Asset Allocations - Percentages vs Dollar Amount

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Members talk about allocation percentages all the time on here. What is overlooked in my opinion is the actual value vs a percentage.

If someone has 80% equities with a $3m portfolio = $2.4m in stocks
If someone had 40% equities with $10m = $4m in stocks

I understand percentages will be an indicator of how it might affect an individual portfolio, but dollar value is where the rubber meets the road.


I feel the same way about yield. It’s an indicator of performance, but the cashflow value is of greater importance to me.
A 6% yield on $3m = $180,000
A 12% yield on $1m = $120,000

Who is better off?


Just thoughts on a Saturday morning that somehow feels like a Sunday morning. Ah, retirement is good.
 
I agree that most would rather share percentages rather than dollar amounts.

I think allocation percentages are better for assessing volatility of the overall portfolio.

But when thinking about cash yield to live on, maybe dollar amount is a better gauge. The same might be true when assessing emergency fund or bear market survivability.
 
I agree that most would rather share percentages rather than dollar amounts.

I think allocation percentages are better for assessing volatility of the overall portfolio.

But when thinking about cash yield to live on, maybe dollar amount is a better gauge. The same might be true when assessing emergency fund or bear market survivability.
I completely understand/agree about the public sharing aspect.
 
I can't add more then what has been posted so far and agree with their assumptions. I personally like to look at where the rubber meets the road (Dollars) vs percentages.
 
My AA mindset is starting to shift from percentages to dollar amounts. My planned age-in-equities AA right now suggests 36% fixed income (FI), and I'm actually at ~33% due to the stock market bull run. But even at just 33% FI, that is about 12 years of gross spending for us. It feels to me like anything beyond about 10 years of spending in fixed income is pretty much dead money.

I'm not making any specific moves to get my FI down to 10 years of dollars, and I view some of that "excess" as dry powder for the next recession/bear. But I'm loosening up my rebalance ranges and no longer mechanically rebalancing out of equities based on percentages. OTOH, considering portfolio drawdown effects of AA, I'll probably not allow my portfolio to exceed around 75% equities.
 
Dollars and percentages are in the spreadsheet. We talk dollars at the table and use percentages here for better communication of model and target.
 
I consider asset allocation in terms of both percentages and dollars. Earlier in retirement, I maintained a particular asset allocation by rebalancing in terms of percent. Now the fixed income portion has grown enough to finance retirement by itself for many years. So I mostly let the equity portion grow...

I do keep spreadsheets that document percent allocation and dollar allocation. I only report percentages in public for privacy.
 
My AA mindset is starting to shift from percentages to dollar amounts. My planned age-in-equities AA right now suggests 36% fixed income (FI), and I'm actually at ~33% due to the stock market bull run. But even at just 33% FI, that is about 12 years of gross spending for us. It feels to me like anything beyond about 10 years of spending in fixed income is pretty much dead money.

I'm not making any specific moves to get my FI down to 10 years of dollars, and I view some of that "excess" as dry powder for the next recession/bear. But I'm loosening up my rebalance ranges and no longer mechanically rebalancing out of equities based on percentages. OTOH, considering portfolio drawdown effects of AA, I'll probably not allow my portfolio to exceed around 75% equities.
I've told myself for a long time that "if I had enough, I'd just convert it all to cash and put it in enough banks to get FDIC guarantees and live off the cash for the rest of my life." Well, I probably do have "enough" but I can't seem to pull the plug on all those nicely performing MFs I have. And, of course, when the inevitable pull-back occurs, I won't want to "sell at the bottom" so I'll likely just stay put.

The real beneficiaries of all this "paralysis" will be my aires.
 
I think that once your monthly/annual cash flow dollar amount comfortably exceeds your expenses, then you have a lot more options on how to set your portfolio AA.

Conversely, if you have a very modest portfolio and total retirement income that just barely covers your expenses, then you will likely want a conservative AA that is less affected by stock market downturns...
 
I think that once your monthly/annual cash flow dollar amount comfortably exceeds your expenses, then you have a lot more options on how to set your portfolio AA.

Conversely, if you have a very modest portfolio and total retirement income that just barely covers your expenses, then you will likely want a conservative AA that is less affected by stock market downturns...
I'm in the former category after starting age 70 SS six years ago. This is why my combined AA is something over 95% stock funds...
 
I think if you retire in your 50's with a 7 figure sum that starts with a 1, modest in my opinion, then you'll likely want to keep at least 50% of your assets in stocks. You'll likely not be able to grow your assets and fund your retirement if all your money is in CD's, bonds, and treasury's - unless you have some other form of income.
 
I prefer to refer to my AA by years of expenses... 28x/28x. Is that ok with everyone? Ok, thanks.
I have that in my spreadsheet as well. Can’t have enough metrics to judge your progress, right ? :)
 
When I look at my AA, my focus is on the number of years expenses that the fixed income portion can cover. That gives me peace of mind. How much is it in terms of percentage doesn’t get much of my attention.
 
My AA = 3 years of living expenses in MM, and the rest in equities. I track both % and $ in the spreadsheet.
 
The following story has nothing to do with Cheesehead. The people and events may or may not be real.

Last week, we attended an opening gala and met several interesting people. Three of them were sitting at our table.

Fred: "Over the last five years, my portfolio has made at least $5 million."
FD: "That's impressive. What were you invested in?"
Fred: "I started with $10 million and kept it split 50/50 between PDI and PTY."
FD: "While making $5 million sounds great, your portfolio didn't actually perform that well. Based on the numbers, it lagged money market funds over the same period."


