“Purpose” in Retirement -

I'm at the place where I enjoy helping others and sharing some knowledge. We have all amassed some experience and if I can, I will give some of that back. It does not have to be big life shattering stuff.
I worked outside all my life and my idea of fun is helping out when the weather is good, and making things in the shop when it is bad.
 
I retired last year at 55. My greatest satisfaction comes from serving others. I try to establish relationships in my neighborhood while out walking the dog. Once a certain level of trust is established, people are willing to open up about where they need help. If I am able, I try to help them.

Obviously, there are volunteer positions to help people too.
 
I w*rked 11+ hours a day, 22 out of 28days, for 30 years. I coached baseball, basketball, football, and soccer. I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout leader, and had rental SFH, duplex and a 4 unit townhouse apartment building, for 24 years. DW spent her time raising our 2 kids, and was a school teacher for 30 years. We also, cared for our elderly Mothers for 3 years before they passed.
In retirement, we have now stopped and are smelling the roses. We love picking some fresh produce out of the garden, grilling/smoking proteins, washing them down with our homemade award winning wines. We help out at a local winery, pouring at tastings and w*rking the crush pad during the wine grape harvest season. We have 5 grandchildren that we love to death, attending their baseball, soccer, T ball games. We take them to museums, science centers, sporting events and next year we will begin to take them on travel trips.
Our purpose is to love life each day as it comes, try to make those around us smile and laugh, and live life setting an example for others.
 
I w*rked 11+ hours a day, 22 out of 28days, for 30 years. I coached baseball, basketball, football, and soccer. I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout leader, and had rental SFH, duplex and a 4 unit townhouse apartment building, for 24 years. DW spent her time raising our 2 kids, and was a school teacher for 30 years. We also, cared for our elderly Mothers for 3 years before they passed.
In retirement, we have now stopped and are smelling the roses. We love picking some fresh produce out of the garden, grilling/smoking proteins, washing them down with our homemade award winning wines. We help out at a local winery, pouring at tastings and w*rking the crush pad during the wine grape harvest season. We have 5 grandchildren that we love to death, attending their baseball, soccer, T ball games. We take them to museums, science centers, sporting events and next year we will begin to take them on travel trips.
Our purpose is to love life each day as it comes, try to make those around us smile and laugh, and live life setting an example for others.
Your life story is very impressive. I recall the 12+ hour days at w*rk (don't miss 'em.) But I never was as active socially as you are. Not in my genes (heh, heh or in my jeans :cool: ) I guess. Good on you for all you do.
 
7 months into retirement, I find myself conflicted between finding "purpose" and becoming burdened with "obligations".

I think purpose is actually quite important. It gives the mind something to chew on and a reason to be active.

But I do not want a litany of obligations that come with that purpose. Perhaps I will relax on this a bit over time, but for me a big part of FIRE is the freedom to choose where I want to be at any given moment and the ability to not give a dang what anyone thinks of my performance on a given topic.
 
7 months into retirement, I find myself conflicted between finding "purpose" and becoming burdened with "obligations".

I think purpose is actually quite important. It gives the mind something to chew on and a reason to be active.

But I do not want a litany of obligations that come with that purpose. Perhaps I will relax on this a bit over time, but for me a big part of FIRE is the freedom to choose where I want to be at any given moment and the ability to not give a dang what anyone thinks of my performance on a given topic.

One consideration for me is, if the activities that come along with a purpose do not feel like obligations, but instead excite and energize me, it is a worthwhile endeavor.

One example: I was chatting with folks in an organization I volunteer for, about supporting a school in a remote location in Africa. My career work including running remote workshops, involving packaging equipment - servers and laptops to client location or a hotel and self up a self-contained environment to run the workshop. However, one big issue was that location might only get power for 12 hours a day.

Long story short, a few of us ended up doing some research and came across a solution which packaged chrome books, a server, and wireless router running off a battery in a single case. Open source software (Internet-In-A-Box, which has copies of many educational internet sites along with various courses and lesson plans) was loaded on the server. Since I had the most tech skills among the group, I had the tasks of conference calls with the folks providing the solution, receiving the equipment case, testing it out locally, loading a custom class the organization wanted to add, and shipping it to another location for loading onto a shipping containers. To many this might sound like work, but in truth it energized me. The few problems that popped up were interesting to to resolve, and knowing the bigger picture that this was something that would ultimately benefit a school location made none of the work feel like an obligation - but, that is just me. :)
 
One consideration for me is, if the activities that come along with a purpose do not feel like obligations, but instead excite and energize me, it is a worthwhile endeavor.

