Doing My Own Taxes?

This friend received a "You owe us $ for your 2023 tax return" letter from the IRS a couple of weeks ago. The CPA firm had not included her husband's pension income in the tax return, about $39,000, because my friend hadn't included the form in the documents she submitted to the CPA. He started his pension in the prior tax year but the CPA firm didn't bother to ask if something was missing, i e his 1099 for his pension which was on the prior year's return. My friend doesn't pay attention to any of that stuff (why she hired a CPA firm) and just put the return away when the CPA sent it to her after filing it. I think the CPA firm failed to due their due diligence and owes her the tax preparation fee back. The penalties and interest were about $1,200 and the CPA firm probably charged between $7-$800 for the tax return prep. Even I knew to ping her this year for his 1099-R because of what I saw on the prior year return (since I'm doing her taxes now).
I always do our taxes by hand (well with Free Fillable Forms) and have always wondered how common this must be. In the old days, I assume folks just collected all the US mail forms in Jan/Feb and dumped them onto the CPA's desk. Now days, I have to go out and collect almost all our forms from various websites. (I must admit that it's a maze to get to my pension 1099s on NetBenefits and I probably need to make better notes for DW in case I go first.)

I suspect that millions of people each year forget to collect everything online. when they take their stuff in to their CPA. How much is missed in the end after the CPA reviews last years forms is unclear, but I suspect lots of cases are missed, due to new sources of income each year.
 
I always do our taxes by hand (well with Free Fillable Forms) and have always wondered how common this must be. In the old days, I assume folks just collected all the US mail forms in Jan/Feb and dumped them onto the CPA's desk. Now days, I have to go out and collect almost all our forms from various websites. (I must admit that it's a maze to get to my pension 1099s on NetBenefits and I probably need to make better notes for DW in case I go first.)

I suspect that millions of people each year forget to collect everything online. when they take their stuff in to their CPA. How much is missed in the end after the CPA reviews last years forms is unclear, but I suspect lots of cases are missed, due to new sources of income each year.
The missed 1099-R was not from a new source of income.
 
I always do our taxes by hand (well with Free Fillable Forms) and have always wondered how common this must be. In the old days, I assume folks just collected all the US mail forms in Jan/Feb and dumped them onto the CPA's desk. Now days, I have to go out and collect almost all our forms from various websites. (I must admit that it's a maze to get to my pension 1099s on NetBenefits and I probably need to make better notes for DW in case I go first.)

Web based tax documents are pretty common now - providers trying to cut down on printing and postage I think. But I think most of the time you still have the option for paper mail.

I suspect that millions of people each year forget to collect everything online. when they take their stuff in to their CPA. How much is missed in the end after the CPA reviews last years forms is unclear, but I suspect lots of cases are missed, due to new sources of income each year.

Yup, taxpayers are sometimes just disorganized and don't know the tax laws so don't know what information they need to provide.

Personally I keep a "tax notes" document each year which reminds me of any tax-related stuff - IRA contributions, if I worked as a poll worker on an election and got paid for it, my HSA contributions, etc. It also has end of year tax planning notes, and "after filing" tax planning items, etc. I update it throughout the year as I come across any tax-related activity if I need to.

But I know my approach is uncommon.
 
I thought it was common for a CPA to provide a checklist, which includes all forms of income.
 
I thought it was common for a CPA to provide a checklist, which includes all forms of income.

A lot of them do.

How well the taxpayer follows the checklist, and whether the CPA cross checks the supplied data against the previous year's return, or the papers provided against the check list, are all variable.

With professional CPAs, the tradeoff is time versus quality. At Tax Aide we're all volunteer, so we have a second tax preparer double check everything on the return and with the client. We probably have an 80% to 90% accuracy rate initially, and it goes up to about 98% because of the second review. But that doubles the amount of tax preparer time *and* the client's time. Since it's free most clients don't mind the extra time, but some do.

Does the CPA have a second CPA review the return? Probably not, because it's just too costly and nobody would pay them that much. I think the most common approach is to have some one with some tax skill but less experience do the data entry and the commonsense stuff, then the CPA goes over what has been entered by the data entry person. The CPA can also handle anything weird or advanced or anything the data entry person can't figure out.

Most customers want a reasonable upfront price and probably expect perfect and thorough preparation but most wouldn't be willing to pay what it would take to ensure that up front.

As a practical matter, the CPA probably has errors and omissions insurance (or self insures for it), and it's cheaper to just pay the interest and penalties 2% of the time instead of investing twice the labor up front to reduce that error rate any further. (And not all of those 2% of taxpayers would insist on reimbursement, so it's even less than that.)

