48, very nervous about coming retirement

Selling investment properties can pay off the mortgage but I am thinking about downsize. My son is going to college in 7 years so probably downsize by that time. I am not sure.

Good options. 👍

With no net income from the rentals, I'd be inclined to sell them and pay off the mortgage before downsizing. This is advice from a stranger on the internet, so take it for what it's worth...

Step back for a moment. Your household income prior to expected layoff is ~$400k and your after-tax spend is ~130k. $2.5MM in portfolio - excluding rentals. You are - even with a layoff - in great shape. Take a breath and congratulate yourselves. Maybe have a small, private celebration.
 
Might be worth scrutinizing expenses to make that $200K stretch further. Its difficult in our current economy but maybe you can find a few things to forego . Part time job seems like a slam dunk to cover what the $200k will not...find something fun to do. it will do you good !

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3 - Drill into your expenses. When one person stops working maybe there are things that used to be outsourced that you can do? Maybe the eating out line gets smaller? Regardless, a $1 of after tax spending cut is about $1.30 of income not needed.
This was my thought as well. Making more money (needing to w*rk) isn't very efficient - especially at your tax rate. BUT saving money is dollar for dollar (save a dollar is like making a dollar.).

You may have to play the "bad guy" when it comes to saving until it becomes instinctive in your family. That would be my first move - cut expenses.

Best luck. I'm sure you can do this!
 
Based on you current expenses and assets, it would be best to continue to work. You can take a break but you will have to get on the running wheel again.

But wait, there is an alternative. Are you willing to make lifestyle cuts? i.e. reduce your expenses? If you are willing to let go your current house and move into your nicest rental then you can make the numbers work with just one income. Or you can look at cutting other expenses but housing is typically the single biggest expense, so I would start there.

We were on a consumption band wagon at some point my past (and spending way too much) as my income exploded. We did save and invest, maxed out 401K, etc. but we lived lavishly all things considered. One day it hit me; what if I loose my job? We are a single-earner family so the ramifications could be grave. We started tightening the belt from that day and 10 years later, we are financially independent.

Like they say, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Something has to give.
 
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So we are $10-20k short if I don’t work.

I got PTSD from this toxic workplace and really don’t have courage to look for another job. But please also let me know if I have to work. Thanks
I think you are looking at "work" in a very binary way. Either don't work at all or work at a full time 9-5 (or more) corporate high pressure 6-figure income job. There are infinite possibilities between those two extremes, especially in today's world and gig economy. Picking up an extra 10-20K/yr is pretty darn simple and certainly doesn't require getting a traditional job.

Do you have any hobbies or crafts that you can monetize? My wife sews and crochets, for example. At a decent craft fair, she can bring in around $800 in a day. I sell all sorts of stuff online (ebay and another platform). My gross sales for 2024 were $27,000 and I expect to be in the 32-35K range this year. After expenses and taxes, I'll walk away with about 20K profit.

Do you have any specialized training or skill set that you can put to use earning money? Does your career lend itself to freelancing or consulting gigs? Maybe you're great at math or science and could start tutoring students in your neighborhood. We have a friend who is 75 and a retired teacher but she still does math tutoring and SAT prep. I don't know what the going rate is but when our daughter was in high school (she's 29 now) tutors were getting $60/hr so I'm sure it's even more now. Maybe you're handy around the house and can pick up handyman work in the area. Our handyman is in his 70s and retired a long time ago. He charges very reasonable prices because he loves what he's doing and being able to get out and meet people and help them with their issues.

And then there are endless "fun" jobs if you ask around. When my uncle retired to a 55+ community in Florida, he ended up running the little snack bar in the clubhouse. This was a man who had never cooked a meal in his life but in his 80s absolutely loved preparing simple foods and serving his neighbors. They even renamed the place after him.

My point is that there are many, many ways to earn extra money that don't involve high stress full time employment. 10-20K is hardly anything. Find something that you love doing and you'll make that much in no time.
 
