CEF Holdings ---- April 2026

I thought PDI fiscal year ends in June. And it seems that a lot happens w/ that fund slightly before that date. What exactly are the correct dates? Does PDI begin a new year starting in JULY?
Is a chart of data from 1/1/25 to 12/31/25 a reliable chart for a fiscal year that ends in June?
thanks
Correct. But for our purpose it is immaterial as the semi annual report is a 6-month ending report and the annual report through 6/30 will be a 12-month period. With the two we can carve up the data into either consecutive six month periods or consecutive annual periods every six months.

In some cases, a year can be too long to spot some trends in underlying NII production and interest expenses of the fund.
 
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Correct. And this is a HUGE benefit as we are seeing now in the private credit space. Having the ability to hold and not be a forced seller as most portfolio managers can be at times, is a massive advantage. The ability to hold illiquid investments in nearly perpetuity and, at times, provide liquidity to the forced sellers can create significant alpha.

I've attempted to quantify the alpha a closed-end fund has over both passive OEF (open-ended funds) and active OEFs in the bond space. The other source of alpha a CEF has over an OEF is the leverage benefit. Blackrock had a great chart on their website for years quantifying the benefit of leverage in the bond space, especially in the muni CEF space.
 
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Would you please elaborate on this? I read this to mean that they are the healthiest (safest?) funds.
  • PDO and PAXS are the post-modern funds and have a 'right-sized' distribution for this environment. You could argue that they are the best interpretations of where PIMCO sees the current rate environment. Still, they both have an ATM offering.
 
@AlphaGenYieldHunting

Would you please elaborate on this? I read this to mean that they are the healthiest (safest?) funds.
  • PDO and PAXS are the post-modern funds and have a 'right-sized' distribution for this environment. You could argue that they are the best interpretations of where PIMCO sees the current rate environment. Still, they both have an ATM offering.
Not AGC, but IF IF "healthy/safe" has something to do with covering distributions, then at least with these three it's pick-'em. Nobody can tell the future, so here's the recent past ---- total returns on NAV. When they exceed distributions, cuts are really unnecessary, although fund boards can do what they please. Luckily, PIMCO typically won't permit DESTRUCTIVE ROC to appear much less persist.
PDO 2024 TR ON NAV 18.3%.....2025: 15.3%
PAXS 2024 16.5%...2025 12.8%
PDI 2024 16.3%.....2025 15.4%

So among "safe/healthy" alternatives, why not take the one with the highest distribution yield, PDI?
Regards, Dick
 
@AlphaGenYieldHunting

Would you please elaborate on this? I read this to mean that they are the healthiest (safest?) funds.
  • PDO and PAXS are the post-modern funds and have a 'right-sized' distribution for this environment. You could argue that they are the best interpretations of where PIMCO sees the current rate environment. Still, they both have an ATM offering.
Yes. Remember most of the PIMCO funds except for PDI, PDO, and PAXS were created BEFORE the 2008 financial crisis and were incepted in a different interest rate world (unless the last couple of years). PIMCO is a sponsor that rarely wants to change their distribution policy. Interest rates at the time of IPO have a large influence on the distribution rate set for these funds.

PDI came out in the aftermath of the Financial Crisis and bought heavily discounted rMBS securities for 70-90% off the original price and rode that for the better part of the next decade. That yield is a function of that environment. But PDI would have definitely cut the distribution had they not had an ATM offering to supplant it.

PAXS and PDO are post-Covid funds when interest rates bottomed. PIMCO set the distributions for those funds right for the time- a very low interest rate environment.
 
Yes. Remember most of the PIMCO funds except for PDI, PDO, and PAXS were created BEFORE the 2008 financial crisis and were incepted in a different interest rate world (unless the last couple of years). PIMCO is a sponsor that rarely wants to change their distribution policy. Interest rates at the time of IPO have a large influence on the distribution rate set for these funds.

PDI came out in the aftermath of the Financial Crisis and bought heavily discounted rMBS securities for 70-90% off the original price and rode that for the better part of the next decade. That yield is a function of that environment. But PDI would have definitely cut the distribution had they not had an ATM offering to supplant it.

