Covid 2024 Vaccine

Got new Moderna and flu 2 days ago. Arm was a little sore yesterday and even less so today.
 
We intend to get the new vaccine In early October, long enough in advance of our November trip to Japan so that it will have full effect just before we fly there. We'll get the flu shot at the same time.
 
I got mine about 4 hours ago, so far just sore arm.

I'd honestly probably never have done it without this thread as I'm not really convinced I needed it being under 65 and not high risk and not generally in crowds.

But the collective wisdom told me to just get it over with since it is only a shot.
 
Don't need this year's vaccine, just got over the real thing. Again. Of the 3 or 4 times I've had Covid (once I think in 2020 before tests), two were worse than the vax reaction. two were less severe.
 
Teacher Terry said:
It’s my understanding that the Pfizer vaccine is less potent than Moderna. I’ve had 3 doses of Pfizer and each time I was very sick with horrible chills and felt like I had the flu for 4 days. My 2 older siblings get Moderna and were sick 7-10 days.
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Wow - 7-10 days? That's a really bad luck reaction for a vaccine. My sympathies to them. My worst lasted about 4 days. Are they going to continue with Moderna this year, knowing that?
 
My "flu" symptoms kicked in about 9 hours post shot so I don't feel great.

Arm is unusually sore too but I sort of blame that on what nerves they hit when they gave the shot cause it hurt going in and I usually do not notice that much.
 
FindingForward said:
Wow - 7-10 days? That's a really bad luck reaction for a vaccine. My sympathies to them. My worst lasted about 4 days. Are they going to continue with Moderna this year, knowing that?
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They are 75 and 78 and have serious lung conditions so will continue to get one of the vaccines. I’m not sure which one. I quit getting them 3 years ago after I was sicker from the vaccine than when I got Covid.

However, I happily took the first 3 because it was attacking the respiratory system and many people were dying. I think it’s all about evaluating your individual risk.
 
The vaccine reduces your chance of hospitalization and dying and long covid. The updated vaccine targets the newer variant. Also, for a time reduces your risk of getting covid. I'm getting the covid and flu vaccines this evening. I'm planning on taking some ibuprofen throughout the day tomorrow.
 
Teacher Terry said:
It’s my understanding that the Pfizer vaccine is less potent than Moderna. I’ve had 3 doses of Pfizer and each time I was very sick with horrible chills and felt like I had the flu for 4 days. My 2 older siblings get Moderna and were sick 7-10 days.
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I have the same belief from my very limited reading and because with Pfizer I had little reaction, but with Moderna I felt unwell for ~2 days, supposedly that's a good thing, but still might go with Pfizer this time.
 
Although DGF felt under the weather for one day after getting her Pfizer vaccine on Monday, I didn't feel much of an effect from the same vaccine received on Tuesday other than a short lived minor headache.

As to whether or not to take the vaccine, it's a personal choice at this time and each of us has to live with the consequences of our decisions. The vaccine is free to DGF and me so why not. We haven't had covid yet (to our knowledge) for whatever reason so we'll just keep doing what we are doing.
 
Second day after I got my shot. Absolutely no adverse symptoms. Generally speaking I don't react badly to vaccinations and this one is no different.
 
I've had six Covid jabs so far. As far as I can tell, I never had a reaction to any of them, not even a sore arm. I did have Covid once in late 2021. It was like a week-long, very bad cold. I'd rather have the vaccine, thanks.
 
Also had mine last week; just the covid jab. As usual, 3 hours later a small fever and a little vertigo that lasted about 12 hours. I've learned to get these late afternoon so I can sleep through most side effects. I'll take the side effects any day over serious covid (which almost killed me in 2020).

Putting off the flu vax for another few weeks.
 
RetMD21 said:
Are you saying that nasal vaccines would only result in immunity through antibodies? Where did you get that idea?

The type 2 polio now circulating is apparently all oral vaccine derived. It is endemic to Pakistan and Afghanistan but there are susceptible un or under vaccinated populations and individuals around the world unfortunately.
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No I didn’t say that. I’m saying a nasal vaccine would do nothing about the longer term fact that COVID incubates faster than Tcells activate. The only difference than a shot (presumably) is that it would provide upfront antibodies faster at the source of infection, which would be an improvement.

