Any VT Divorcees Here? Advice Please

So Ready, you are hurt and angry. You have every right to be hurt and angry. In your situation I would be very angry. I’ve never gone through a divorce but I know what it is like to have a husband who doesn’t pull his weight financially. DH has never made even half of my teacher’s salary. If we were to divorce I would probably have to pay him a portion of my pension for the rest of his life and I would resent it. But listen to the posters here, you will only hurt yourself further by pursuing this. Listen to your lawyer.

Find yourself a therapist and/or a support group. I like the suggestion of making sure that he can’t come back wanting more in a few years, because he will run through the money he gets. Eventually you will know that living well is the best revenge.
 
I'm with the majority here; walk away and count your blessings. IF and that's a big IF, I were in your shoes and wanted to ask him for anything, it would be a fully paid-up life insurance policy for X amount of dollars with you as beneficiary. The idea is that you will celebrate when the rat dies some day and give him some thought about how he might treat someone in the future who would benefit from his death.

I'm unsure about applying for Social Security though based on his earnings. Others here might chime in about that possibility; using his SS while yours grows to full maximum.
We both already draw our own SS, and mine is quite a bit higher than his.
 
We both already draw our own SS, and mine is quite a bit higher than his.
Is it twice as much? He could be getting half of what you get if his is really low...

And if you pass before him he will get a bump up to your amount... so another thing you can be mad about but no money from you...
 
Is it twice as much? He could be getting half of what you get if his is really low...

And if you pass before him he will get a bump up to your amount... so another thing you can be mad about but no money from you...
Just make sure to not die before him.
 
You did really well to get out paying less than 1/2.... my ex was a stay at home mom. Never contributed financially or even a decision to accumulate the net worth of the clan. 30 years together she wants out... classic "grey divorce" . Empty nesters with grey hair and one looks at the othe and says "I am NOT going to spend the next 30 years alone with YOU". She filed the day our son left for college.

In the divorce negotiations her bulldog lawyer kept pouncing on the theme of "she has nothing, no education, no job experience .... blaa blaa blaa". In the end I agreed to take care of the mother of my children. She got 75% and I got 25%. Because hers was all after tax. And I knew I had the means to make it back.
 
You did really well to get out paying less than 1/2.... my ex was a stay at home mom. Never contributed financially or even a decision to accumulate the net worth of the clan. 30 years together she wants out... classic "grey divorce" . Empty nesters with grey hair and one looks at the othe and says "I am NOT going to spend the next 30 years alone with YOU". She filed the day our son left for college.

In the divorce negotiations her bulldog lawyer kept pouncing on the theme of "she has nothing, no education, no job experience .... blaa blaa blaa". In the end I agreed to take care of the mother of my children. She got 75% and I got 25%. Because hers was all after tax. And I knew I had the means to make it back.
Wow. That sucks.
 
You did really well to get out paying less than 1/2.... my ex was a stay at home mom. Never contributed financially or even a decision to accumulate the net worth of the clan. 30 years together she wants out... classic "grey divorce" . Empty nesters with grey hair and one looks at the othe and says "I am NOT going to spend the next 30 years alone with YOU". She filed the day our son left for college.

In the divorce negotiations her bulldog lawyer kept pouncing on the theme of "she has nothing, no education, no job experience .... blaa blaa blaa". In the end I agreed to take care of the mother of my children. She got 75% and I got 25%. Because hers was all after tax. And I knew I had the means to make it back.
If this POFS has an "accident" I am more than happy to provide an alibi. Just sayin.

Our legal system in this regard has been such a tragic and unbelievable joke for so long.
 
I think your anger and rationale is justified. You clearly were the responsible partner yet you are suffering and not necessarily being treated equitably. However, as others have said, he’s now someone else’s problem and you are free. Betrayal hurts and it takes awhile to go through the grieving process. But, you will get through it and come out the other side stronger and ultimately better off fiscally and emotionally. Go see a lawyer and see what your options are or just let it go.
 
It seems so unfair and hurtful when a good person gets taken advantage of which sounds like the case here. Perhaps going after him will help give you some closure for giving so much in the relationship only to have him turn around and try to take more than he deserved because of the type of person he is. The crux of it is if you go this path and even if you win in the end you might still lose. Yes you will get what is right if it's judged in your favor but what have you given up in time and emotional baggage during what's sure to turn into a possibly long and ugly fight? Maybe you need to do this but I pray you can find the strength to let it go so you can start your new journey and not give this not so good person any more investments of your time and soul. Either way I wish I could give you a hug. You don't deserve this.
 
