04:49 PM

I broke 40 a few times this year during league and my pro posted them. Took me a while to get those off the record.

pb4uski 02-16-2016 04:58 PM

I've been posting lots of scores recently and have no noticed any change in the posting procedure. While all my scores are with others they have no way of knowing that. Sounds stoopid to me and like they have no mechanism to verify but I don't play a lot of tournaments so I don't really care and our league keeps its own handicaps.

I post scores with gimmes... if anything it might be hurting me. I sometimes don't accept gimmes if I think they are too generous. I once tried to talk the guy who runs the league that we should putt out everything for par or better but he didn't want to change.

Big_Hitter 02-16-2016 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pb4uski (Post 1697866)
I've been posting lots of scores recently and have no noticed any change in the posting procedure. While all my scores are with others they have no way of knowing that. Sounds stoopid to me and like they have no mechanism to verify but I don't play a lot of tournaments so I don't really care and our league keeps its own handicaps.

I post scores with gimmes... if anything it might be hurting me. I sometimes don't accept gimmes if I think they are too generous. I once tried to talk the guy who runs the league that we should put out everything for par or better but he didn't want to change.

well technically the handicap committee (yes, every club has one) is supposed to police score posting, which would require looking at the tee sheet and days posted, for each score under these rules

the only time I ever heard from the handicap committee is that I play more often than I post scores but again, it depends on the game. If you are playing a greensome or a bloodsome against someone, that isn't postable. Plus there may be some wagering that involves mullies or whatever, that isn't postable either.

jcretire77 02-16-2016 05:04 PM

Ahh to dream. I finished last year at 16.5. I've never broken 80, which is my goal this year. Lowest nine hole was a 41 a year ago and the stars were aligned. Typically in the low 90's to high 80's.

Starting playing this so late in life gives me many, many things to work and improve upon.

pb4uski 02-16-2016 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_Hitter (Post 1697868)
well technically the handicap committee (yes, every club has one) is supposed to police score posting, which would require looking at the tee sheet and days posted, for each score under these rules
.....

That would be hard for them to do as close to half my scores are not at my home course (travel league). I rarely post a score at the club... usually on my phone via the GHIN app.

zinger1457 02-16-2016 09:11 PM

I agree it's a stupid rule that isn't enforceable but most of the rounds I play by myself are practice rounds to work on my pitching/chipping and putting around the greens so I usually have multiple balls in play. The peer review is a good concept but probably rarely used at most clubs. In my regular groups we usually keep our own scores so I usually wouldn't know what someone I'm playing with shot unless they mentioned after the round what they shot.

Big_Hitter 02-17-2016 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jcretire77 (Post 1697870)
Ahh to dream. I finished last year at 16.5.

16.5 is very respectable at your club - it's one of the toughest courses in the area - your index will travel well

birdie 02-17-2016 09:08 AM

Very surprised and disappointed by this rule change. As noted by jcretire77, so much for integrity and honesty. I recall winning a small event years ago. My partner commented, "you know how good we had to play to win this?" He was implying too many with inaccurate handicaps. No rule change will fix this. If a guy is going to cheat, you can't stop him. Ever see guys improve a bad lie? Give themselves nearly all 2 footers? Best to all!

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