Umbrella Insurance

But the max coverage for UM for my base policy is only $500k... in the example above, if Bob's damages are severe and he sues me for $800k and prevails then $300k comes out of my wealth... with UM on my umbrella I am fully covered and the insurer has 800,000 good reasons to give me the best defense possible.
 
*Its been I awhile since I looked at all of this. So, double check before acting on my statements. Also, auto insurance and tort law are State specific. Consult your insurance agent.

Passengers are not excluded in the BI section of an auto liability policy. The bodily injury section of an auto liability policy will pay for sums the insured is legally obligated to pay. So, first an injured passenger would need to establish that the driver of his vehicle was responsible and not the drunk driver. Depending on the State this might be possible. Some States allow comparative negligence. If the passenger meets this hurdle, the BI section of the policy would respond to the claim. If the passenger cannot show legal liability against the driver of his car, no claim exists against this driver. UM responds to a passenger even if the driver of his car is not liable and the at fault driver is underinsured. But you would not have any legal liability to make payments in the absence of UM.

Agents like to sell UM. Its high margin coverage. And, the losses are often covered under other policies. Many insurance policies preclude double payments. So, even if there is a claim, they will split it with the medical carrier or only be excess coverage.
 
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My auto policy is at max coverage for uninsured/underinsured. I had a agent friend tell me the add on to the umbrella is all just profit for the carrier.

Will check into that for my Umbrella.
 
Our original umbrella policy did not include a UM/UIM rider. It protected us only against liability for negligence in an auto or home accidents. Our base auto insurance has a max 300K in UM/UIM coverage so we added a rider on our umbrella for an additional 1M in coverage.


Our state has one of the lowest uninsured motorists rate in the nation but the coverage cost is so cheap it's worth the peace of mind.
 
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I too have to check my umbrella insurance but I believe I have covered to the max for car insurance. My kids did too, it was not a lot of money either.
 
Does anyone have access to umbrella/excess liability claims distribution data? A data distribution would tell what percent of claims you would be protected against at a given policy limit. As an example, the data may show 98% of claims are below $1M and 99% are below $2M. (In reality, I suspect the difference between $1M and $2M is less than 1% and both cover way over 99% of claims. But, just a guess.)

With one exception*(that I can think of), asset levels do not impact the above. Whether you have $1M or $2M in assets, both have the same risk of being sunk by a >$3M settlement or judgement. In other words, your risk of a large event does not change with a change in net worth. (see the exception below)

*That exception, yes you are more of a target as your wealth increases. Like bank robbers, plaintiffs tend to go where the money is. :)

Can you find a $3 million non-default judgment against an individual who wasn't DUI?

The reality is...the plaintiff takes the certain payoff of your policy limits, or they have to wait years for the possibility of any money until after trial & all appeals are exhausted.

The last liability (personal injury) case where I was peripherally involved was against an employer...took over 5 years...and the plaintiff lost, after rejecting a settlement of at least $1 million offered at the beginning of their litigation.
 
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^^My experience has been similar. Even if the plaintiff has a good case, there is a lot of pressure to take the insurance limits/offer available and move on. Lawsuits take years, are uncertain and stressful. But, that assumes reasonable limits are in place making resolution a good option for the plaintiff. High assets and low limits might give the plaintiff no choice but to proceed with a lawsuit.
 
They take at even lower amount. My sister’s friend hit some Mexicans here in California, they did sue but ended up settled for $500K per person. She had $5 million insurance, not sure umbrella or not, but she’s a doctor who worked late one night and didn’t see these people when she hit them.
 
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My umbrella went up 65% this year.

Evidently, last year they had a billing error and only charged me $3 for UM coverage... I had thought it strange that my umbrella premium went down so much but hadn't noticed that detail... and they corrected it this year.

That said... do those of you who buy an umbrella policy include uninsured motorist coverage? /[/url]

My California auto insurance carries uninsured motorist. My Umbrella insurance therefore does not carry that. Both are from the same company.

I am not sure how you file a claim in the event of an auto accident caused by an uninsured motorist. Do you file it against your umbrella if it carries UM? You will still need to report to your auto insurance, correct?
 
My base auto policy has UM too... with the same $500k limit as liability... and then the umbrella is on top of that.

My understanding is that you (or an injured party, like a passenger) would file a claim with your insurer.
 
My base auto policy has UM too... with the same $500k limit as liability... and then the umbrella is on top of that.

My understanding is that you (or an injured party, like a passenger) would file a claim with your insurer.


+1.


You file a claim with your auto insurance up to the UM policy limit then you file with the umbrella for the excess. On my umbrella policy documents it's called "excess UM/UIM coverage"
 
Can you tell me more about how the umbrella policy works? I assume it only kicks in after primary coverage is exceeded, yes? But what if your primary does not cover a certain event, will the umbrella still work?