My only advice to you is maybe have your attorney add a clause to your divorce that your ex cannot ever take you back to court for more money once it is finalized. I've seen it too many times that one of the parties makes going to court a hobby to squeeze 50% of the periodic dollar per hour raise. He wants out, let it end for good with his signature.
Good point. I was the primary breadwinner in our marriage (the sole breadwinner the last 5 years) and my Ex was a spendthrift. My attorney put a clause in the property settlement that was as airtight as she could make it that prevented him from coming back for money later. He never did- he was too lazy- but he went through his share of the equity in the house, ended up dependent on social programs and died penniless 13 years later.

Get a good lawyer but don't let legal battles eat up what's left.
 
My husband of 27 years (age 62) gave me (age 65) roses on Mother’s Day and 3 days later, after an argument, told me he wanted a divorce. I was blindsided.

Within 5 weeks, he had gotten a shark of a lawyer; forced me into signing a “settlement” that I very much did not agree with; packed up a few belongings; and moved from VT to NC to live in his sister’s basement. [mod edit]

I say he “forced me” into an agreement because he didn’t take quite half of everything we owned, but he took way more than he should have been entitled to, and threatened if I didn’t sign, he’d go for a full 50%—which would have made me give him at least another $500k.

VT divorces use what’s called “equitable distribution” of marital assets. My problem with this is the subjective definition of “equitable”.

When the finances throughout an entire 27-year marriage have NEVER been 50/50, why should they suddenly become 50/50 when one partner decides to walk away?

Our situation is unusual in that I, the woman, was the higher earner. We had no children together. I made on average twice his salary for the whole marriage. We both worked all throughout the marriage, although he changed jobs more often than I did for various reasons. He lost one job for smoking pot on his break—in his 40s!! One he left because he came down with severe Covid from not being vaccinated (in Covid’s early days), had to be hospitalized, and lived with an oxygen tank for a few months after that.

I did all the investing of BOTH our retirement accounts and other assets (such as in inheritance he got from his mother) and handled all our finances, because he had neither the knowledge nor the desire to do so. (He was so financially unsavvy that when I met him, when he was 35, he literally thought you could only have your checking account at the same bank upon which your paycheck was drawn or you wouldn’t be able to cash your paycheck.)

I did ask his opinion on what he wanted to invest in, so he wouldn’t feel I was “controlling” everything. When he did have an opinion, he invested in things like pot companies, when those first became a hot thing. Nearly all those investments went to zero. I on the other hand put my money in solid index funds and stocks like Nvidia.

I always contributed the maximum to my 401k throughout my career, plus at age 55 I added the catch-up amount. He never put in more than the 1 or 2% required to get the company match.

When we met, he had just bought an FHA house and was paying just the interest on the mortgage. The government was picking up the principal. Once we married, due to our combined income he no longer qualified for that mortgage. So I started making triple payments on the house and we paid it off many years early.

His kids were both addicts and were in and out of jail and rehab for many years. We gave and/or “lent” them both thousands of dollars over time, trying to help them get on their feet, and were never paid back a dime—even when his son won $50k on a lottery ticket. (I was told by him a few years ago not to mention them owing us money anymore.)

Whenever we ran a little short on bill money due to the discrepancy between our paychecks, or a big repair, etc, it never even OCCURRED to me to ask if we could take a little out of what he inherited from his mom; I thought of that as “his” money, and I had a pist-tax brokerage account I’d built up that I called my “play money”—so I always just withdrew money from that to cover any shortages or special purchases, like the occasional trip we’d both go on.

Anyway, very long story short, I was hugely responsible for improving his financial situation over the course of the marriage. But I did everything I did because I loved him and wanted to share everything with him and make his life as good as it could be.

HOWEVER, because of all the disparities I’ve listed and many more, I do NOT think it was right for him to then take half of MY brokerage account when he decided to go full-on out-and-proud extremist and walk away from the marriage!

I believe equitable would have been his own IRA (which I had built up to $605k by the time he left); his inheritance (which had nearly doubled due to my putting it into an HYSA); and the money for half the PRESENT value of our house, which is approximately $400k now. Just those things would have given him about $900k—and he came into the marriage with $2,500 in savings, which he’d made by selling pot!

