Company stock skyrocketed, need advice

Posting here because this is more about the decision making process than about analysis of my company's prospects in particular.

So I am generally an index funds only person, being shaped by the Motely Fool FIRE board since the mid 90s and then here. But I have a bunch of company stock that was granted when we were acquired by our current parent company. Said parent company is AppLovin, an ad tech company that is up so much since our earnings came out last week that if I sell it and pay 50% of it in taxes, it now represents 37.5% of our household net worth (not including the house which I always feel weird about including, the house moves it to 29.6%).

I'm struggling with what to do. It could drop back to the $13 a share or so low from a couple years ago (it is at $290 now). Or it could muddle along at roughly the current value, or it could conceivably double again if our revenue grows as crazily again or people just decide they want to pile in now that we entered the NASDAQ 100. I'm trying to do Bayesian reasoning on it but I can't even come up with reasonable guesses for percentage likelihood of those scenarios.

Including house value in our net worth, selling the company stock now would put us close to what I consider escape velocity where as long as my wife keeps working till she hits retirement age, we'd definitely be able to retire with a lifestyle similar to what we live currently. I still have my job (and weirdly if they lay us off the stock might jump since my part of the business is a drain on the performance even if we are wildly successful), and like making video games, so I expect to keep working myself too, though ageism may impact that whenever I do have to hunt for a next job.

So taking the profits now locks in that somewhere in the 10-20 year range we are all set. Hanging on might mean in a quarter or two we are all set, or it might mean we are pushed back 5-10 years from being all set... :/ Risk, reward. I don't have to sell everything, so I could sell all the stuff that qualifies for LTCG, but that's only about a third of it (2/3 of it is unexercised options, 1/6 is exercised options I've held for a couple years and 1/6 is ESPP purchases that mostly are qualifying after the 22nd of this month).

I really hate owning individual stocks, though this is the first time it has been a problem in a very good way. :p Any advice or perspective for helping me make a decision would be great.
First, congratulations on your success.

Like others have said; I can’t tell you what to do, only what I’d do in your situation.

I’d protect my backend and (your family.) sell what would bring me to my medium FIRE goal. Do what you think is best for the rest.

My consideration would be leaving a quarter of it in (post FIRE sale) put another quarter in something super stable gold treasuries etc… and then dump the rest into index funds.

Find a good tax professional to see how you can mitigate that, but then again that’s a good problem to have.

I’ve been playing games for thirtyish years did you make anything I would have played?
 
Options or stocks you own outright? Options I'd dump because if you ever get laid off or fired you have to exercise within a timeframe usually
 
OP, this is not your doing, and it is a great "problem" to have, but for a lack of a better word, you are facing a sort of a gambling situation. You may continue to win big, or you may lose big (or somewhere in between). Whatever you choose to do (sell or hold), make sure you will be at peace with the end results either ways. If you can agree with yourself on that last part, things will be good.
Personally, in your situation, I would sell some now because I would kick myself if the stock would crash back down, but some other folks could take that and would kick themselves if the stock move up significantly in the future.
 
Definitely time to reduce concentrtion risk and diversify. Remember Enron. Also, I have some friends who were former Lucent employees which was flying high for a while then spiraled downward.
 
Options or stocks you own outright? Options I'd dump because if you ever get laid off or fired you have to exercise within a timeframe usually
The ones I have seen do not have to be exercised if laid off... now if you quit you have too..
 
Posting here because this is more about the decision making process .......I am generally an index funds only person, being shaped by the Motely Fool FIRE board .......

I'm struggling with what to do. ....... I still have my job (and weirdly if they lay us off the stock might jump since my part of the business is a drain on the performance even if we are wildly successful),

I really hate owning individual stocks....... Any advice or perspective for helping me make a decision would be great.

Given your introductory statement, I think you already know what you want to do. Are you looking for someone to confirm your thinking? I won't do that, but I know that I have done essentially the same with our ESPP. I bought at a discount and sold as soon as I could. I wanted no financial ties to the corporation except my bi-weekly paycheck. If the company went belly up, I didn't want a big chunk of what I had to go with it. I considered it my adaptation of the old 3-legged stool approach of retirement planning. I never looked back.
 
