Anybody have a power wall or other battery backup?

ECOFLOW offers a small dual fuel generator to connect to their ECOFLOW power stations that can auto-start when the power station's batteries run low. ECOFLOW is a bit pricy, but a very popular tried-&-true company.

I use two Pecron Power Stations (E1500LFP) with three expansion batteries (EP3000-48). About 12KWH total (Tesla Powerwall is 13.5KWH). Pecron offers no frills, economical power stations (about the cheapest per KWH). I can recharge with small generator (Honda EU2200i), or solar panels (2 KW currently), or wall outlet when power is restored. Does not automatically transfer when power goes out (i.e. someone needs to plug items into them when the power goes out).
 
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Greetings,
As promised, I'm sharing here my solar panels + battery backup journey with Tesla Energy.

Key points
a/ Timeframe: 19 weeks (or 4 months and 3 weeks) from $100 PO to Permission To Operate (PTO)
=> It's quite long, read below why
b/ Cost: $45k for 24x panels (9.84 kW) + 3x Powerwalls (PW) 3 (40.5 kWh)
=> It's a great deal, I've been quoted the exact same panels and PWs for $50k and $60k by other vendors.
c/ The solution outperforms the system specs by 25% / 28% (peak)
=> Read below
d/ You may want to oversize your system
=> Panels degrade overtime, batteries degrade overtime as well. It is not recommended to add Panel to an existing Array (aka String) afterward; if your system is not big enough, you will need to add a new Array (thus have have a free / spare MPPT on your Inverter). You can add a PW (Expansion) afterward, but Tesla told me it's 2x the price compared to getting it upfront.

Motivations
i/ Hurricane mitigation / independence. Based on the number of 'all cloudy days' and devices I wanted to have ON after a power outage, you can estimate your system size with National Renewable Energy Labs (free) software PVWatts and Welcome - System Advisor Model - SAM. PV Watts will estimate your solar production for generic panels. SAM will estimate your solar production with specific panels and inverters and take into account shading. And some Excel calculation. I highly recommend you do you own math with those software (and Tesla Energy Online System Quote for $ inputs, read below)
ii/ Utility temporary rate hikes independence
iii/ Utility rate inflation independance
iv/ Energy independence (for house + EV). For a good sunny day in May, my system produced 58kWh, the house used 26kWh, which provided 130 'free' miles for my EV (@ 247 Wh per mile averaged over a year). FPL has a solar subscription @ $25 / month. I hope (but I'm pretty sure) that I will have between 121% Offset (PW Watts calculated - read below) and 126% Offset (SAM calculated - read below) yearly and will never use any kWh from the Grid (even if FPL offers Net Metering)
v/ Green solution
vi/ I still should be able to benefit from the 30% Federal Tax Credit (which seems set to expire 12/31/2025 as per May 2025). NOTE: FTC clocks-in at PTO day (read below), not PO day...

Coarse Timeline

Real Timeline with comments
  1. Online System Quote 12/2024: go to https://www.tesla.com/energy/design and play with the calculator for your own needs. You will need your yearly or monthly kWh usage.
  2. Virtual Consultation 12/22/2024
  3. Place $100 Order 12/22/2024
  4. 3 High Level Systems Design 12/31/2024: Tesla designs 3 systems: small, medium and large
  5. Place PO on High Level System Design for the 'large' system 12/31/2024
  6. Detailed System Design 12/31/2024 -> 2/11/2025
    1. V1 01/07/2025. Tesla provided a 'small' system with PWs outside; I've placed a PO for a 'large' system with PWs inside (paid option). NOTE: A 'large' system will most likely require your Utility to approve the '> xxx % Offset'; which takes time. NOTE: Your utility may cap the 'Offset': FPL is 115% and tier the kW (FPL Tier 1 is 10 kW AC, Tier 2 requires a $1M home owner insurance).
    2. V2 01/28/2025: Tesla provided the 'large' system but with stacked PW Expansions, I have a 1-car attached garage and no space to have them stacked. I requested to have PW Expansions side-by-side
    3. V3 02/11/2025: Tesla provided what I wanted.
  7. Site Assessment 1/6/2025
  8. Final System Approval 2/11/2025
  9. Notarize Documents 1/31/2025: This is for permitting since my Building Department / Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ) requires it, yours may be different.
  10. Permit
    1. Submission (Tesla) 2/18/2026
    2. Received (AHJ) 2/19/2025
    3. Issued (AHJ) 2/26/2025
  11. Owners Obligation
    1. Heat Sensor 2/20/2025: Tesla will consult with your AHJ for the requirements. I've chosen to install the PW inside the attached garage and the Gateway outside
    2. Bollards (NA for me)
    3. Ventilation (NA, with PW)
    4. Sprinklers (NA for me)
  12. Material Delivery 3/21/205
  13. Installation 3/25/2025 + 4/3/2025. I highly recommend to request all documentations: strings design (location on your roof and # of panels per string) and Voltage read-out; Tesla will show you the Voltage on Tesla One App (only for Tesla and Contractors) and you can get them on NetZero App; Strings to Panels mapping with MCI locations, Strings to MPPTs mapping. I highly recommend (if you have a sunny hour after the system is installed and Tesla is still here) to verify your system production with the Tesla App vs PV Watts and SAM. I got +25% with PW Watts and +28% with SAM @ 2pm (peak) which is great! NOTE: After install, FPL allows to operate the system but not export energy (yet); which is great; other Utilities may not allow that; note the delay between Install day and PTO day below.
  14. Permit
    1. Inspection (AHJ) 4/8/2025
    2. Closed (AHJ) 4/8/2025
  15. Final Payment 4/15/2025. I chose to pay cash and not used Tesla Financial. If you finance, you need to pay your down payment at this Step and first installment starts 1 month after PTO.
  16. Quality Control (Tesla) 4/17/2025
  17. Net Metering (e.g online with FPL FPL | Net Metering)
    1. Application (Tesla) 4/23/2025
    2. Approved (Utility) 4/30/2025. NOTE: If you are above your Utility % Offset threshold; it's important to have Tesla talk to your Utility ahead of time (see 6.1) for a special request / approval, unless you will be denied PTO... Tesla knows that / will do that for you.
    3. Bidirectional Meter Ordered (Utility) 4/30/2025
    4. Meter Installed (Utility) 5/13/2025
    5. Completed (Utility) 5/13/2025
  18. Tesla / Utility Approval to Power On / Permission To Operate (PTO) 5/13/2025
As you can see, it's quite a process and quite complicated. I'm a EE by trade but it took me a while to navigate through all this.