Btw in my initial response I didn’t notice the “MD” in your user name - so I was probably telling you stuff you already know.
 
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I just scheduled both flu and Covid shots for Tuesday. A few days ago we booked a Canada cruise that leaves Sept 26, and thanks to this thread I was reminded to get vaccinated. It may be a bit late, but better than not getting them. I’m high risk for anything that can attack the respiratory system.
 
big-papa said:
Anecdotal evidence is evidence of nothing. But I totally understand why we all think that way.
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At the end of the day this is just another product. You can argue that they are currently using more emotion than data to market their products just like every other company. If they don't account for anecdotal evidence in the design of their product, it's going to be less successful.

A software example with phones getting hot:
This example highlights the importance of combining quantitative data with qualitative user feedback in the software and product design process. In this case, while data-driven analysis (quantitative data) showed the phone was operating within specifications, anecdotal evidence from user complaints introduced a qualitative aspect. This led to setting up a focus group, which provided valuable insights into user experience that pure metrics could not reveal. Even though most users might not have experienced overheating, the preference for a cooler phone was significant, showcasing that user perception can sometimes be as critical as the technical performance itself.

It underscores how user-centric design and accessibility can drive product improvements beyond what technical data alone suggests, ensuring that products not only meet functional requirements but also resonate better with user expectations.


Also, take a look at the Cochrane review of Tamiflu. Their review found it marginally useful only by a 1/2 day and turned up side effects not reported originally. It's troubling that these companies made it so difficult to obtain their data for review.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The Tamiflu fiasco and lessons learnt

Oseltamivir (Tamiflu), a neuraminidase inhibitor, was approved for seasonal flu by US Food and Drug Administration in 1999. A number of randomized controlled trials, systematic reviews, and meta-analysis emphasized a favorable efficacy and safety profile. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
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Got Phizer CV shot 2 days ago. No side effects noted. Did AM walk, lots of housecleaning and 45 minute swim both days. DH got his yesterday with same experience. We’ll get flu in October to cover back end of winter. I wouldn’t get them at the same time, in any case. If there are side effects, I’d want to know which vaccine caused it.
 
Gumby said:
I've had six Covid jabs so far. As far as I can tell, I never had a reaction to any of them, not even a sore arm. I did have Covid once in late 2021. It was like a week-long, very bad cold. I'd rather have the vaccine, thanks.
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Like you, I've had six jabs, and COVID once. Never had anything more than fatigue for the rest of the day of the injection. Last time, I had the RSV vaccine at the same time, and that left my arm sore for several days.
 
It took several days this time for the arm to be normal but the actual flu like symptoms were about 18 hours.
 
Teacher Terry said:
However, I happily took the first 3 because it was attacking the respiratory system and many people were dying. I think it’s all about evaluating your individual ririsk.
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I agree. I took the 2 doses of Moderna in early 2021 because the initial version of COVID was scary. Only side effect was a sore arm so I went ahead with a booster in 2022 since I'd happily resumed traveling. When I read of a recent resurgence I tried to find a booster in early August since I was headed to Europe September 2. They were waiting for the new one, which I finally got a week before departure. Not optimal. I'm flying home from London today.

To my knowledge I've never had COVID and I've tested multiple times, for travel or when I was around someone later diagnosed with it. I think I have a very strong immune system.
 
We are getting the flu and covid shots this Saturday.
 
DW and I get flu shots every Fall, and we’ve had 5 Moderna vaccines/boosters since they became available. We’ll go in and get both again soon, just waiting for both to be updated (I think they may be now). I had Covid once, and DW got it from me a week later, felt like a bad cold. We’ll continue to keep up to date to reduce chances of contracting Covid but more importantly to reduce the chances of long Covid.
 
Midpack said:
DW and I get flu shots every Fall, and we’ve had 5 Moderna vaccines/boosters since they became available. We’ll go in and get both again soon, just waiting for both to be updated (I think they may be now). I had Covid once, and DW got it from me a week later, felt like a bad cold. We’ll continue to keep up to date to reduce chances of contracting Covid but more importantly to reduce the chances of long Covid.
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Yes, I believe what is currently available is updated per the OP.

We don’t have get togethers scheduled until November so we’ll probably wait closer to Nov.
 
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