First, congratulations on your success.
Thanks :)
I’ve been playing games for thirtyish years did you make anything I would have played?
Well, I worked on the original Unreal, but that was on the publishing side of things. :) As a developer things you may have heard of:
Nuclear Strike 64
MX Superfly
CMX 2002 with Rickey Carmichael
WWE Crush Hour
Magic: The Gathering (the physical card game)
Magic: The Gathering Duels of the Planeswalkers (the digital game)
Champions Online
Neverwinter Online
Marvel Heroes Online
FFXV: A New Empire (mobile)
FFXV: War for Eos (mobile)
everything else is pretty obscure. :p
 
Options or stocks you own outright? Options I'd dump because if you ever get laid off or fired you have to exercise within a timeframe usually
A mix, options I had exercised, ESPP purchases, and options that are unexercised. I've sold all the options I had exercised as they are LTCG. Today the ESPP purchases became qualifying so I need to decide over the weekend about them. The unexercised options I exercised and sold half.
 
Thanks again for all the viewpoints folks, it helped me get over the angsting about what to do. Even with the stock up another 48 over what I sold at, I'm feeling good about the decision (though i do regret the money I took out in august at 90, because in retrospect I didn't need the cash after all then, heh) to get rid of about half of it.
 
Given your introductory statement, I think you already know what you want to do. Are you looking for someone to confirm your thinking? I won't do that, but I know that I have done essentially the same with our ESPP. I bought at a discount and sold as soon as I could. I wanted no financial ties to the corporation except my bi-weekly paycheck. If the company went belly up, I didn't want a big chunk of what I had to go with it. I considered it my adaptation of the old 3-legged stool approach of retirement planning. I never looked back.
you know I totally didn't twig to the bolded lines you quoted when I was writing them, but yeah, that does seem pretty clear how I was actually feeling, heh.
 
Thanks :)

Well, I worked on the original Unreal, but that was on the publishing side of things. :) As a developer things you may have heard of:
Nuclear Strike 64
MX Superfly
CMX 2002 with Rickey Carmichael
WWE Crush Hour
Magic: The Gathering (the physical card game)
Magic: The Gathering Duels of the Planeswalkers (the digital game)
Champions Online
Neverwinter Online
Marvel Heroes Online
FFXV: A New Empire (mobile)
FFXV: War for Eos (mobile)
everything else is pretty obscure. :p
Oh wow, so nuclear strike neverwinter, and of course unreal. What are the obscure ones? You’d be surprised, I fancy myself a gameplay over graphics kind of person, so I’ve played so rare stuff.
 
Years ago a friend of mine got fired from W.T. Grant less than a year before it went belly up. Getting fired was the best thing that ever happened to his retirement funding since his ‘pension’ was mostly in Grant stock.

Another guy held on to his Sears stock for years because his supposedly financially astute wealthy brother told him it will eventually go back up. Thankfully that same brother helped him out during his retirement. Guilt? Maybe.

5% is the maximum of any single stock. If you work for the company and own a lot of stock you can get hit by the double whammy - lose your job, lose you retirement savings. Not so good.
 
I’m a bit late to the party, but this is something I wrestled with 15-20yrs ago.
I’d consider cutting your exposure down to 10-15% of net worth (sans house). Sell some this year and more early next year. Pay attention to the NIIT threshold and the 15-20% LTCG threshold.
If you need more time to sell, you could purchase protective put options to insure the position from downside.
 
Oh wow, so nuclear strike neverwinter, and of course unreal. What are the obscure ones? You’d be surprised, I fancy myself a gameplay over graphics kind of person, so I’ve played so rare stuff.
Stellar Expanse (a play by email space 4x game I made with a friend back in the 90s)
Imperium Galactica
the Unreal level pack Return to Na-Pali
Hecatomb
a couple ARGs at WotC
Chosen (a gamified video performance app on mobile)
Fists of Physics (giant robot VR fighting game for the launch of modern VR headsets)
Crystalborne (a mobile character collector)
Reign of Vampires (current project that is live world wide on mobile now)
 
Stock is still above where I sold ~50% ($286 a share), currently bouncing around $325 a share after hitting a high aroudn $415 right before it didn't get included in the S&P 500. Feeling solid in the choice to sell half even though I would have been better off holding, and evaluating again on the remaining shares next time we come out of a blackout period after next quarter's numbers come out in febraury.
 
Stock is still above where I sold ~50% ($286 a share), currently bouncing around $325 a share after hitting a high aroudn $415 right before it didn't get included in the S&P 500. Feeling solid in the choice to sell half even though I would have been better off holding, and evaluating again on the remaining shares next time we come out of a blackout period after next quarter's numbers come out in febraury.
You care to share the stock symbol?
 
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