PAXS and PDO are post-Covid funds when interest rates bottomed. PIMCO set the distributions for those funds right for the time- a very low interest rate environment.
PDI might well have cut it's distribution if folks weren't willing to pay a significant premium. And arguably it is currently priced for a cut. Really!

Suppose they cut the annual distribution down to a level of portfolio NII and gains = 2.35 = 19.6c/month. At the current market price of 17.39, the covered yield would be 13.5%! And if folks sold on auto-fear after such a cut, the available yield would naturally be higher than 13.5%. And if they cut it down to NII = 2.12, the current yield would be 12.2%. But that would be silly, because some or all or more than all of the 23c realized and unrealized net gain would be accrued but unpaid net swap income that can't be counted as NII until it is paid.
Regards, Dick
Aside: PDO only yields 11.5%, but folks are willing to pay a 4% premium to own it.
 
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Very funny. I wrote something very similar in my PIMCO note that I'm publishing Monday. Here is that table. Essentially, what I did is what you wrote above. I had only done the NII Yield column but added NII+Gains Yield column based on your post. The price adjustment is what the price would need to go to in order for the new payout yield to be equal to the current yield.
Most of the funds actually have a positive "decline" since their NII + Gains yield is actually higher than the current yield the fund pays. In other words, their current NII plus gains/losses is actually more than what the fund pays out. You could make the argument that the funds are under-distributing but that would only be based on the most recent years of earnings which have been above average. That $2.35 number you cited for 2025 for NII and gains is about 3x the average of the last six years.

If we used an average going back to FY 2020 data, the Net investment income plus gains would only average $0.71 per share. That's a 4.1% yield.


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Very funny. I wrote something very similar in my PIMCO note that I'm publishing Monday. Here is that table. Essentially, what I did is what you wrote above. I had only done the NII Yield column but added NII+Gains Yield column based on your post. The price adjustment is what the price would need to go to in order for the new payout yield to be equal to the current yield.
Most of the funds actually have a positive "decline" since their NII + Gains yield is actually higher than the current yield the fund pays. In other words, their current NII plus gains/losses is actually more than what the fund pays out. You could make the argument that the funds are under-distributing but that would only be based on the most recent years of earnings which have been above average. That $2.35 number you cited for 2025 for NII and gains is about 3x the average of the last six years.

If we used an average going back to FY 2020 data, the Net investment income plus gains would only average $0.71 per share. That's a 4.1% yield.


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Interesting, but I wouldn't take the average of NII + gains for the past 5 years too far. The NII has been pretty stable in the period and often exceeded last year. Negative marks and maybe losses during the most rapid Fed tightening cycle in decades drove your 71c average, and as I love to say (actually repeat ad nauseam), anyone who held ANY bondish fund through the tightening cycle deserves the returns they suffered.
Regards, Dick
 
Great discussion.
  • The last PIMCO CEFs to cut the distribution were PDX, PCM, and RCS back in Jan 2025. All three of those funds have no ATM offering.
Not that it matters to the issues at hand but PDX didn't cut its distribution in January 2025- it raised the distribution from 0.1133 to 0.1334
 

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Real dilution in a CEF would come from a rights offering done at a discount. Those are the corporate actions that are most damaging (but can also provide some opportunities) for CEF investors.

DHY just announced one this week when the shares were at a -7.4% discount. My go to is to sell whenever these are announced and wait for the conclusion of the offering to buy back (if at all).
 
Interesting, but I wouldn't take the average of NII + gains for the past 5 years too far. The NII has been pretty stable in the period and often exceeded last year. Negative marks and maybe losses during the most rapid Fed tightening cycle in decades drove your 71c average, and as I love to say (actually repeat ad nauseam), anyone who held ANY bondish fund through the tightening cycle deserves the returns they suffered.
Regards, Dick
True. Hard to predict the future but I can't see a repeat of the 2021-2022 rate rising environment unless oil goes to $200 and stays there. We played that one well and didn't get back in until mid-2022 (mostly munis) because of the uber-wide discounts.

The combination of individual high-quality corporate bonds (now easily purchased through Fidelity or Schwab's inventory) and bond CEFs has proven to be highly lucrative, at least compared to traditional bond funds that the vast majority of investors access their bond exposure. In a Fidelity Total Bond fund you are at the mercy of the rate environment... period.