One example: I was chatting with folks in an organization I volunteer for, about supporting a school in a remote location in Africa. My career work including running remote workshops, involving packaging equipment - servers and laptops to client location or a hotel and self up a self-contained environment to run the workshop. However, one big issue was that location might only get power for 12 hours a day.

Long story short, a few of us ended up doing some research and came across a solution which packaged chrome books, a server, and wireless router running off a battery in a single case. Open source software (Internet-In-A-Box, which has copies of many educational internet sites along with various courses and lesson plans) was loaded on the server. Since I had the most tech skills among the group, I had the tasks of conference calls with the folks providing the solution, receiving the equipment case, testing it out locally, loading a custom class the organization wanted to add, and shipping it to another location for loading onto a shipping containers. To many this might sound like work, but in truth it energized me. The few problems that popped up were interesting to to resolve, and knowing the bigger picture that this was something that would ultimately benefit a school location made none of the work feel like an obligation - but, that is just me. :)
That’s great. I think it’s a good example of something healthy.
 
I am 76 years old and have been retired for 15 years, so I have had some time to think about all this. Here's what I wrote about "purpose" in retirement, in an earlier thread on the topic:

"I think a purpose is important for, say, a hammer, a wrench, a sewing kit, or a new high-salaried employee. I am none of the above. I can spend all day sleeping, doing jigsaw puzzles, or hugging a puppy, and feel perfectly fine about fulfilling my "purpose" during these later years of my life."
 
I always knew I would retire as soon as I could, a couple of weeks before turning 54. I was a PE/Science teacher for almost 30 years. Also coached various sports etc. Single until I was in my late 40's....no way I could have gone home and done the "family thing". I needed a couple of hours of quiet/relaxing time before doing it all again the next day....and weekends. I'm now married and play golf a fair bit, so I use that as my social time. My wife and I are both semi-hermits. I have a nice brush cutter that I use to maintain the local dog walking paths (up to a couple of miles away) which would be completely overgrown if I didn't do it. I also do some work on the trails along the river. It's enough for me.
 
We are semi-retired and I am always short on time. If I think back, my days are filled with lots of hobbies, spiritual work and activities with friends (in that order). May be you can try some of those. I had a (much older) retired couple council with us a couple of years back: we advised them to make a list of every wish they ever had, anything they ever wondered to try, search up activity groups on meetup, etc. and most importantly TRY EVERYTHING. You will be surprised to discover some things that will match your personality and 'stick'! As they say, don't retire from something but retire to something.
 
"Purpose" is a story the remembering self tells itself. The experiencing self has no need for "purpose".

I think a lot of retired people think they ought to be helpful as opposed to having a deep caring. So that's a recipe for dissatisfaction.

A book called "From Strength to Strength" was an interesting exploration, but didn't shake anything loose for me. Might be worth a read, though because I don't get jazzed from "service" work. Not that the book is exclusively about that... it's about finding something you're good at, and enjoy.

One thing that's probably legit is to find a way to increase a sense of awe. I like that better than "purpose". We have it when we are kids, effortlessly. I'd go back to a happy-go-lucky kids' disposition; to hell with "purpose". The problem is that it's not easy to cultivate a sense of awe. Mindfulness meditation can do it. It's free, anyone can do it, but requires motivation. And a beginner has no idea if it's going to be worth all the time. Of course the time displaced by a retiree's meditation would probably be taken up by mind wandering or a mindless distraction, so not much lost. One thing a beginner can do is prove that there's "something to be found" using psychedelics, which are legal in some places. To do it right requires preparation, an experienced practitioner, and follow up. A lot of "work", but pretty much guaranteed to shake something loose.

I think what "purpose" is perceived to be providing is avoidance of the "Groundhog Day" effect (referring to the Bill Murray movie where he lives the same day over and over). I think that seeing yourself as less separate from the world, more a part of it is helpful. Really, each of us is a miracle, but we don't typically see ourselves as a fruit, arriving out of a branch on the "earth tree" (coming out of the earth as an apple comes out of an apple tree), but that perspective is available, through meditation/contemplation. I know, suggesting the earth "peoples", like an apple tree "apples" is wacky, but a perspective change can make a big difference.