My first reaction is OP should seek another position. First, at her level it won't happen overnight, so when not hunting for empl*yment remaining time is indeed "downtime." If/when she gets an offer, she can always turn it down if she doesn't feel ready or just gets bad vibes from the new company. Second reaction is to cut back on expenses, and first place to start is not eating out as often, and when eating out don't order drinks. Hubby can brown bag lunches. etc. etc.
 
Hi, I am going to be laid off from a mega corp. I am very nervous about my financial situation and don’t know whether I can handle the retirement.

Husband works in another mega corp with income a little less than 200k. My income is almost the same so half of the income will be gone. Without my income, he can take home $120k per year after tax, insurance and other things. Our expenditure is $50k mortgage +80k in living cost. So we are $10-20k short if I don’t work.

Around $2mm in both 401k, but I can’t withdraw it. Rent from 3 rental houses just cover the mortgages and all the repairs. So no income from rental houses. My own house +3 rentals =$1mm in asset.

$300k in Roth IRA and 200k in checking account.

Those numbers are for both of us. Hubby is fine that I don’t work, because he doesn’t care about money lol.

One child. I have put $80k in 529 so college tuition will not be an issue.

Before I can withdraw 401k at age 59, I have 11 years to go with the $200k cash. I have a lot of stress feeling that it is not enough.

Should I put half of the $200k in SPY and the rest in bond? Please let me know whether you feel too risky for me to retire. I got PTSD from this toxic workplace and really don’t have courage to look for another job. But please also let me know if I have to work. Thanks
The main thing you can control is your expenses.
Let's start with the obvious
* Do you own expensive real estate?
* Do you own luxury vehicles?
* Do you belong to a golf club and/or play golf?
* Do you buy/use expensive stuff, think clothes, appliances, food, restaurants, and flights?
* If you live in CA, NY and other expensive city, maybe move to cheaper cities.

It's time to think about skipping the luxury. I'm sure over 80% of Americans can live on much less.
 
*Run firecalc, what does it say?
*Answer the questions in the ER FAQ section:
Some Important Questions to Answer Before Asking - Can I Retire?
*Apply for Unemployment after you are laid off
*Take time to de stress, review your living expenses and see where you could cut back if needed

It seems you will be Ok, you have your rentals you could sell if absolutely necessary. So you are better off than many
Best of Luck to you.
 
Rental property should not be just break even cash flow wise. IMO, If the rental revenue is just covering the mortgages and repairs either you are not charging enough or the properties are not worth holding.
 
Rental property should not be just break even cash flow wise. IMO, If the rental revenue is just covering the mortgages and repairs either you are not charging enough or the properties are not worth holding.
The market has been bad since last year. The rents can cover the mortgage, which is not bad. I am thinking about selling those properties to get cash
 
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*Run firecalc, what does it say?
*Answer the questions in the ER FAQ section:
Some Important Questions to Answer Before Asking - Can I Retire?
*Apply for Unemployment after you are laid off
*Take time to de stress, review your living expenses and see where you could cut back if needed

It seems you will be Ok, you have your rentals you could sell if absolutely necessary. So you are better off than many
Best of Luck to you.
To my surprise, fire calculator run 100% successful rate for 50 years. As I input net asset of 3.5mm and living cost of $100k. I plan to sell my house in case I need. I guess my issue is more of cash as 401k can’t be easily withdrawn
 
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I think you are looking at "work" in a very binary way. Either don't work at all or work at a full time 9-5 (or more) corporate high pressure 6-figure income job. There are infinite possibilities between those two extremes, especially in today's world and gig economy. Picking up an extra 10-20K/yr is pretty darn simple and certainly doesn't require getting a traditional job.

Do you have any hobbies or crafts that you can monetize? My wife sews and crochets, for example. At a decent craft fair, she can bring in around $800 in a day. I sell all sorts of stuff online (ebay and another platform). My gross sales for 2024 were $27,000 and I expect to be in the 32-35K range this year. After expenses and taxes, I'll walk away with about 20K profit.