Here is my situation - we live in a hurricane prone area (Hawaii) and have a separate policy for hurricane coverage because our homeowner's explicitly excludes hurricane damage. But the hurricane policy only covers damage to our structures, not to neighbors who are harmed by any trees from our property that fall on their houses. We have big trees and they worry me so I want to get coverage for that and was thinking an umbrella policy. Any ideas if it would work?


You must ALWAYS check your individual policy [i.e., in advance of any possible loss] as to what is covered, and excluded. That being said, Umbrella policies typically "drop down" and cover many losses that may not be covered by the underlying policy. However, this drop down coverage will likely have a substantial deductible.
 
My California auto insurance carries uninsured motorist. My Umbrella insurance therefore does not carry that. Both are from the same company.

I am not sure how you file a claim in the event of an auto accident caused by an uninsured motorist. Do you file it against your umbrella if it carries UM? You will still need to report to your auto insurance, correct?
They have it in my umbrella.
 
We have 1 million from Allstate and it costs $405 per year in NY. But I just got another quote from Progressive for the same at $235.


I would of course, have to move my auto policy to them. I already have homeowners with them. This would save me almost $500 per year if I decide to change to them.
 
My rule of thumb is to buy enough so that you know the insurance company will work hard not to pay it out.
There really is no absolute protection as the suing party can ask for the moon, so it's just how hard do you want the ins company to work.
My thinking too! Here in Texas my fallback plan to my umbrella policy and a ridiculous lawsuit is best expressed with this flag. Speaks for itself.


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I just don't think it's worth it. Umbrellas aren't that expensive.
 
We have 1 million from Allstate and it costs $405 per year in NY. But I just got another quote from Progressive for the same at $235.


I would of course, have to move my auto policy to them. I already have homeowners with them. This would save me almost $500 per year if I decide to change to them.

Generally, you will find you get the best overall deal if you have all your insurance with 1 company. So I'm not surprised you would save $500.
 
Generally, you will find you get the best overall deal if you have all your insurance with 1 company. So I'm not surprised you would save $500.




Not true. I have gotten quotes on all 3 policies from other carriers and way more expensive.
 
Wow, all this discussion about UM got me to take out my policies and read them for UM coverage. What a fine way to spend a morning. :facepalm:

UM is a scary problem, and I agree about it being more intense in FL. It is still a problem everywhere.

It is hard to be ready for every risk. However, one thing I've started doing is paying a lot of attention to turns and starts at controlled intersections, i.e. ones with traffic signals. I treat left and right turns on green arrows as potentially dangerous now, and check for cross traffic before proceeding. Same with starting at a fresh green light. Too many people not paying attention these days that may blow the light.

Of course, I'm not saying this solves the problem of UM liability of a passenger you have. I'm just saying that defensive driving is always a good plan.
 
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Wow, all this discussion about UM got me to take out my policies and read them. What a fine way to spend a morning. :facepalm:

It is hard to be ready for every risk. However, one thing I've started doing is paying a lot of attention to turns and starts at controlled intersections, i.e. ones with traffic signals. I treat left and right turns on green arrows as potentially dangerous now, and check for cross traffic before proceeding. Same with starting at a fresh green light. Too many people not paying attention these days that may blow the light..

I did the same thing! Still haven't decided whether to up my coverage.

I go through an intersection with a left green arrow every day. You have to get into a left turn only lane to take it. Oncoming traffic sometimes take right-on-red turns when my side has the left green arrow. After a close call, I now make sure my left arrow is on and make sure the other side is at a full stop.

I am so much more aware of risk in retirement. Thing is, whatever you have not thought about, is the thing that will end up happening.
 
We've got $2 mil in umbrella and paying $951.

Base price is 287-but there's a lot of add-ons-- 287

# of cars over 1 (3--we have 4 cars including DD) 224
uninsured motorist 390
(I thought that was included in our regular car ins)
rental condo (this seems pretty cheap) 23
excess millions coverage 368
(I guess that's just for going from $1 mil to 2 mil

minus multi policy discount -341

I had all this handy because I was just checking pricing to have DD25 on her own policy. Was told 1600 per year for car insurance; our car ins would go down by only 800 and umbrella only by $75 so that's not worth it.
 
It is hard to be ready for every risk. However, one thing I've started doing is paying a lot of attention to turns and starts at controlled intersections, i.e. ones with traffic signals.

I started doing that and a lot of other things after reading Proficient Motorcycling when I bought the motorcycle. One of the points he made in the book is that reading it will make you a better car driver as well, and I think it did.
 
My rule of thumb is to buy enough so that you know the insurance company will work hard not to pay it out.
There really is no absolute protection as the suing party can ask for the moon, so it's just how hard do you want the ins company to work.

We actually had to use our to defend ourselves against a frivolous lawsuit from a tenant. State Farm let the dogs out and it was dismissed, with prejudice.

We have umbrella coverage = our net worth. Our premium did go up a little after that was over.
 
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