I've written in the past that a stock mutual fund/ETF is a great replacement from owning individual stocks, but a bond mutual fund/ETF is a terrible replacement for owning individual bonds.
 
Very funny. I wrote something very similar in my PIMCO note that I'm publishing Monday. Here is that table. Essentially, what I did is what you wrote above. I had only done the NII Yield column but added NII+Gains Yield column based on your post. The price adjustment is what the price would need to go to in order for the new payout yield to be equal to the current yield.
Most of the funds actually have a positive "decline" since their NII + Gains yield is actually higher than the current yield the fund pays. In other words, their current NII plus gains/losses is actually more than what the fund pays out. You could make the argument that the funds are under-distributing but that would only be based on the most recent years of earnings which have been above average. That $2.35 number you cited for 2025 for NII and gains is about 3x the average of the last six years.

If we used an average going back to FY 2020 data, the Net investment income plus gains would only average $0.71 per share. That's a 4.1% yield.


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The PDI price adjustment of $15.44 matches the low of 10/23 that was $15.45.
It is the low for my position window.
If I take the high for PDI which is $19.00 and divide that 15.45 by the 19 and minus a 1 it equals 18.68% of a drop.
So I asked myself is a 18.68% a reasonable drop given this present environment? My answer is yes, if not this month then sometime w/n the rest of this year.
Thanks for posting this chart, w/ Dick's insightful help :cool:
Two minds working on my behalf seems like a home run for my financial well-being
 
One could make a career trading CEF. Buy, sell, question, fear. Evaluating, the simple solution for me was to construct a sleeve of PIMCO CEF and treat them as my personal mutual fund. Started with 1% equal weighted. Total 10% investment. Periodically rebalance permiting buying on sale, selling at premium. Only need one tool to monitor. My Fidelity portfolio. Accept that PIMCO is a quality bond house. Total returns from this 10 CEF portfolio for one, three, five, ten, and fifteen year periods is 12.3%, 13.8%, 5.9%, 7.9%, and 7.2%. I let Fidelity do my heavy bond lifting because their funds do not fall 4% in one week. Use the PIMCO sleeve for controlled jucing of returns. No longer concerned about NIL, premium, discount, large bad trades, best CEF to buy, worst CEF to sell, monthly percentage allocation changes.
Occam Razor.
 
Aside: in all this interesting coverage and related discussion, we overlooked the events of 2022, when PAXS and PDO INCREASED their distributions and, particularly relevant to coverages, the large year end extra distributions paid by PAXS PDO PDI and likely others I didn't check.
Regards, Dick
 
PDI might well have cut it's distribution if folks weren't willing to pay a significant premium. And arguably it is currently priced for a cut. Really!

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Aside: PDO only yields 11.5%, but folks are willing to pay a 4% premium to own it.
I don't find this comforting. It seems like a disconnect between fundamentals and chasing results? Does it make sense on a longer term basis? Or just for trading?
 
PIMCO has just now updated the fact sheet (fund card) to 31Mar2026 for its taxable CEFs. Two pages of basic info about the fund. Strangely left blank are the sections for top five industries, sector allocation, and average weighted maturity ... perhaps these will be restored sometime later? Also, would appreciate an opinion on the significance/importance of the NAV and Market Price distribution rates. TIA.
See https://www.pimco.com/us/en/product-finder?filters=products=closed-end-funds
Go to each fund of interest to you, select "documents", and go from there.

Bonus info: Even more aggressively now (at age 82) decluttering. Just emptied my "investor info" bookshelf (even of Malkiel, Bogle, Graham !!!) ... but one hefty (968 pages) book remains and will always be there:

Berkshire Hathaway Letters to Shareholders: 1965-2024

see Berkshire Hathaway Letters to Shareholders: 1965-2024: Buffett, Warren, Olson, Max: 9798218796259: Amazon.com: Books

If you think its hardcover price is too high, there's a much cheaper Kindle edition. Or I suppose that you could find the letters individually at the Berkshire website. Doubt there will be a paperback edition considering its size.
Also, there a related "Buffet and Munger Unscripted" now on the way to me. Could be of interest/help?
--- Frank
 
