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I'd be wary of many of these EV startups.

Several have gone under. Where do you get parts?

Even Rivian is kind of dicey, though they started putting out their R2 models but the lease offers are ridiculous.
 
explanade said:
I'd be wary of many of these EV startups.

Several have gone under. Where do you get parts?

Even Rivian is kind of dicey, though they started putting out their R2 models but the lease offers are ridiculous.
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I am wary and going slow. I'm still interested. But I have to assess my risk tolerance as to whether I want to be an early adopter.

I think Slate was dealt a huge blow by the removal of incentives. When they first announced, they trumpeted the "under $20k" price after incentives. That isn't happening, and a lot of people are very angry at Slate.
 
JoeWras said:
I am wary and going slow. I'm still interested. But I have to assess my risk tolerance as to whether I want to be an early adopter.

I think Slate was dealt a huge blow by the removal of incentives. When they first announced, they trumpeted the "under $20k" price after incentives. That isn't happening, and a lot of people are very angry at Slate.
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Why would they be angry at Slate over the removal of gov't incentives?

Flieger
 
JoeWras said:
I am wary and going slow. I'm still interested. But I have to assess my risk tolerance as to whether I want to be an early adopter.

I think Slate was dealt a huge blow by the removal of incentives. When they first announced, they trumpeted the "under $20k" price after incentives. That isn't happening, and a lot of people are very angry at Slate.
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I know a number of people that were very interested in Slate.
None of them are angry at Slate, while they may be disappointed in the increase in price.
 
Flieger said:
Why would they be angry at Slate over the removal of gov't incentives?

Flieger
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Because they are on social media, and the social media hive mind is stupid.

I intentionally used that language, because I'm telling you what they are saying. These comments mostly fall on reddit and tiktok. Two places where the users also think you shouldn't have to work and just sit in your basement eating ding dongs and red bull while you yell at the world for all the wrong having been done to them. Of course, they are also rage baiting. Welcome to the new world.

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JoeWras said:
Because they are on social media, and the social media hive mind is stupid.

I intentionally used that language, because I'm telling you what they are saying. These comments mostly fall on reddit and tiktok. Two places where the users also think you shouldn't have to work and just sit in your basement eating ding dongs and red bull while you yell at the world for all the wrong having been done to them.
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Ok. Thanks for the clarification.

Flieger
 
Texas Proud said:
Well, hope people do have Polestar...

Exiting the US market because they use Chinese software..

www.motortrend.com

Polestar Will Exit the U.S. Market in 2027

Chinese ownership dooms Swedish performance EV maker.
www.motortrend.com www.motortrend.com
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I never looked too closely at the brand because their prices were on the higher end.

I can't imagine their sales were that great to begin with.
 
Texas Proud said:
Well, hope people do have Polestar...

Exiting the US market because they use Chinese software..

www.motortrend.com

Polestar Will Exit the U.S. Market in 2027

Chinese ownership dooms Swedish performance EV maker.
www.motortrend.com www.motortrend.com
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A) They weren’t kicked out solely because of the software.
B) It isn’t an issue for those that own a Polestar, it is a problem for those that want to buy one after Polestar runs out of inventory.

Volvo uses the same software in some models. They also have the same majority owner, Geely.
Volvo got an exception, Polestar did not.
 
It might be a problem if the used car price drops a lot...
 
explanade said:
I'd be wary of many of these EV startups.

Several have gone under. Where do you get parts?

Even Rivian is kind of dicey, though they started putting out their R2 models but the lease offers are ridiculous.
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+1. That's why I didn't buy a Model Y until Fall 2023 when Tesla had several years of profitability behind them. That plus AI4 and a huge price decrease in early 2023.

Rivian and Lucid are reportedly building good EVs now, but I wouldn't risk owning a car from a carmaker who could still go bankrupt. YMMV

I'm still most intrigued by the "Neue Klasse" BMW iX3. Will depend on how specs and pricing shake out versus what's been reported so far. Presumably BMW isn't going to go bankrupt...
 
Midpack said:
+1. That's why I didn't buy a Model Y until Fall 2023 when Tesla had several years of profitability behind them. That plus AI4 and a huge price decrease in early 2023.

Rivian and Lucid are reportedly building good EVs now, but I wouldn't risk owning a car from a carmaker who could still go bankrupt. YMMV

I'm still most intrigued by the "Neue Klasse" BMW iX3. Will depend on how specs and pricing shake out versus what's been reported so far. Presumably BMW isn't going to go bankrupt...
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I've bought 3 BMW's in my life (ICE). Each new. Nothing but repair after repair after....

Never again for me.
 
Mr. Tightwad said:
I've bought 3 BMW's in my life (ICE). Each new. Nothing but repair after repair after....

Never again for me.
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Good point. We had a BMW 3 series that was very reliable, but that was 20 years ago and their cars may have changed. We had an Audi TT and a Volvo 850GLT, both reasonably reliable but repairs were ridiculously expensive when they did occur - compared to Japanese, Korean or American cars we've owned.
 