One last thought. Another free thing, but one that takes effort and might leave you in doubt about if it's "worth it" is to journal on your different roles. Do you feel authentic in the role where you are serving others? What's each role got going for it? Maybe the role of "dog dad" is so fulfilling that nothing else is necessary. That ain't me, but I'm saying not to have any "shoulds" in there; be honest about how each role makes you feel.
 
Another factor is creative drive. Most of us aren't Newtons or Beethovens or Rembrandts, but consider.... Beethoven died at age 57, and continued composing right up to the end, or nearly so. Imagine if instead he lived until 87, but ceased composing at 57! What then? What would have become of his "purpose"? Or what if Rembrandt stopped painting at some point in late middle age, but lived for decades longer? Or if Newton stopped doing math? In the creative professions, we never really stop creating, or if we do, there is a jolting psychological adjustment. This is why university professors go Emeritus, instead of quitting wholesale and moving to the beach. In their 80s or whatnot, they don't want to supervise students or to compete for grants, but they still want to come into the office, to dabble in research, to collaborate with colleagues, to write papers, even to go to conferences.

Let's run with that example. Imagine that Smith is a professor at a liberal arts college in New England, teaching comparative literature. Smith is in his 50s, and has spent a lifetime diligently saving and investing. One day, Smith gets caught-up in the socio-political movements of the day, commits some blunder, and gets fired. Blacklisted, Smith can't get an academic job anywhere else, and isn't suited to working in an ad-agency, a bank, or Google. So, Smith retires. Financially, he's alright. But what of his "purpose"?
 
Good thread. Another aspect of this to me is a sense of societal obligation. Admittedly odd for a guy who earlier side I don't want obligations on my time.

Even more so now that I've FIRE'd, I remain keenly aware of how fortunate I am. Even more aware actually as I sit here tapping away on ER.org while looking at the clock to ensure I don't miss my tee time. DW and I routintely look at each other and say "Our life is sort of ridiculous."

Early 50s, completely financially independent with zero debt, kids college paid paid DD1 off to a good start and DD2 finishing college, beach house (mixed rental/use), with money to travel, play golf, and hire physical trainer.

We got here through lots of hard work, decades of planning, and a strong combination of earning & saving. It was not an accident or a lottery.

Still ... we are fortunate, have been lucky in many regards, and I'm honest enough with myself to know that over time I developed serious leadership skills. Skills that perhaps I should be putting to use somewhere.

In my corporate life I worked hard to advance my employees in a business with national economic implications. It did, in fact, lend a lot of purpose to my life. I've yet to find a new normal in this regard. Time will tell.
 
My purpose in retirement is to do those things I enjoy doing or wish to do. I've always wanted to learn to weld for example. I now can weld. I love fresh fruits and vegetables. Now I grow enough that I set a table at the mailbox with free food for my neighbors. I enjoy camping and fishing, so I bought an RV and a boat. I love to fly helicopters. It's expensive if you aren't being paid for it I found out though. Ha! But I'd rather NOT fly them than do it for work ever again.
Meaning of life after a lifetime of service is to enjoy living! It's not that complicated.
 
Let's run with that example. Imagine that Smith is a professor at a liberal arts college in New England, teaching comparative literature. Smith is in his 50s, and has spent a lifetime diligently saving and investing. One day, Smith gets caught-up in the socio-political movements of the day, commits some blunder, and gets fired. Blacklisted, Smith can't get an academic job anywhere else, and isn't suited to working in an ad-agency, a bank, or Google. So, Smith retires. Financially, he's alright. But what of his "purpose"?
If he feels his "purpose" is to teach, there are many, many opportunities to do that. Even for money if he wanted to teach an adult education course (eg: Colorado Free University, which isn't free) or tutor. Or he could share his love of literature on YouTube. Become a book critic? Lead a book group? At least he saved and invested so he could retire and not HAVE to work! Smart guy.
 
My purpose:
(1) Maintenance - keep things working
(2) Repair - fix what's broken
(3) Disposal - properly dispose of things that are irreparable

Right now these three items take most of my time. The folks with a lot of free time must be better at out-sourcing than I am. :)
 
My purpose:
(1) Maintenance - keep things working
(2) Repair - fix what's broken
(3) Disposal - properly dispose of things that are irreparable

Right now these three items take most of my time. The folks with a lot of free time must be better at out-sourcing than I am. :)
In addition to out-sourcing, I do a lot of ignoring. This needs fixed, that needs replaced - aaahhhhh! Tomorrow! You know they say that tomorrow never comes. Some truth to that though YMMV.
 