This is what I mean by “equitable distribution” NOT being 50/50. Yet I was advised by my own attorney—a highly-respected divorce lawyer—not to fight him on taking half my brokerage account, because every judge would say he was entitled to all that PLUS half of *my* IRA (now over a million thanks to NVDA’s incredible performance and the fact that it had JUST that month split it’s stock 10 for 1) besides!

Now that I’ve had almost a month to think about everything more clearly since he’s now out of the house and no longer threatening me and making life unbearable, I’m sorely tempted to withdraw my agreement (which hasn’t yet been signed by a judge) and take my chances on an actual court hearing. I’d like a chance to tell all these things to a judge and make my point about how finances had NEVER bern 50/50 on our marriage, so why should they be now?

Bottom line, all I want back is the $138,500 he got from my post-tax brokerage account at this point, so I’m not left living out of my IRA, which will cost me a fortune in taxes. That’s it. But to get that, I’d invoke more in attorney fees and risk losing half my IRA (IF he decided to continue paying his lawyer $359/hour from out of state to continue fighting. I haven’t spoken to him since he left so I have no idea what his state of mind is, but it was pretty uncharacteristically vicious when he left—caused mostly, I believe, by his shark of a lawyer, and possibly his sister’s influence.)

Does anybody think I should go for that, given all I’ve laid out here? Anyone here have experience with divorcing in VT? Does my argument about what was normal throughout our marriage (ie, him contributing way less than 50% to our financial success) vs what’s equitable now make sense?

(Oh, and ps—forgot one more big thing. In the month before he asked for divorce, I also had the bathroom in our 45-yeat-old house gutted and redone, including a wkole-house water filtration system we didn’t need but that he insisted on, at a cost to ME, from my post-tax brokerage account, of $22k. He contributed nothing to that either—yet it raised the value of out home, which I then had to pay him for half of too. So he double-benefited from that. Plus the value of that well-invested brokerage account went up $70k just in the month between when he started the divorce and the day we signed the settlement—and he got half of THAT increase too! Can you see why I’m so angry?!?)

Thank you to anyone who read and digested this whole thing. Would love some intelligent opinions.
I have heard during my accumulation/wealth building years a number of times “the best investment I ever made was in my spouse.” It’s more important in some circumstances than your asset allocation. Of course I say this to you in hindsight so what little good it does you I understand. I am deeply sorry for your loss and I couldn’t imagine losing my spouse in any circumstances.

That being said I think this falls into an expensive lesson. I think you should just think about it that way. It’s in the same light as when anyone steals from you.

As for contributions during a marriage who does what and how much that’s worth etc… it’s not all dollars and cents. I been retired going on six years and my spouse still chooses to work. (She doesn’t need to) it’s just her job is work from home and very well paid and why not collect more while you still love what you do right?

So, I find myself cooking and cleaning. I tend the garden care for children shovel snow the list goes on. I think you see where I am going with this.

If you felt he wasn’t contributing the proper amount during your marriage then that should have been addressed alot sooner then the divorce. And maybe you did explain it it to him, but if you have no proof what good is it?

What I say is good riddance. I send him a check for another 5k with a note that says “here this is for next time.”

Seriously if things were so bad turn your back and never look over your shoulder. Don’t ever even think about him again. Get some therapy, hit the gym, date some guy and have a little fun.

Ultimately (I am not an attorney) if you agreed to something legally you did and it sounds to me like there is no recourse, but if you are serious about it consult an actual attorney not the internet and do a lot of research before hiring one.

Just remember that when seeking revenge you have to dig two holes.

A few comments.

All money in a marriage is OUR money not his and hers unless stated in writing like a prenup.

Never ever give addicts money like obviously it’s half yours you have half a say in the matter, and while we want to be supportive fueling a bad habit never helps anyone. I am sure it was for bills or some such non sense but why did they need to ask in the first place? Come on think about it.

After 27 years I have a hard time believing you were blindsided, I mean yeah it happens and maybe it did to you, but you can only be blind sided when you have your blinders on.

Good luck here, I really hope you can get yourself to a better place.
 
What in the world would cause someone to walk away after that duration of marriage, all of a sudden? I know, none of my business.

My late DS got divorced 2x. The second time was nasty. Lots of lawyers, private investigators etc. In the end my sister passed away from cancer, and her remaining assets went into a trust.

Not even 2 yrs after DS has passed, her ex has been ho humming around about how he can't afford x,y,z.

Divorce is a terrible thing. Marriage contracts in the US are interesting.
 
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