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You must be wary of mushrooms...The mushroom theory...
You must be wary of mushrooms...The mushroom theory...
You must be wary of mushrooms...
Seniors are the least likely of all age groups in the U.S. to say that healthcare reform will benefit their personal healthcare situation. By a margin of three to one, 36% to 12%, adults 65 and older are more likely to believe healthcare reform will reduce rather than expand their access to healthcare. And by 39% to 20%, they are more likely to say their own medical care will worsen rather than improve.
Adding to Randyman's town hall meetings, here is a poll: Seniors Most Skeptical of Healthcare Reform
I'll agree with the general impression that this probably means they aren't paying attention (though a few with "Medicare Plus Choice" may be correct in worrying that reform will reduce the gov't payment to these plans).
I think this is partially a "don't like anything new" or "don't like bigger government" attitudes, and partially the fact that they have no recent personal experience with losing group insurance.
I'm not sure why people believe the Medicare crowd hasn't thought this through. Both the Senate finance committee proposal and the newly announced House proposal call for very large cuts in Medicare reimbursement rates for doctors. These seniors already know it's getting harder to find care providers that accept Medicare because of the low reimbursement rates. Maybe they have good reason to doubt that these plans will improve their situation.
Interestingly, they might be the only people in America who believe the government will actually do something to reduce Medicare expenditures.
I think this is partially a "don't like anything new" or "don't like bigger government" attitudes, and partially the fact that they have no recent personal experience with losing group insurance.
My mother's doctor retired recently, and she had an incredibly difficult time finding another doctor in her small city area who would take a Medicare patient. It might be easier in bigger cities, I don't know. But the reimbursement issue is going to be huge (if it happens).
Ben Franklin pulled it off at the age of 42 without pensions or healthcare, and made his portfolio last another four decades. Admittedly he picked up the odd free-lance writing job along with some research contracts. So maybe a better term would be ESR.
I think ER is wildly popular in the last couple years of every bull market, and extinct after the first year of every bear market...
I'm speaking from the experience of three recent town hall meetings (two of which were held by local congressmen). To a person, the ones screaming were senior citizens. And they were screaming loudly. The most common refrain was literally "Leave my Medicare alone!". I seriously doubt that any of them actually knew anything at all about any proposals.
Imagine how difficult it is from someone with no insurance at all. A single group protecting themselves at the expense of others doesn't have much of a high ground on which to stand.
It is good to know that there are some out there willing to throw their own self interest under the bus for the greater good. Keep up the good work.
Not everyone is selfish and heartless. Some people willingly sacrifice so others can survive. Others simply don't give a squirt about anyone other than themselves. I know both types.
I do not mind paying taxes to help the seniors and truly disabled. I resent monies and services for lazy and cash under the table working people who choose to game the system. Many of us know these people as well.
I'm not sure why people believe the Medicare crowd hasn't thought this through. Both the Senate finance committee proposal and the newly announced House proposal call for very large cuts in Medicare reimbursement rates for doctors. These seniors already know it's getting harder to find care providers that accept Medicare because of the low reimbursement rates. Maybe they have good reason to doubt that these plans will improve their situation.
Interestingly, they might be the only people in America who believe the government will actually do something to reduce Medicare expenditures.
I think we'll have a physician supply crisis if more and more patients are seen with Medicare's current reimbursement rates -- to say nothing of dropping them even more. I think many doctors (especially the older and more experienced ones) would simply retire or find another way to keep active rather than accept Medicare rates for more and more patients.
The only other way around this would be to prohibit the practice of not accepting Medicare patients, but that seems to have huge legal problems with it.
God forbid we have doctors wanting to enter practice because they want to heal people. The AMA has assured a shortage of doctors educated in the US by limiting educational resources. We import an awful lot of (great) doctors from countries whose medical lobby is not quite so strong - look up one of the original aims of the AMA: to enhanace doctors' salaries.
The French model - which costs about 2/3 the US' - employs more doctors and fewer nurses with average salaries dramatically lower than those in the US. In fact, a French GP is said to average $55k per year. Admittedly they don't have to deal with the malpractice insurance costs or the legacy debt of education. While I believe everyone who works hard, betters themselves, and makes sacrifices should enjoy a comfortable life, it should not come at the crippling expense of others.
As far as low Medicare reimbursement rates, my last doctor had a lot of senior patients, and would have them stacked up like cordwood in the waiting room and occupying five exam rooms at the same time. He was billing for each of them, spending an average of 3 or 4 minutes per patient.
Sounds great. Let's all have doctors working on secretary salaries. Sounds like we can all expect great service. Al least it's nothing important...just your health. Who do those doctors think they are anyway? Just because they went through many difficult years of schooling followed by several years of internship. Just because they have skills and abiliites that are in demand and exceed the skills required of most typical jobs. So what. They should accept their pay of less than a plumber or roofer and be happy about it. After all, we all went into our respective professions for nobler causes than to expect great pay for great work. Salary is so overrated.
And what do health care and education have in common? The true costs of both are mostly hidden from the consumer of the services, so we have a tendency to overconsume them because to us, they feel "cheaper" than it really is. This can lead to a situation where demand constantly exceeds supply and the result is rapid inflation.The simple fact is that in the areas of healthcare and education the rate of increase has double or tripled
Wow, that was a prompt and impressive non sequitur.Yeah, I guess my father in law overconsumed his share of cancer treatments. Selfish bastard.
Wow, that was a prompt and impressive non sequitur.
Yeah. What on Earth does that have to do with this Forum becoming extinct?