A gentleman named John joined the conversation.
John: "My portfolio has made about $800,000 a year over the last five years."
FD: "That's impressive. What were you invested in?"
John: "I started with $20 million and kept it in CDs."
FD: "That's roughly a 4% annual return. Money market funds returned more than 18% cumulatively over much of that period, and inflation exceeded 23%. After accounting for inflation, your purchasing power barely increased."


Then a young woman named Madison joined us.
Madison: "I worked for Intel. About a year ago, I decided I could make a lot more money. I didn't have as much as you two, but I invested my entire $3 million portfolio in my company stock."
FD: "Let me check my phone. Wow. Your $3 million has grown to more than $15 million in a year. You passed Fred in just twelve months." (See chart.)


So what can we learn from these examples?
  • The most important investment metric has always been TR (Total Return) and always will be. For many investors, especially retirees, risk-adjusted return is also important, which is where measures such as the Sharpe ratio and SD become useful.
  • If your portfolio is large enough, almost any strategy can appear successful. You can be invested in 100% stocks, 100% CDs, money markets, or something in between and still accumulate significant wealth. A large portfolio by itself does not prove investment skill.
  • Dollar gains can be misleading. Making $5 million sounds impressive, but without knowing the starting portfolio size, the return percentage, and the risk taken, the number tells us very little.
  • A $500,000 gain on a $1 million portfolio is very different from a $500,000 gain on a $20 million portfolio. Percentages matter far more than dollar amounts when evaluating investment performance.
In investing, context matters. Total return, risk, and starting capital tell the real story—not the size of the dollar gain alone.

In real life, I actually know a guy like that.

Bill sold his company for $15 million back in 1993. Since then, he's kept roughly 90% of his portfolio in municipal bonds and the remaining 10% in the S&P 500.

Of course, he did very well financially and never had to worry about money again. But his success was driven primarily by starting with a very large portfolio, not by generating exceptional investment returns.

That's an important distinction. He "made it," but his investment performance was far from extraordinary; in fact, it trailed an average portfolio with 50/50 or even 30/70.
 
Can’t spend yield. Can’t spend total return. You CAN spend dollars gained. :):horse:
 
Percentages and dollar values answer different questions.

A 12% yield often comes with substantially more risk than a 6% yield. Sometimes a very high yield is a warning sign rather than an advantage. Suppose stocks fall 50%:
  • Portfolio A loses about $1.2M (40% of total portfolio)
  • Portfolio B loses about $2M (20% of total portfolio)
“Who is better off?”

Percentages normalize the data and allow comparisons of risk and performance across different-sized portfolios. Dollar amounts ultimately determine lifestyle and spending power, but percentages help explain how those dollars got there and how vulnerable they are to change.
 
Percentages and dollar values answer different questions.

A 12% yield often comes with substantially more risk than a 6% yield. Sometimes a very high yield is a warning sign rather than an advantage. Suppose stocks fall 50%:
  • Portfolio A loses about $1.2M (40% of total portfolio)
  • Portfolio B loses about $2M (20% of total portfolio)
“Who is better off?”

Percentages normalize the data and allow comparisons of risk and performance across different-sized portfolios. Dollar amounts ultimately determine lifestyle and spending power, but percentages help explain how those dollars got there and how vulnerable they are to change.
I stated similar in my OP. That percentages can be used for other analysis. The point of my post though was that people get myopic with percentages which by themselves only tell part of the story. It’s what value those percentages are applied to that ultimately determine value.

When I used (key phrase “used to”) post on Reddit. You’d see someone say I made a 144% return YTD. Then you find out their account is $100.
 
Just because someone has millions of dollars doesn't mean they have valuable investment insights to share.

Most of the wealthiest people in the world accumulated their fortunes through strong total returns. Any millionaire may look successful compared to someone with little wealth, but compared to a billionaire who built their fortune through exceptional total returns, the difference can be enormous.

How can I improve my own portfolio by following someone who keeps $20 million entirely in CDs? After all, he is going to make it if he is going to spend just 2-3%.

Likewise, someone can inherit $100 million and spend it all within 20 years. Having a large amount of money does not automatically demonstrate investing skill.

That's why, in my view, the most meaningful measures of investment success are Total Return (TR) and, for many investors, risk-adjusted return, often measured by the Sharpe ratio.

Portfolio size alone doesn't tell the story. What matters is how effectively you grew your capital relative to the risk you took to achieve those returns. That principle has been true for decades and will never change.
 
Members talk about allocation percentages all the time on here. What is overlooked in my opinion is the actual value vs a percentage.
AA is expressed in percentages because the point of the AA is to manage risk level of the portfolio. It doesn't matter how much money is involved. An 80/20 portfolio has a different risk level than a 30/70 portfolio.

Once you're retired, and maybe before that, you may choose to adjust your AA because of the actual dollar amounts. "When you've won the game you can stop playing" applies here. No need to continue with the high risk portfolio is you have way more money than you will ever need in your lifetime.

Whether or not you talk about dollars or percentages really depends on what point you are addressing.
 
I appreciate the consideration to assess where most are with performance of portfolio compared to needs coverage
if it is combined with your projected or realistic time horizon i am around 30 x and my max projection is 25-30 yrs so the way i look at it, would feel better with little more coverage for some unknowns and couple more margaritas
 
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