Do you have any specialized training or skill set that you can put to use earning money? Does your career lend itself to freelancing or consulting gigs? Maybe you're great at math or science and could start tutoring students in your neighborhood. We have a friend who is 75 and a retired teacher but she still does math tutoring and SAT prep. I don't know what the going rate is but when our daughter was in high school (she's 29 now) tutors were getting $60/hr so I'm sure it's even more now. Maybe you're handy around the house and can pick up handyman work in the area. Our handyman is in his 70s and retired a long time ago. He charges very reasonable prices because he loves what he's doing and being able to get out and meet people and help them with their issues.

And then there are endless "fun" jobs if you ask around. When my uncle retired to a 55+ community in Florida, he ended up running the little snack bar in the clubhouse. This was a man who had never cooked a meal in his life but in his 80s absolutely loved preparing simple foods and serving his neighbors. They even renamed the place after him.

My point is that there are many, many ways to earn extra money that don't involve high stress full time employment. 10-20K is hardly anything. Find something that you love doing and you'll make that much in no time.
I will explore more opportunities. Currently I am in burn out condition. I am like dream walking the entire day in office lol
 
I will explore more opportunities. Currently I am in burn out condition.
Understood. Just something to keep in mind once you decompress. There are lots of different ways to earn money without getting another full time high stress job. Lots of fun things you can do to earn 10K or 20K or more each year.
 
To my surprise, fire calculator run 100% successful rate for 50 years. As I input net asset of 3.5mm and living cost of $100k. I plan to sell my house in case I need. I guess my issue is more of cash as 401k can’t be easily withdrawn

That doesn't surprise me with a WR of 2.9%. You need to add federal and state (if any) taxes to that - federal taxes for $100k income, MFJ, standard deduction are ~$8k. You'll almost certainly still be fine.
 
I'll also echo some other posters - I don't know your background and skills (and I'm not asking), but there are a *lot* of options between a $200k megacorp j*b and not w*rking.
 
To my surprise, fire calculator run 100% successful rate for 50 years. As I input net asset of 3.5mm and living cost of $100k. I plan to sell my house in case I need. I guess my issue is more of cash as 401k can’t be easily withdrawn
Few things:
1. You are expected to input "invested portfolio total" in FireCalc and NOT net worth.
2. Expenses should include taxes.
3. Based on your family earning and net worth, I doubt that your real expense would be $100K. Please double check expenses. It is best to track your real expenses for at least couple of years. Then you adjust them with added healthcare cost, travel cost, lumpy item car/roof/furness/etc. cost....
 
Take the time to scrutinize your spending. I almost never made half that much but learned how to save. We rarely ate out and I cook as well as many restaurants. One thing to look at is subscriptions. Another is the fact that you both have been working at high powered corporate jobs and have not had much time to take care of the home front on your own. You might have a yard service, home cleaning service, eat out a lot, etc. That is just a guess, and I could be wrong. We certainly did all that stuff during the working years.

Look at your bank and credit card statements-go back a year and make a spreadsheet looking at your spending. You'd be surpirse how much cutting the monthly bills by more careful spending adds up.

One other thing-having that much cash on hand can make it tempting to spend excessively. Put most of it into safe investments, such as short term treasuries or CDs. Cash loses value to inflation. Even that cash can make at least a little bit of money helps to keep up with inflation.
 
Take the time to scrutinize your spending. I almost never made half that much but learned how to save. We rarely ate out and I cook as well as many restaurants. One thing to look at is subscriptions. Another is the fact that you both have been working at high powered corporate jobs and have not had much time to take care of the home front on your own. You might have a yard service, home cleaning service, eat out a lot, etc. That is just a guess, and I could be wrong. We certainly did all that stuff during the working years.