Well that was the story about BMW's lease them or sell them before they're out of warranty because service is so expensive.

True of all German cars except maybe VW.

EVs have a lot less mechanical content, for instance no transmission to replace or do major repairs.

But that's the thing about startup EV companies vs. traditional auto manufacturers making EVs. The latter still are tied to the dealer system and deals depend on service, expensive service, to survive.

Would be interesting to see what kind of service record and average repair costs BMW EVs have had.

But they sell EVs on the higher side price-wise so maybe those buyers are less sensitive to paying a lot for maintenance and repair.
 
RetiredHappy said:
You and me both! 3 BMWs nothing but repair after repair....
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I had an E36 M3. It was middle of the road, reliability-wise. No grievous or incessant problems, but definitely a thing here and there, to which to attend. Then again, I also had problems with a Camry. So perhaps the fault is more in the man, than in the machine.
 
Diogenes said:
I had an E36 M3. It was middle of the road, reliability-wise. No grievous or incessant problems, but definitely a thing here and there, to which to attend. Then again, I also had problems with a Camry. So perhaps the fault is more in the man, than in the machine.
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What about a BMW that needed to be towed 3 times within a month, because of serious "engine fault", and in that month, that car went into the workshop 4 times, and I saw and drove it for only 5 days, including the engine fault light came on after I left the workshop and before I reached home? The last time BMW service said the car was fixed, I drove it straight to CarMax and ditched it there, before some other problem came on again. Before we picked up that car from the dealer for the last time, we decided to buy a different brand car. We stumbled upon a Subaru and bought it. We had owned 4 Subarus and every single one of them was very reliable and had zero problems. We change out our cars every 3 to 5 years, and buy them all new. Right now we have the Cadillac Lyriq, and reliability is also an issue. Next car will be a Tesla.
 
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What about a BMW that needed to be towed 3 times within a month, because of serious "engine fault", and in that month, that car went into the workshop 4 times, and I saw and drove it for only 5 days, including the engine fault light came on after I left the workshop and before I reached home. The last time BMW service said the car was fixed, I drove it straight to CarMax and ditched it there, before some other problem came on again. Before we picked up that car from the dealer for the last time, we decided to buy a different brand car. We stumbled upon a Subaru and bought it. We had owned 4 Subarus and every single one of them was very reliable and had zero problems. We change out our cars every 3 to 5 years, and buy them all new. Right now we have the Cadillac Lyriq, and reliability is also an issue. Next car will be a Tesla.
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I would have Lemon Lawed it (if it happened soon enough to do so).
Lemons happen with all brands. The question is at what rate.
Of course, if I get a lemon from any brand I am unlikely to go back.
 
As long as you define 'lemon' as being bad in the mind of the owner and not the legal term requiring them to buy it back...

I have decided not to go back to either Ford or GM from past ownership... too many breakdowns and problems that were spaced out far enough or way after the warranty ran out...

No experience but I have read enough to put the German cars there also.. but I did buy an Audi EV hoping that it is the ICE engine that causes the most trouble... my DS has an Audi ICE and has had few problems with it.. will wait and see what happens... so far not looking great as I now have a 2nd recall for software problems... 1st was an HVAC problem...
 
We had to bring in our Cadillac Lyriq (EV) 7 times within the first year of our ownership. My husband wanted to invoke the lemon law, and the local dealership asked us to contact GM directly. We didn't. But it has gotten better. The last time that it was in for a problem was in December 2025. We almost had to bring it back this week. It did resolve after a reboot, i.e. turned off the car and turned it back on, it seemed to have reset whatever (in IT terms, we call it a "memory leak").

I don't think we will buy another Cadillac, and this will be our first and only.
 
Saw an article headline, EV sales way down, hybrid sales way up.
 
Just when I'm getting interested in EVs, the sands shift.

Aside from range anxiety, I was not interested in tiny Leafs, nor was I interested in very expensive Teslas and other brands. Once the more affordable Tesla 3 came out, I wasn't interested in that form factor.

Slate fits a sweet spot for me. I'm really not sure if I'll pre-order, but I'm tilting to it with the knowledge I might have to lose my $300 if I don't finally order. I will get to see how the roll-out goes with the early delivery windows. I won't be slotted in an early window, so I'll have some time to see how the first 5 or 6 months of early adopters go. (They are notifying people of deliveries a quarter year in length. So far they've offered Q1, Q2 and a few to Q3. My window is still TBD.)

Yeah, even then it is a risk for longevity of the corporation. Life is a risk. I'll have to calculate that risk later based on where we are 1 year from now. I do like the fact it is American designed and built, although they are upping the foreign part content (batteries) now that the incentives are gone. I see a lot of people complaining about jobs in America and then they retreat to their phone and order a bunch of garbage from Temu. I'll stop.
 
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Wow... interesting thing happened... was going to do an experiment to see how much I pay to go 100 miles... so plug it in (lvl 1) and it is 36 hours to charge 60%... well, get there this morning and the charge is at 87%!!

I have it set to charge to 80%. Do not know what happened.. I can do some math to calculate but hey!!
 
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