The only CPAs I trust with my weird tax questions were charging $250 an hour for their time and expertise. That was several years ago and I live in a medium cost of living city.
 
This friend received a "You owe us $ for your 2023 tax return" letter from the IRS a couple of weeks ago. The CPA firm had not included her husband's pension income in the tax return, about $39,000, because my friend hadn't included the form in the documents she submitted to the CPA. He started his pension in the prior tax year but the CPA firm didn't bother to ask if something was missing, i e his 1099 for his pension which was on the prior year's return. My friend doesn't pay attention to any of that stuff (why she hired a CPA firm) and just put the return away when the CPA sent it to her after filing it. I think the CPA firm failed to due their due diligence and owes her the tax preparation fee back. The penalties and interest were about $1,200 and the CPA firm probably charged between $7-$800 for the tax return prep. Even I knew to ping her this year for his 1099-R because of what I saw on the prior year return (since I'm doing her taxes now).
Being that it WAS listed on the previous year return:
1) Client pays the TAX due
2) CPA pays the PENALTY
3) The split the interest - reason - the client DID have the use of the money, but the IRS rate is (most likely) higher than client earned, so a split seems reasonable

IF it was a good client and I wanted to retain them, I would pay the penalty + interest + rebate part of the fee with my sincere apology.

Guy I first worked for THREW a b*tchy client OUT - I can STILL remember 45 years later him SCREAMING at her "I don't want your "GD" business!" <- he did NOT censor himself. This is the guy, as I fondly recall, who had one eye in the center of his forehead and beat us staff to motivate us. At least that is how I remember it. Or not.
 
CPA is NOT a designation I associate with tax prep. Tax prep is just a seasonal hustle for many CPAs. Unless they specialize in taxes or have an Enrolled Agent credential I’d be more comfortable with an AARP Tax Aide.
So many of these mistakes are easily detected by basic tax software it really makes me wonder what kind of expensive software these guys are using. The only time I used a CPA he did not understand that Treasuries are exempt from state tax. I challenged him, he corrected the return but made the exact same error the following year.
 
CPA is NOT a designation I associate with tax prep. Tax prep is just a seasonal hustle for many CPAs. Unless they specialize in taxes or have an Enrolled Agent credential I’d be more comfortable with an AARP Tax Aide.
I are one. And you are correct. The BASIS of the CPA designation is preparing Audited Financial Statements.
BUT, many, many CPAs ARE well versed in taxation. My Masters was in Income Taxation.

Your mention of an Enrolled Agent is spot on: THE basis of THEIR profession IS Income Tax, and many are well versed int it.

RE an AARP Tax Aide, the threshold for them is MUCH lower. No formal education required. They CAN do an adequate job IF the return is basic. They are NOT ALLOWED to prepare if the client had ANYTHING with depreciation for instance.


Just my nickel's worth. (used to be 2 cents, but with inflation.....)
 
I are one. And you are correct. The BASIS of the CPA designation is preparing Audited Financial Statements.
BUT, many, many CPAs ARE well versed in taxation. My Masters was in Income Taxation.

Your mention of an Enrolled Agent is spot on: THE basis of THEIR profession IS Income Tax, and many are well versed int it.

RE an AARP Tax Aide, the threshold for them is MUCH lower. No formal education required. They CAN do an adequate job IF the return is basic. They are NOT ALLOWED to prepare if the client had ANYTHING with depreciation for instance.


Just my nickel's worth. (used to be 2 cents, but with inflation.....)
Yes. When I was in danger of being laid off 12 years ago, I started studying for the EA. Things got a little better at work and I dropped it.

My nephew could be Original Wally. He has his CPA and a Masters in Tax. I would trust people with those credentials.
 
I would rather take out my own tonsils than do my own taxes.

I have had my friend, CPA, do my taxes for 41 years. That said, I know some people who are excellent tax preparers who do not have a CPA designation.

I have neither. I'll hire the best I can.
 
CPA is NOT a designation I associate with tax prep. Tax prep is just a seasonal hustle for many CPAs. Unless they specialize in taxes or have an Enrolled Agent credential I’d be more comfortable with an AARP Tax Aide.
So many of these mistakes are easily detected by basic tax software it really makes me wonder what kind of expensive software these guys are using. The only time I used a CPA he did not understand that Treasuries are exempt from state tax. I challenged him, he corrected the return but made the exact same error the following year.
I am a CPA and do not do my own taxes becuase they are very complicated.
 
I've always done my own. Early on, handwritten with pencil, but turbo tax has made it so much easier. I think if you do your own it helps to give a better understanding of tax laws in general.
 