My purpose in retirement is to be the best golfer that I can be. I played in a tournament representing our club, and we are part of a private club league yesterday and we won. My purpose is fulfilled for the day. I have another one next week.
 
In addition to out-sourcing, I do a lot of ignoring. This needs fixed, that needs replaced - aaahhhhh! Tomorrow! You know they say that tomorrow never comes. Some truth to that though YMMV.
One of the best things about retirement is that I can always do it tomorrow. Of course tomorrow I may just goof off again. :2funny:
 
Please help me find the elusive Purpose in my retirement .

My background -
We both retired in 2015, am 68 & DW 63, worked hard for 30yrs after coming to US with a professional degree but as dirt poor legal immigrants.

Have a large savings portfolio now with projections showing leaving much money to kids & charities when we pass, thanks to the available opportunities.
I have been a 30+ yr Vanguard Index investor DIYer & market has treated me well overall, have been lucky to find & be a part of this & bogleheads forum for decades. We have a DAF at Fidelity & have been doing more & more donations to charities.

I volunteer 4 days in a month at nearby free clinics, wife does weekly Meals on Wheels.

Beyond that all the rest of time is spent on lots of socializing with friends, social functions, doctor visits, weekly temple, visits to kids/grandkids, taking care of a smart 11 yr old Schnauzer , but all the house cleaning, the lawn & handy man work around the house is all hired out as money is not much of a concern at this stage in life & I am not good at these jobs anyway and the learning curve will be very steep if I begin to try, I help out DW some in the kitchen.
We go for occasional walks with our dog on the trails & in our neighborhood & also occasional Gym visits. We help out at the monthly Senior meetings & I have spoken to this & for such meetings about health topics.

We travel within US, and often to Europe & India, at least it seems more than what our friends/ people around us do. We had a RV for initial 2-3 yrs of our retirement & travelled extensively across the country but sold it when its storage days got to be many more rather than being used.

So my main point is I do not have any particular purpose per se in my life right now & everything regarding retirement I read about centers around finding the Purpose.
I did have an engrossing career with many 12-14 hour days a norm for 30 yrs.

I volunteered at the County Gardening Center weekly for a few years but my weak leg after the unfortunate road accident which ended my career comes in the way of sitting & kneeling on to the ground, so that was that.

Many days a vacant & a rather depressing day stares at me when I get up.
My initiative seems to be dying out to go and find that elusive activity & I am afraid my 70s & beyond will be worse, apart from these seemingly superficial social interactions & getting inactive & lazier.

So in the end the summary of my worry & this long post is that the money angle is fine but the non money part needs lot of work to be done by me.
I did not have ANY hobbies while I was busy working, my bad.

How do/did you find that purpose, please share, maybe although late in life I can start doing that activity .

Thanks & regards
The thing I find most rewarding in retirement is spending time with friends. This is missing from your post. But it is never too late to reach out to old friends. You should do that!!
 
I enjoyed all the different replies and angles to what "purpose" is. I have been retired for over 10 years. When working, I always had all sorts of interests going on besides work. In fact...most of those years I felt the job got in the way of Life. Have any of you felt that way? I maxed everything out (401, IRA's, investments) so I could retire early. I am really happy to have the freedom now to follow my interests. I don't see it as having a "purpose". It is just nice to be able to do the things I like whenever I want and not be tied down and boxed in. Hunting, fishing, in my workshop making and fixing things, hiking with friends, etc. Each day is what I want it to be. It is important to get out and do things out of your comfort zone. Early on, I was on several boards, but since have given that stuff up...too controlling for me now. Boards I discovered are like home owners organizations. I am 66 now. A question for you folks that are pilots ...I wonder if I am too old to get my glider rating/license? Going for a ride blew my socks off...incredible! Physically in pretty good shape.
 
"When working, I always had all sorts of interests going on besides work. In fact...most of those years I felt the job got in the way of Life. Have any of you felt that way?"

Yes.
 
My purpose in retirement is to enjoy finding out how to live the best life I can.
 
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