Look at your bank and credit card statements-go back a year and make a spreadsheet looking at your spending. You'd be surpirse how much cutting the monthly bills by more careful spending adds up.

Good advice. $200k megacorp j*bs likely require long hours. Retiring means being able to cook for yourself - if that's what you want. Take a good look at recurring charges (such as subscriptions) - are you getting good value from them? Are there services you would prefer to do yourselves, given that being retired you now have the time to do them?

Heh. My company was building a plant in a remote location in the mid-2000s. I was flying out on Sunday mornings and flying back on Friday nights. No way did I want to use the 1.5 days/week for lawn work - we hired it out. After project completion I realized that I'd rather continue that service than save the money by doing the lawn work myself. We still hire it out.

Bottom line - spend on what's important *to you*. And cut out what isn't.
 
Another consideration for the OP is that with the halving of gross annual W2 income, the tax burden is reduced by far more than one half. It is highly nonlinear. It really helps to be married and to have a dependent child. With the lower income, now the OP and her husband might qualify for the various child-credit benefits, for which earlier, they were too "high income". Point being, that the husband's take-home pay might be higher than the $120K that the OP was projecting.
 
Rentals covers the mortgage. It is also a big hassle to sell those rentals so we are keeping them for now.

The issue is that I am damaged by this job so much that I can’t even think about working….
It shouldn't really be too much hassle. Get an agent and let them do the work. Get your money out of the rentals and invest that to make up the difference.
 
Another consideration for the OP is that with the halving of gross annual W2 income, the tax burden is reduced by far more than one half. It is highly nonlinear. It really helps to be married and to have a dependent child. With the lower income, now the OP and her husband might qualify for the various child-credit benefits, for which earlier, they were too "high income". Point being, that the husband's take-home pay might be higher than the $120K that the OP was projecting.
Yup. Best practice would be to do a separate calculation of your taxes under the new situation using IRS & State Tax Calculator | 2005 -- 2025 or the What-If Worksheet in TurboTax of some similiar tool.
 
I think that you are in a good position. Congratulations, you had a plan to put away money for retirement and are almost there. A little hiccup with your impending layoff, but since you have a plan, there’s a little cause for panic.
I echo all others, review expenses, and see where you are at.
As far as your income properties, what was the purpose behind those? What was your plan and goal?
In general, I would say that a rental property doesn’t cash flow should be sold, there are circumstances, however, that warrant keeping them. I do not know where they are located, but if these are properties located in Palo Alto purchased 20 years ago, I would say keep them. If they are in a location without a huge growth potential I would probably advocate selling them, at least make a plan for the disposition of the properties. Likely better to do per year than all at once.
But I come back to what was the intent of these properties? if they’re purchased for appreciation and that is happening, I would keep the rest. But if you don’t have a plan, I would probably divest as soon as possible. I am a proponent of rental properties, I never counted on appreciation for ours, but have been lucky enough for them to double in value over the last eight years. Our cash flow however, has increased from $150 bucks per door per month to over $500 per door per month despite the increase in property tax insurance and with some capital project each year.
I suspect that at this point, if your husband is wanting to work some more years, he could probably cut back on his investment savings and coast while letting the nest egg grow. that would likely give you the cash to cover the shortfall that you need.

Sit down, review your plan, how lkk on ng do you both want to work, review the rental property intent, how much do you spend and how much do you want to spend. Your plan for what to do in retirement is also important.

You should be proud of yourself for being this close!
 
I left my stressful job at age 47 with intentions of taking a break and then going back to work. That was 10 years ago. We made it work and I still say I will go back to work if I need to. These past 10 years were the best of my life, and if I have to work at WalMart it was worth it.
 
I left my stressful job at age 47 with intentions of taking a break and then going back to work. That was 10 years ago. We made it work and I still say I will go back to work if I need to. These past 10 years were the best of my life, and if I have to work at WalMart it was worth it.

That's the spirit!! :flowers:
 

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