I don't find this comforting. It seems like a disconnect between fundamentals and chasing results? Does it make sense on a longer term basis? Or just for trading?
For recent years PDI PDO and PAXS have over-covered and performed very well as evidenced by their total returns ON NAV well in excess of distribution yields. Mangers are responsible for NAV, and (usually) retail investors different/often strange preferences drive premiums and discounts. What you describe as a disconnect is just retail preferences at work ---- what flavor do individual investors prefer? A larger distribution and likely less NAV growth or a modestly lower yield and likely greater NAV growth? It's all just about how you like your very similar total returns carved up.
Regards, Dick
 
For recent years PDI PDO and PAXS have over-covered and performed very well as evidenced by their total returns ON NAV well in excess of distribution yields. Mangers are responsible for NAV, and (usually) retail investors different/often strange preferences drive premiums and discounts. What you describe as a disconnect is just retail preferences at work ---- what flavor do individual investors prefer? A larger distribution and likely less NAV growth or a modestly lower yield and likely greater NAV growth? It's all just about how you like your very similar total returns carved up.
Regards, Dick
I agree with all of that that. Still, the notion that PDI can only support (not cut) its distribution because people pay up for it seems a bit uncertain.
 
PIMCO is one of the few taxable bond CEFs that has a good history of maintaining the NAV level - or growing it. Many other sponsors, over time, cannibalize their NAV either through over-distributing or through painful deleveraging events.

The safest thought process for a long-term CEF investor is to consider reinvesting a portion of the monthly distributions and growing share count. What we've found, especially with Nuveen and Blackrock taxables, is something around 25-35% of distribution reinvestment into more shares, helps offset the NAV decay over time, and grow your income stream, all else equal.

This concept also helps to offset the destructive nature of inflation on the purchasing power of those distributions. Of course, in theory, a 13%+ yield where the NAV is stable should be more than enough to help you offset inflationary effects.
 
I agree with all of that that. Still, the notion that PDI can only support (not cut) its distribution because people pay up for it seems a bit uncertain.
Don't know what to say. Investments with certainty pretty much end with 3 month Treasury bills where you're not exposed to credit or interest rate risk.
Regards, Dick
 
PIMCO has just now updated the fact sheet (fund card) to 31Mar2026 for its taxable CEFs. Two pages of basic info about the fund. Strangely left blank are the sections for top five industries, sector allocation, and average weighted maturity ... perhaps these will be restored sometime later? Also, would appreciate an opinion on the significance/importance of the NAV and Market Price distribution rates. TIA.
See Product Finder | PIMCO
Go to each fund of interest to you, select "documents", and go from there.

Bonus info: Even more aggressively now (at age 82) decluttering. Just emptied my "investor info" bookshelf (even of Malkiel, Bogle, Graham !!!) ... but one hefty (968 pages) book remains and will always be there:

Berkshire Hathaway Letters to Shareholders: 1965-2024

see Berkshire Hathaway Letters to Shareholders: 1965-2024: Buffett, Warren, Olson, Max: 9798218796259: Amazon.com: Books

If you think its hardcover price is too high, there's a much cheaper Kindle edition. Or I suppose that you could find the letters individually at the Berkshire website. Doubt there will be a paperback edition considering its size.
Also, there a related "Buffet and Munger Unscripted" now on the way to me. Could be of interest/help?
--- Frank
The allocations and other data for 3/31 are on the main page.
Regards, Dick
 
The allocations and other data for 3/31 are on the main page.
Regards, Dick
Nope. Just double-checked. Page 1 for 3/31 matches page 1 for 12/31 ... filled with info and no room for this portfolio info. Column 1 has fund objectives and return info, column 2 has fund info such as asset size, managers, market/NAV price and premium as of 3/31, # of shares, etc. Page 2 has large blank areas when portfolio/holdings info would appear. If I did want such info now, I go to the fund itself and click on a tab for this info. Hopefully, I successfully attached the 3/31 PAXS fund card (which downloads as a PDF) to show this.
Anyway, just another mystery and there's other more important stuff to deal with now. Thanks for the time.
--- Frank
 

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