Let me know if you have any questions.
 
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Excellent reference info, thanks for posting it.
 
I installed my panels while i had a forklift on the jobsite, and have an LG 16KWH high voltage battery and Solis 11.4Kw inverter here and ready to install. The equipment room is not ready yet but getting closer.
 
Here in San Antonio you will need power for the AC most of the year. Solar would be a good choice for me if it weren't for all the oak trees I have completely shading the whole yard and almost all of the roof which helps considerably with the heat. I opted for a whole house generator after almost two weeks without power a few winters ago. The limitation is if the gas goes out which should last for at least a week maybe more. I don't know of anyone in my subdivision that has a gas powered (natural gas) generator. That is a good thing for using my generator. It could be uncomfortable when all the neighbors show up at my doorstep though. Lucky we have three spar bedrooms and several couches that could be used to sleep on. Another thing to consider is how long the generator can/should function in continuous use. Mine will work for 10 days before they recommend servicing. As far as noise, my generator runs once a week to do a self test. I asked my neighbor on the side the generator is on if it bothered him and his reply was "You have a generator?" I spent a little more for a quiet and reliable cummins generator but I think it is worth it.
 
Here in San Antonio you will need power for the AC most of the year. Solar would be a good choice for me if it weren't for all the oak trees I have completely shading the whole yard and almost all of the roof which helps considerably with the heat. I opted for a whole house generator after almost two weeks without power a few winters ago. The limitation is if the gas goes out which should last for at least a week maybe more. I don't know of anyone in my subdivision that has a gas powered (natural gas) generator. That is a good thing for using my generator. It could be uncomfortable when all the neighbors show up at my doorstep though. Lucky we have three spar bedrooms and several couches that could be used to sleep on. Another thing to consider is how long the generator can/should function in continuous use. Mine will work for 10 days before they recommend servicing. As far as noise, my generator runs once a week to do a self test. I asked my neighbor on the side the generator is on if it bothered him and his reply was "You have a generator?" I spent a little more for a quiet and reliable cummins generator but I think it is worth it.

If shading is not too important, micro-inverter solutions might work. See here for education on solar panels wiring
and micro-inverter
For me, it is minimal. I calculated the yearly production estimate without shading with SAM and with shading with SAM 3D modeling (I just have a 2-story house and a big tree on the E. side of my 1-story house; the E. Array is shaded the first 30 - 60 mins of sun (confirmed with NetZero PW Watts solar forecast overlay over solar production feature), where I loose 1-2% per year (which is irrelevant).

Whole House Generator vs. Solar panels + battery backup I explained my reasoning on the 1st page.
I don't have Nat Gas, burying a 500G LPG tank + 20kW WHG is expensive. This is my math / ROI in 5 years (if I could benefit from the 30% Federal Tax Credit...)
5 YEARS24 panels solar + 3 battgen 20kw + 500G
purchase4527524000
elec15006000
maintenance01750
fuel01500
total4677533250
tax credit13582.5
total33192.533250
+ benefits highlighted above (see Motivations section) which LPG tank + WHG does not provide; it only tackles the hurricane outage.

RE Heat on roof. You are right. In Central Florida, my shingle roof made the attic very hot. Last summer (the year I moved in this new house), I could feel the heat radiating from the attic to my house; like a 'giant baked potato on top of my house' from 7pm to 1-2am.
This year I tackled this issue:
1/ R30 insulation above the attached garage (DIY)
2/ R8 Garage Door insulation (DIY)
3/ R30 insulation above the entry door (DIY)
4/ Radiant barrier aluminum foil installed on the roof rafters (30-hours DIY! 1,600 sf of foil installed!)
5/ Attic smart exhaust fan ($350 installation)
6/ Then AC was added in the attached garage
a/ Now that it is insulated, it makes sense
b/ Last year the shared wall (house / attached garage) was very hot, now it's not
c/ PWs generate heat when charging and discharging.
Insulation + radiant barrier should offer 30% Federal Tax Credit as well.
Now my attic temperature is +15F (measured at close to the ridge line, but not on the wood sheeting as shingle heat radiates through it) above max outside temp. at all times where it should be:
And +5F measured close to the soffit air intakes at all times.

My house is energy efficient.
 
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I have two small UPS's... They protect my sensitive electronics from the numerous dips, drops and even dirty power we get here. When we get a true/long power outage, they'll keep stuff going until I can get my generator up and running. 15 years ago, power outages around here were very common. (e.g. monthly+). But these days we sometimes go 3 or 4 months between outages. Still the UPS's easily pay for themselves every year.
 
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