What are your experiences with doing your own taxes?
I have always done my (and then our) taxes since I started earning income, going from forms to spreadsheets to software over the years. We really have not had anything more complex than I have been able to deal with, and I like math and reading tax laws (NERD!), so have never had an issue. Our federal return was audited once, due to "more than average" charitable contributions, but it was a simple manner of mailing in check copies and tax receipts for the IRS to validate, and there were no issues.
 
This friend received a "You owe us $ for your 2023 tax return" letter from the IRS a couple of weeks ago. The CPA firm had not included her husband's pension income in the tax return, about $39,000, because my friend hadn't included the form in the documents she submitted to the CPA. He started his pension in the prior tax year but the CPA firm didn't bother to ask if something was missing, i e his 1099 for his pension which was on the prior year's return. My friend doesn't pay attention to any of that stuff (why she hired a CPA firm) and just put the return away when the CPA sent it to her after filing it. I think the CPA firm failed to due their due diligence and owes her the tax preparation fee back. The penalties and interest were about $1,200 and the CPA firm probably charged between $7-$800 for the tax return prep. Even I knew to ping her this year for his 1099-R because of what I saw on the prior year return (since I'm doing her taxes now).
I just finished my taxes. The Block software presents the full list of 1099’s from my prior year return (also completed with Block) so I know to submit or delete each source. I had 7 1099R’s. Somewhat confusing but I had a decent guide. Two were Megacorp SRP program and Megacorp RSP program. A tax preparer can’t make sense of this. When you DIY you can tell when things make sense. This yesr I got $$$ by getting 100% of my stste tax pension exclusion. I doubt a tax preparer would recognize this tactic.
 
I actually did taxes for a living out of college... did my own by hand, but that was a long time ago and when things were easier...

I have used tax programs for many years... but even then I have found mistakes that they make and have to adjust to get what it should be... the big problem now is the calculation... I have not tried it on a form but this income is not taxed until you get here and then it triggers something else being taxes... and there is a maximum tax on this but not that...

I think it would be easier to go flat tax, but that would be a big adjustment to the economy as there are so many incentives in the tax code..
 
DH jokes that he knew I was a keeper when I did his taxes a few months after we met and he got a large refund. I have done our taxes for 40+ years now.
 
I have always done my own taxes, but then I have always had a deliberately simple financial life. And that has many benefits beyond taxation.
Yes it does. Wasn't deliberate to begin with. We only used some else for about 10 years while I was running my side shop at home. Already have our taxes about figured for this year already...
 
Just venting really, feel free to skip. DW is just tired about hearing about it....

I used turbotax this year, first time doing my own in a long time. It went fine but I missed one of my 1099's. I filled out an amendment but before filing it, paid for TT's advice and review function to make sure I didn't mess it up again. They recommended waiting for the first submission to process so the IRS didn't get confused.

Two days after talking to TT I got a letter (12c) from the IRS. Saying it thought something was missing and asking me to send in income information. I called the number explained what happened and they said to just send the info in. So I did. Everything requested along with a note explaining what was missed and a clearly marked unfiled copy of the amendment they could use as a good reference. A week later I get a message back from them saying "The case has been closed". No direction on next steps, nada. So I message back asking what they want me to do next. Their reply "we can't answer that call the 800 number."

I call the 800 number where they say "We can't tell you anything, it's still processing. Try waiting for a letter." Well it's been a couple weeks, today is tax day and I'm still not sure what they need me to do. I don't know if they made the correction there, need me to send in the amendment, file an extension. Arrgh its so annoying. I know this will eventually get resolved but I just want this done. So for now here i sit checking the mailbox every morning....

/vent off
 
bobbfrommn,
I would wait for more correspondence from the IRS.

I make it a habit to print out my completed return, review it that day and the next day, to review each line against the prior year return. I usually find at least one or two issues that need fixing. I also wait about 2-3 weeks after receiving the forms - it's not unusual to get a corrected form.
 
"Case is closed" means they accepted your paperwork and agree with your conclusion about what you owe, so the next step is to pay that amount. Go to irs.gov and click on Pay.

If the additional 1099 had more withholding and that results in a refund, then you don't need to do anything else. They'll eventually send you a letter asking for your bank info so they can send it electronically. It may take a few more months.

BTW, TTax's instructions were correct. You're supposed to wait for your initial return to be processed or for a letter from the IRS before filing an amended return. You got the letter and responded.
 
bobbfrommn,
I would wait for more correspondence from the IRS.

I make it a habit to print out my completed return, review it that day and the next day, to review each line against the prior year return. I usually find at least one or two issues that need fixing. I also wait about 2-3 weeks after receiving the forms - it's not unusual to get a corrected form.
Good suggestion. I would have caught it if I had done this. I'll do this next year. Thanks!
 
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